why is jane fonda so controversial again?

maybe it's just me, but hadn't most people moved on.

my mom bought her fitness tapes and everyone loved 9 to 5 back in the 80s. i was just a kid, but jane fonda was just a 40-something actress as far as i remember.

was she treated like ward churchill everytime she went on tv back then and i just didn't realize it?

i thought most people had moved on and she was considered pretty harmless.

so why the big deal all of the sudden? it's not like she's coming out and claiming to have had an affair with ho chi minh's corpse for years.

or is this all being dug up again because of swift boat liars and the rightwing =media?

in the same way the Swift Boat Liars do.

Why so determined about Jane?

B-)

I'd think about beating ya down for it if I had walked in your socks. But since I didn't, I won't. I'm not in the mood right now for getting my head stomped, anyway. ;)

Thanks, bro.

B-)

I thought that was about walking in another's muddy combat boots... No, that's not it, but it's close. Trust me, I have valid reasons, my Friend. :-)

so now is the time to "apologize" for her visit to North Vietnam during the height of the war. And yes, there are right wing retards who never got over the fact that the Vietnam War was as phony in purpose as the Iraq invasion is now. They have to have someone to blame their confusion on.

& don't play the syndrome card everytime the '70s are mentioned.


no offense intended, but if i posted a thread titled "jane fonda n/t"; you'd go off on a rant.

that war is over, & forgotten by most under 50 years old. we have a new 1 to consider.

IMO, jane's 1 claim to fame is pissing off people who want to believe they were doing the right thing. the "dominoe affect" was a lie, & the yellow hordes haven't descended upon us.

feel free to froth at the mouth everytime her name is mentioned, but i don't think any1 cares much.

.....and she's one of the Usual Suspects. The right never forgave her for her actions in Vietnam, plus she has a new book out.

-- my extended family so vehemently opposed Jane Fonda for her opposition to U.S. intervention in SE Asia that I thought one of them might actually try to do her in. These were slobbering, rabid pro-war type uncles and they did NOT care for Ms. Fonda's remarks on the subject of Vietnam.

But what teenager ever listens to old coot uncles? My friends and I went to hear her anyway at the University of Dayton. "Someone" (think local Nixon-era Rovian trickster) called in a bomb threat. The cops ordered everyone out of the building. Jane Fonda grabbed the mike from the cops and told everyone the "threat" was a hoax and asked them to remain, that it was just a trick to silence the anti-war voice in America.

We stayed. She and Tom Hayden were refreshing and insightful.

I think Jane Fonda, no matter what she says or on what topic, is despised by some because she is a talented, intelligent, activist female.

i.e. there's got to be a b*tch to place the blame for _________ (insert anything) around here somewhere.

-- this would be a perfect world!

______

Around the time Jane Fonda was most vocal against the Vietnam War, roughly 70% of U.S. adults told pollsters that they no longer supported the war effort.

It seems extraordinarily unfair to punish Jane Fonda for urging people to refuse to fight in a war 70% of resident Americans opposed.

She was right about the war, and she was right to use her celebrity to bring the issue into clear focus. Yes, she was over the top with some of her remarks at the time, and she has apologized for the excesses. She's been made into a scapegoat by the people who are NOT everything she is: female, successful, articulate and introspective. As a disabled army vet, it didn't take me long to figure out our real enemies were not in black pj's but grey suits. And Jane Fonda had the guts and the means to tell lots of people about it. I'm so over her now, and I wish her well.

I am anything but a misogynist or Chauvinist. I am radically opposed to war, the draft and Stop Loss and I still disapprove of many of Jane Fonda's actions in the past.

and I think all but the most crazy or crazy right-wingers have gotten over her Vietnam activities.

the heat is off the men who DO stupid things every minute of the day.

remember hilary and "cookie baking" gate?

ssdd.

Charlie Rose tonight. I like her, but some of what she says is B.S.

She did great on Big Eddy a few days ago! :bounce:

clearly explain all the "issues" the Right has so maligned her about all these years.

She was on CBS last Sunday evening (Leslie Stahl interview). This Sunday, will be Part II.

She was also on Al Franken. That interview was short. Not one of Al's best.

Her book is climbing the charts real quick. Sounds like it'll be #1 before the week is out.

She still refuses to forgive Jane Fonda even with the recent apology Jan e Fonda was reported to have given. She said that Jane Fonda said American troops SHOULD have been killed back then.

I, for one, can at least give the woman some forgiveness. It's been forever and a day since it happened and she has asked for forgiveness since then. I'm mixed on what I should think about what she did to begin with because I am still not sure what has been made up by repugs and what really happened.

I think she was a pretty f'ed up kid and was acting out some crazy crap agains Gawd knows who. She could have fessed up much earlier and saved a lot of heart ache.

I am ambivalent about Jane Fonda, but my military brat husband and his family (FIL served 2 tours in Nam) are very opinionated about her. The time to apologize IMO was 30 years ago. The time to get her facts straight was 30 years ago. This gesture is seen as way to little and far too late.

like I said, I can take her or leave her, but I know she hurt a lot of feelings during the Vietnam War. I do think it is dirty pool dissing on people who really have no autonomy or choice in matters such as a war - Anyone in the military, whether they were drafted, or volunteered, are at the mercy of those higher in rank, and must follow orders or face court martial.

I do so appreciate the current mindset of most people who support the troops and condemn the jerks who put them into a needless war.

She was and is responsible for everything she did to hurt us.

She's going to be in some comedy about mother-in-laws. Part of it may be people who can't let go regarding Vietnam. Another part of it is that controversy actually makes good publicity, and she may be emphasizing this herself.

It's just that she was forgotten because she took herself out of the public eye. Every time she has reemerged, it's provoked controversy. I can remember seeing "Boycott Jane Fonda American Traitor Bitch" bumperstickers when I was growing up. Some will mock the sentiment, but it's grounded in a legitimate grievance. I imagine it would have been the same for Ezra Pound had he been at the height of his career at a later time.

.. because she is like everyone else - part good and part stupid.

That photo stunt and the comments she made were pretty bad, what if she'd said "the political and military leaders who put us in this situation should be shot" - would that be better?

Let's face it - when people have visceral, blinding hatred of someone over something like that, its not really about what she did/said at all, she's just a convenient place to put the rage that many of us still feel over the whole fucking sorry stupid mess called the Vietnam war.

Want to hate someone? Try Robert MacNamara, the admitted liar who facilited this war for years and years. Or LBJ who knew it was all a sham but went along to get along. How people can hate a non-player like Fonda but not the idiots who actually DID THIS is beyond me.

was the Vietnam War itself, and MacNamara, and Johnson.

Jane's trip to North Vietnam didn't bother me at the time, but then I was very strongly opposed to this war, and haven't changed my opinion in the last 30 years, either.

I never saw Fonda as the spokesperson for the left at the time, I saw her as a sincere, if slightly dippy actress. I think some vets focus on Fonda to find someone to blame for their unhappiness over their wartime experiences. They need to resolve these feelings in a more appropriate way if they are still this bitter after all these years. Many protestors in the US were saying things as strong or stronger than Fonda did at the time.

Remember the SDS??? The Weathermen?

She was never a major player in the protests, or on the left. Her husband was more important, for one.

She looks great. I saw part of the 60 Minutes interview.

She was wrong to go to North Vietnam and be a patsy for the communists, but she was young, idealistic and it was a very long time ago. A lot of people did some really stupid things during that time.

She didn't get anyone killed. What would have been different if she had not been there?

BTW, I thought that some of what she did might have been inappropriate. But that, "She should have protested here, not over there," stuff ultimately only made a difference in some people's minds. It deflected the blame for the lies of the war.

--IMM