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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:38 AM
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Man And His Sister Charged With Felony Incest
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 11:38 AM by matcom
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A brother and sister have been charged with felony incest after Jefferson County deputies found them having sex earlier this month in Trafford, officials said.

Ronald Stewart Howze, 44, of Trafford and Lori Ann Rotton, 41, of Smyrna, Ga., remain jailed, with bond set at $50,000 each. Rotton makes her first court appearance in the case Thursday. Howze appeared in court last week to get a lawyer and returns in May for a preliminary hearing, records show. If convicted, they face up to 10 years in prison.

Authorities said Howze's wife telephoned deputies and, when they arrived, pointed them to a home in the 2300 block of Gurley Road on April 7 just after midnight. A deputy saw the siblings having intercourse in the wife's bedroom.

The deputy asked Howze to stop, get dressed and step outside, said Sgt. Randy Christian, spokesman for the sheriff's office. The deputy opened the door after a minute and saw they had not stopped, Christian said.

"At that point (Howze) stopped and stated, `I guess I'm going to jail,'" Christian said.

The siblings told authorities they knew they were related and confirmed that they were having sex, Christian said, reading from the incident report. Both had been drinking.

Howze was arrested and Rotton, who appeared to be highly intoxicated, was taken to a hospital and treated for excessive alcohol, Christian said, citing the report. She was charged later.

Howze said in his statement that a doctor had given him a "death warrant."

"He had been told he had cancer and planned to go out crazy," Christian said.

Both denied having sex with each other before that night, and Rotton said she had not been raped, Christian said.

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/111401010148380.xml
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:39 AM
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1. Georgia huh?
:evilgrin:
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chickenscratching Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:41 AM
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2. love works in mysterious ways
good for them for finding it in strange places!
:hide:
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:41 AM
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3. I wonder why they are in jail
sure, it is repellant what they did, but do they deserve to go to jail. certainly their eternal shame should be punishment enough.

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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 03:18 PM
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49. That was my thought too
If it's a crime to be stupid, * would have been in the slammer at birth.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:42 AM
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4. I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:43 AM
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6. It really was truly fucking repellant
notice the sister's name is Rotten
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:45 AM
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9. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:59 AM
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27. They're in their 40s.
Unless they're somehow "vulnerable adults" who can't legally give informed consent, I couldn't give a fat rat's a$$ who they're screwin'.
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:24 PM
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34. I just sprayed water on my screen
That reminds me of "Dodgeball"
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:43 AM
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5. Rotton
Geez - that name seems appropriate to this whole affair.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:43 AM
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7. is this why gay marriage has to be stopped?
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:48 AM
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Yes. This is the fault of the liberal activist judges.
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:44 AM
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8. Possible 10 years in prison for incest
but here in SC multiple counts of domestic violence are still only considered misdemeanors and maybe 60 days in jail but usually just monetary damage. How sentences are awarded or thought up I have no idea.
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:48 AM
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14. you nailed it
this is one fucked up society. having consensual sex (ok, sick and wrong consensual sex) is MUCH worse than domestic violence. and in many cases, drug possession carries a stiffer fine than killing someone with your car when you're drunk.

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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:51 AM
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20. some states have very, very weird priorities
I honestly do not think these people should go to jail. They should have their pictures posted up and ridiculed, but not jailed.

This is so very, very disgusting that I am at a loss for words.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:45 PM
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36. It boggles the mind.
Rapists & child molesters get less time than drug offenders and people like this.

:banghead:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:49 PM
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38. Strange
:shrug: I read at the end of the article they said the guy had cancer and knew he was going to die and planned on going out crazy. So I guess he did. That's kind of gross to think about but :shrug: . Not my life. They weren't harming anybody. Just having an affair with his own sister. Ew. I don't know why they put them in jail. He wasn't raping her or anything like that. It's gross to think about because it's incest but whatever suits your fancy.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:45 AM
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10. Great....just great
if they listened carefully in the distance they could just make out the soft strains of banjos dueling with one another.

On second thought, I may have to come to Boston for the gathering and just never leave.

I'm officially applying for asylum.
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:46 AM
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11. that's just sad.
:(
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:47 AM
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12. I was going to comment...
but I can't... I just can't....

:puke: :puke:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:48 AM
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13. So this is sick, yes, but 10 effin' years in prison? That's sicker.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:49 AM
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15. I know what you mean
the stigma of having been caught doing this is punishment enough

excuse me...:puke:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:03 PM
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29. No shit!
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:49 AM
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16. I know what you mean
the stigma of having been caught doing this is punishment enough

excuse me...:puke:
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:50 AM
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18. Yeah, I'm torn on this one.
On the one hand, it IS illegal, and disgusting, and I'm sure it is illegal for a reason. But on the other hand, they appear to be consenting adults.... 10 years semms harsh. Fines? Probation? 6 months in jail maybe? 10 years is a little ridiculous.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:53 AM
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22. the ridicule alone should be punishment enough
neither of these people are going to have many dates in the future, after their family disowns them and their spouses divorce them.

They will NEVER live it down. Putting people in jail will not prevent this crime. The only prevention is the natural disgust most of us will feel.
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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:22 PM
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58. got THAT right!
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 09:24 PM by ovidsen
Their spouses will divorce them; their families will cut off all contact; they'll have to move, living in fear for the rest of their lives that someone will find out.

Putting them on trial seems like a waste of time and money. So would prison. Fining them would be petty and pointless.

This does stretch the limit of adult consensual sex, but....

(corrected punctuation)
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:08 PM
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31. Ten years is asinine. Hokay, so they're related...
We don't even know if they were raised together. This is disgusting to the max, but they are consenting adults, and who did they hurt besides themselves and our gag reflexes?
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 08:24 PM
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68. I think the reason it's illegal is...
because of the risk of birth defects should the union produce children. 'Probably not likely in this case.

It's repulsive, but with jail overcrowding is locking these people up a good use of money and resources? Perhaps the judge should just order them NOT to capitalize on it with an appearance on the Jerry Springer show!
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:49 AM
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17. I'm just surprised
this wasn't another story from Florida.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:51 AM
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19. I was thinking that surely they have to be from Alabama
Y'all know I'm just ribbin' ya :P
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:51 AM
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21. the sisters defense will be she was so drunk she didn't know
what she was doing.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:53 PM
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40. In the article
it said that they knew what they were doing even though they were drunk.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:55 AM
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23. I am stumped for words here. Almost.
He's dying. They are in their 40's. It was consensual (whatever that word is that they both wanted to). It's a felony? Ah, upon reading the story:
"Authorities said Howze's wife telephoned deputies and, when they arrived, pointed them to a home in the 2300 block of Gurley Road on April 7 just after midnight. A deputy saw the siblings having intercourse in the wife's bedroom.

The deputy asked Howze to stop, get dressed and step outside, said Sgt. Randy Christian, spokesman for the sheriff's office. The deputy opened the door after a minute and saw they had not stopped, Christian said."

Well, THAT explains it.
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 03:26 PM
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50. I'm wondering how the wife even got the police to come out there
Police: "BlahBlah County Sheriff's Dept., is this an emergency?"

Wife: "YES! My husband is having sex with his sister!!!"

Police: "Right now?"

Wife: "Yes!! in OUR bed... you've GOT to do something!!!!"

Police: "<giggle>uh, ok...I'm not sure I understand. Is the sister a minor?"

Wife: "No... they're both in their forties!"

Police: "<stifled laughter> Yes ma'am we'll send someone right out..."

<click>
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:56 PM
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54. Maybe the wife and the sheriff were hoping for a tryst
and found the husband and the sister already drunk in bed?
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:55 AM
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24. Everyone's invited to the Rotton-Howze party for drinks and shootin
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The Great Escape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:55 AM
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25. Isn't Smyrna In Cobb County?
the family values poster child for the Atlanta Metro.
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:55 PM
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42. Yep.
Incest is just creationist reproduction. Can't evolve if you share the same genes.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:58 AM
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26. We need pictures
I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to see what this loving couple look like!
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:11 PM
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32. Yeah, links like this and no pictures!
Why do they hate America?
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:49 PM
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37. here ya go
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 12:50 PM by there-s a
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:53 PM
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39. ack!
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 12:58 PM by Zuni
:scared:

she is awful
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 01:26 PM
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43. The link had "trailer" in the headline
That thar's funny right thar,I don't care who ya are.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 02:14 PM
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45. you can't beat that
no siree
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:48 PM
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62. No she is Rotten.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:01 PM
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28. If convicted they will be the second siblings to be convicted of incest.
The first pair had several kids together, I believe.

Drive By Truckers wrote a song about it.

THE DEEPER IN
By the time you were born there were four other siblings
with your Mama awaiting your Daddy in jail
Your oldest brother was away at a home
and You didn’t meet him til you was nineteen years old
Old enough to know better, old enough to know better
but you took to his jaw line and long sandy hair
How he made you feel like none off the others
and the way he looked at you touched you deep down in there.

So you jumped on his bike and rode into the sunset
but the sequel it started with the next morning sun
and the dew on the bike seat and you all a glow
from the love he put in you and a life on the run.

Now, the District Attorney said He might of forgiven
You had lots of reasons to turn out this way
But He’ll throw you in jail for them four little babies
you made and delivered along the way

Last night you had a dream about a Lord so forgiving
He might show compassion for a heathen he damned
You awoke in a jail cell, alone and so lonely
Seven years in Michigan

Spring 1998 - Athens GA.
{Inspired by a magazine article about the only two people currently serving time in America for consensual brother / sister incest.}
Lyrics by Patterson Hood / Music by Drive-By Truckers
©2003 Soul Dump Music (BMI)
Pedal Steel: John Neff

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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:03 PM
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30. "officials have no indication Howze or Rotton are mentally ill."
I would assume they mean no other indications, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT HE WAS BONING HIS SISTER.
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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:19 PM
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33. Interesting this came up on a day
we've been discussing Julia Roberts, because she's also from Smyrna. Ya think she and Eric ever - eh, never mind.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:34 PM
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35. And yet gay marriage somehow is the biggest threat to heteros today...
:eyes:
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 12:54 PM
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41. Geez, I live in Smyrna, GA
Got to love those red state values.

:eyes:
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 01:43 PM
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44. I'm holding out hope that they're from AL
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 02:01 PM by RubyDuby in GA
eeeeewwwww........
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 02:23 PM
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46. Sorry, Ruby,it's Georgia....
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 03:27 PM
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51. Isn't Julia Roberts from Smyrna?
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 03:47 PM
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53. Yes she is
An older friend of mine has a daughter who attended high school with Julia. I think her daughter was a couple of years younger but took some AP English courses with her. My friend said that her daughter came home with wild stories about the essays Julia would write for class, and said that she seemed to be a very dramatic girl.
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 08:48 PM
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69. I think it's just your turn.
Usually these thing turn out to be in Michigan for some reason. No offence, but I'm kind of glad that, for once, it wasn't.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 02:37 PM
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47. I was surprised for a second but then I saw it's Georgia... n/t
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 03:16 PM
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48. I would dearly love to see the back end of their cars .... (WARNING)



Talk about your family values.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 03:37 PM
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52. That reminds me of the X-files.
Remember the Peacock family??





Ewww.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:44 PM
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61. I remember this show. Very disturbing!
I heard that it wasn't shown in some areas because it was so disturbing. Creeped me out!
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:00 PM
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55. Proving the old adage
"if ya can't keep it in your pants, keep it in the family."
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:29 PM
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64. "Relatively" speaking, of course...
:evilgrin:
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:03 PM
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56. Geez, they were keeping it in the family...
What's the harm?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:07 PM
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57. Will they share a jail cell? Also, there's a famous movie depicting incest
called 'Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back'. Nobody seemed to mind when Leia tongued Luke!

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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:31 PM
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59. sorry, i just don't think
folks should be jailed for incest.

to each his own.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:32 PM
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60. "The deputy opened the door after a minute and saw they had not stopped"
Man, they were still goin after it even after the cop told them to stop.

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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:49 PM
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63. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, UNCLE DAD!!!

nt
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 08:30 AM
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65. Yikes
Whose business is this of anyone's, let alone a jail sentence?!?! I wish I could send people to jail for stuff they do that I consider "icky." Where to begin....
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 08:41 AM
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66. How is it the police keep accidentally finding people having sex?
That's what I want to know.
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 08:52 AM
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67. There goes two more republican votes...
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 09:12 PM
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72. They didn't find them accidently.
The brother's wife called the police on her husband having sex with his sister.
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 08:51 PM
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70. Howd you like to go thru life living down the name randy christian,
or maybe I'm just not taking this seriously enough.:P
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 08:39 PM
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71. kick
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