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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:04 PM
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Poll question: Roger Waters or David Gilmour
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:07 PM
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1. Two Pink Floyd recounts,
both from my parents.

I remember having a babysitter while they went to see "The Wall" tour, and the great stories about it.

I also remember a "Gilmore" tour, and how boring it was, I remember especially the part when the band went offstate for a tea break. Fuck that.

Waters, even if he is a right-wing bastard.
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:12 PM
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2. waters is a right wing bastard?
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:15 PM
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5. Yep
If you're right-wing, you're a bastard. He might not be a bastard, he might be a nice guy, but he's a bastard by association. Oh, and his views on taxes and fox hunting.
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:15 PM
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7. link?
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:17 PM
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9. don't care enough to dig it up
so, no link. take my word for it or not.
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:20 PM
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11. well, I have, and you are wrong:
"I think this election is singularly the most important political event since the end of the second world war. I don't think one can overstress that point. This is a real watershed, you know, where the American voter gets to decide which road to take. There is a serious fork in the road here. Often American politics is a bit confused but I think the choice between the Republicans and the Democrats, between Bush and Kerry, at this point is a fundamental one that needs seriously addressing.
"Everybody vote for Kerry on November the 2nd! We gotta' get this madman out of the White House! You know, I'm happy to talk about my work, but it all pales into such insignificant nothingness by comparison with what's going on during this election. I feel that so powerfully.

"I think Kerry will make all kinds of correct decisions about how to deal with the problem of terrorism around the world and I think the incumbent President is making all the wrong decisions about it. That's my view. I think that George Bush makes a great show of strength but is actually weakness.

"That's my view and I hope desperately that everybody goes out and gets motivated and votes for Kerry in this Presidential election because my belief is that America has an opportunity to reclaim the high moral ground in it's standing in the world and the rest of the world needs leadership from this country. There is a humanity in the heart of the USA that was always admired greatly by the other countries in the world, and it's been diverted and the American people need to reclaim that essence of goodness, and I think John Kerry's a good man to make the first moves in that journey back towards America being the great country that it has been in the past and should be in the future.

"The Cheney-Bush philosophy can do nothing but widen the riffs between the peoples of the world, make America more unpopular, make America a less safe place to live in and generally provide us with retrograde moves. Absolutely the first thing is to get that team out of the White House and get a more reasoned less hysterical administration, and I pray for that."
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:26 PM
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13. here's the whole interview:
http://www.rogerwatersonline.com/press_q104point3.htm

BB: I am proud here on Q104.3 to welcome one of the founding members of PF and certainly a great solo artist in his own right, Mr. Roger Waters. Hello Roger.
Roger Waters: Hey
BB: I know you are no stranger to the NY area, you've been hangin' here and certainly doing some leisure time during the summers in places near and dear to us so that's great and you're still doing it?
Roger Waters: Yeah, I love it here.
BB: Yeah, well we love having you here. I know you've put two new creations on Roger dash Waters .com as of a couple of days ago for everybody to download and really think about.
Roger Waters: Yeah, like 15 months ago when the US and Great Britain together invaded Iraq, I wrote these two songs and made demos of them and, in this election year, it seemed crazy to leave them sitting on the shelves, so I kind of tarted them up a bit and thrown them out there for people to make what they will of them 'cause I feel very strongly about these issues.
BB: Yeah, you know, having just played The Wall, and having just hosted a PBS special on The Wall and specifically from a historical perspective, The Wall, AKA Berlin 1990, and your live staging there, I'm curious what walls need to be changed, you know, in 2004?
Roger Waters: Well the first thing to focus on in 2004 is this election. I think this election is singularly the most important political event since the end of the second world war. I don't thing one can overstress that point. This is a real watershed, you know, where the American voter gets to decide which road to take. There is a serious fork in the road here. Often American politics is a bit confused but I think the choice between the Republicans and the Democrats, between Bush and Kerry, at this point is a fundamental one that needs seriously addressing.
BB: And secondarily, you know, other places, other geography's, other specific walls, that perhaps need changing.
Roger Waters: Well, you know, I don't think you and I are gonna' solve the problems in Palestine during an hour here and now on Q104, wonderful as that would be. At the risk of sounding repetitious, I think that November the 2nd is THE starting point.
BB: OK, how 'bout we play one of the two new Roger Waters songs in just a moment.
Roger Waters: Sounds good to me.
BB: Alright, Roger Waters live on Q104.3.
COMMERCIAL BREAK
BB: This is NY's only classic rock station, Q104.3, I'm Bob Buchman, and our special guest is Roger Waters, co-founder of course of PF and a solo artist. And as the latter he has just created two new songs; Leaving Beirut and this one, To Kill The Child, in response to the invasion of Iraq. When did you do this? When did this hit you? When did you create these songs Roger?
Roger Waters: Well immediately after the US and Great Britain invaded Iraq, I was so disturbed by that kind of lack of concern for international law and also for the people on the ground. Clearly I disagreed with the invasion. I've always emphasized with the innocents who get caught-up in these conflicts around political and religious ideologies. And so this song I wrote is about both fundamental religious and political extremism and how much I disapprove of both those things and how spurious sometimes our motives are for political acts in general and military acts in particular. How what we blithely refer to as collateral damage very often is actually the killing of innocent children.
BB: And so To Kill The Child. Here it is. Q104.3.
(To Kill The Child is played on the air followed by Us And Them)
BB: It is NY's only classic rock station, Q104.3, of course that is PF on the Billboard charts of course with, you know, that unbelievable DSOTM album for more than 15 years and before that Roger Waters solo To Kill The Child. With Andy Fairweather on guitar what a tasty song that is and obviously lyrically there's a powerful message but musically that's a tasty song.
Roger Waters: Well, thank you.
BB: Everybody can go get that for themselves at Roger dash Waters.com and you 'oughta do that as we did. Phones are crazy here at 1-888-872-1043. Shall we jump on the line?
Roger Waters: Sure, why not?
BB: Hi Q104.3 you're on with Roger Waters.
CALLER: Roger, for years there's been video floating around of The Wall concert and with The Wall coming out on Broadway this year (obviously incorrect) I just want to know if there are any plans of releasing the original concert on DVD the way it should be?
Roger Waters: Yeah, that could happen. I've actually, strange you should ask that question. I've been looking at some of the material over the last couple of weeks it finally appeared out of the mists of time from a mixing and editing suite in Los Angeles and it doesn't look too bad. I think it's quite an interesting historical document so yeah I think it will definitely become available at some point quite soon.
CALLER: Well we're all looking forward to seeing it I hope it comes true.
BB: You know, what's your name?
CALLER: Mark
BB: From where Mark?
CALLER: Mark from Marlboro-NJ
BB: I'm glad you brought-up The Wall on Broadway.
Roger Waters: Actually I was approached by Harvey Weinstein and Tommy Mottola to, you know, to write a new version of The Wall for a Broadway show. So that's something I'm engaged in right at the moment.
BB: Great, and the timing of that, is that...
Roger Waters: Everybody to vote for Kerry on November the 2nd! We gotta' get this madman out of the White House! You know, I'm happy to talk about my work but it all pales into such insignificant nothingness by comparison with what's going on during this election. I feel that so powerfully.
BB: And if you'd like to hear how Roger expresses that musically you can go to Roger dash Waters.com and hear these two new songs. In fact Roger, how 'bout we play the second of them right now?
Roger Waters: OK, why not. Do you want a preamble on that?
BB: Please.
Roger Waters: It's a short story that I wrote about 20 years ago that describes a journey that I made from Beirut back to London. Well it describes the first night of me hitch hiking. I was taken in by an Arab couple who were extraordinarily hospitable and kind to me and I've thought of them often, since, in the intervening years with all the trouble that there's been in the Middle East in general and in The Lebanon specifically and it struck me that after we invaded Iraq that we are tending to demonize the Arab in a general way and I've met a lot of these people and I think it's really important that we try and except people as human beings not withstanding, you know, what their ethnical cultural background might be. So this is kind of what that songs about.
BB: OK, Leaving Beirut. Roger Waters. Q104.3
(Leaving Beirut is played on the air)
BB: It is NY's only classic rock station Q104.3 and that is Roger Waters Leaving Beirut. One of two new Roger Waters songs that you can get at Roger dash Waters.com and he is here in the flesh. Roger Waters in the Q104.3 studios. Roger, thank you for joining us, for presenting us with this new music and for all your thoughts.
Roger Waters: You're very welcome.
BB: It's always great to see you. Nice to know you're close by in the NY area a lot that you like it here. We have time for another one or two phone calls, shall we?
Roger Waters: Sure.
BB: Q104.3. Hello.
CALLER: Yeah, I was wondering if I can ask Mr Waters a question?
BB: You're on with him now.
CALLER: OK, great. Mr Waters, are you gonna' be performing in the Broadway show?
Roger Waters: NO!
CALLER: Why not?
Roger Waters: It's a part for somebody much younger and better looking than I.
CALLER: But you're just so brilliant, I love your music. You will not appear at all, if not there, are you planning a tour?
Roger Waters: Yeah, in '06 I think I'll be back in the States touring.
CALLER: Excellent. Thank you so much for all your work that you've done and as far as the political scene, it is a very important time in history. I just want your take on Kerry's, um, how he will do as far as the war and terrorism. Is he strong enough to combat what needs to be combated and ease-off where there should be less pressure?
Roger Waters: I think he will make all kinds of correct decisions about how to deal with the problem of terrorism around the world and I think the incumbent President is making all the wrong decisions about it. That's my view. I think that George Bush makes a great show of strength but is actually weakness. That's my view and I hope desperately that everybody goes out and gets motivated and votes for Kerry in this Presidential election because my belief is that America has an opportunity to reclaim the high moral ground in it's standing in the world and the rest of the world needs leadership from this country. There is a humanity in the heart of the USA that was always admired greatly by the other countries in the world and it's been diverted and the American people need to reclaim that essence of goodness and I think John Kerry's a good man to make the first moves in that journey back towards America being the great country that it has been in the past and should be in the future.
CALLER: Yes, and one other question. Are you living in the States right now?
Roger Waters: I am.
CALLER: OK, and one last thing. I think we need to make them accept us more and us accept them more and make them not want to hurt us.
Roger Waters: You're so right my friend. You're so right. That's why, you know, the Cheney philosophy, Cheney-Bush philosophy can do nothing but widen the riffs between the peoples of the world, make America more unpopular, make America a less safe place to live in and generally provide us with retrograde moves. Absolutely the first thing is to get that team out of the White House and get a more reasoned less hysterical administration and I pray for that.
CALLER: OK, thank you so much for your time and your point of view.
Roger Waters: Hey, thank you!
BB: You have a good day. Some good questions. Thank you.
CALLER: Thank you. Bye.
BB: Roger Waters. Very nice of you to share some time with us and keep making the music. We look forward to what's coming to Broadway. We look forward to continuing to check-out Roger dash Waters.com and we continue to wait for '06 when, you know, you'll be on the road with a whole bunch of material on the stage.
Roger Waters: Well, yeah, thank you for having me today and I look forward to that. And thank you to THAT guy as well for asking those questions 'cause that's fundamentally what I'm concentrating on at the moment. It's so important.
BB: Cool. Alright. Roger Waters. Welcome and thank you so much for coming to Q104.3.
Roger Waters: Hey Bob, thanks a lot.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:28 PM
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15. Yet, after all that, he still voted with the conservatives in England
Say one thing, do another. Sounds like a conservative to me
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:29 PM
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17. I don't think you're right
and even if you are... that interview doesn't sound like a right wing bastard talking to me.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:31 PM
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19. It was all over Fox Hunting
which is a ridiculous reason to vote conservative
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:24 PM
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12. That's a bunch of crap
He is an avowed liberal who bitterly detests the Bush family and their policies. He also detested Thatcher and Reagan. He's written entire albums about it.

He's also a much better songwriter than Gilmour.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 06:41 PM
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22. Actually, that was a bit impolite of me
But his asinine views on fox hunting don't make him a wingnut. Just a gentrified asshole. He's socially liberal, yet very conservative at the same time. But he is not a neocon. He has spoken out against US foreign policy repeatedly and was against the first Gulf War, for instance.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:13 PM
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3. Waters never struck me as a right wing bastard.
Much of his stuff on "Animals" and "The Wall" railed against the more conservative government in England during the late 70's. Particularly Mary Whitehouse in "Pigs (Three different Ones)"
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:15 PM
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6. yeah I thought he certainly was NOT conservative
and perhaps was more left wing.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:16 PM
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8. He's since changed
look it up, sad but true
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:17 PM
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10. his solo stuff seems pretty liberal too
watching tv? bravery of being out of range?
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:29 PM
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16. Since last year?
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:13 PM
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4. damn...tough call
waters is the man...misguided...but genius..
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Magrittes Pipe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:27 PM
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14. Syd Barret.
:P
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:30 PM
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18. stoner.
:smoke:
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:35 PM
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20. okay....
he's a liberal in everything...except he likes the fox hunt? is that the big picture i'm getting...

the man is brilliant...i watch him play and tears come to my eyes...

david gilmour is good too...but waters is a force of nature...his performance is so sweet it hurts...
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:38 PM
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21. good post
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