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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:09 PM
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"They hate freedom. They love terror."
Honest to god, our commander-in-thief just spake these words on CNN.
looney-toons looney-toons looney-toons
Dumber than dirt and not half as attractive.
:eyes:
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:10 PM
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1. Who did he say that about?
This weekend's marchers? I dare him to say that to my 12-year-old son's face since he so proudly marched with me in D.C.! My son would really give him what for!
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:33 PM
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15. Think he was talking about that infintesimal
teeny-tiny, eentsie-weentsie (I think it's actually only about three guys) group of Iraqis who are just a smidge less than ecstatic about us taking over their country.
That's my take anyway.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:11 PM
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2. Yup, heard him.
Edited on Mon Oct-27-03 12:11 PM by BullGooseLoony
Sounded like he didn't really know what to say..."They hate....freedom. They love <long pause>....terror."
It's a pretty simple formula. "They hate <fill in good thing here>. They love <fill in bad thing here>." Voila! Beautiful propaganda!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:18 PM
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5. Good formula
"they hate .... broccoli...they love ... pork rinds"
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:19 PM
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6. ROFL
oh man
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:11 PM
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3. Who, the neo-cons?
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:26 PM
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11. damn
you stole my line
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:34 PM
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17. No HE stole OUR line
:bounce:
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dkamin Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:12 PM
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4. "Freedom"
is a word that will soon have no meaning, if it has any today.

"Freedom" apparently means a state of excessive poverty, homelessness, and cronyism, and a marked lack of democracy.

oh wait, i forgot, "democracy" has a new meaning as well.
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:19 PM
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7. Add that to the long list
of Bush idiot-speak quotes.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:21 PM
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8. I heard it on the CBC and just about wrecked the van
Coupla' other drivers were staring at me 'cause I was screaming :wtf:
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:22 PM
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9. Dumbya
:wtf:
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:25 PM
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10. the Chimp-in-Charge
is kinda goofy at times, but he's sincere, you most admit
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:28 PM
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12. Oh yeah...
he just has that SINCERE look.
In between the condescending smirks.
Gotta love the guy because he's...he's...he's just a regalur guy.
yep
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:33 PM
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16. I don't actually believe he's sincere.
He spoke about plans for a "humble" foreign policy during the election 2000 and then proceeded to trash and/or withdraw from international agreement after international agreement.

He talks about compassion and the need for private charity but then demands the end of the estate tax, which will help remove some of the motivation for the wealthy to share their goods with the less fortunate.

Oh, and did I mention that he will benefit very handsomely from the tax cuts he's sought?

He talks about expressing love to a neighbor, but scampers off to Camp David to hide when the protestors come to town. Not that he has anything to do with the people around Camp David, either; he basically has very little to do with the communities where he is a guest for his presidency. The only time he does anything with the D.C. community is when it makes for a good photo opportunity.

People often give him credit for a genuine piety and for just being a nice guy, but I've always gotten the impression that he's very snippy, defensive, and vindictive, to say nothing of self-righteous and insulated. In the "By their fruits shall ye know them" scheme of things, that doesn't bode well.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 06:58 PM
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25. just read James Hatfield's 'Fortunate Son'
and spoofing the * is only way to handle sense of 'shock'n'awe gee' the mediawhore has given ....
we shoulda resorted to violence when reagan was pawned off on the USA.....in 1980.
i thot there were lotsa good men watching out: who could have imagined 20 yrs later the BFEE could steal election in BROAD DAYLIGHT, pull off 911 in BROAD DAYLIGHT....conduct a criminal war based upon nudgenudgewinkwink excuses in broad daylight.....and no-one really say nothing.
The Weather Underground was right....damn i wish we could turn back the clock....
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:29 PM
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13. He's actually made them into some comic book villain
Edited on Mon Oct-27-03 12:30 PM by Kamika
Its pretty impressive, I dont even think they are regarded as humans anylonger they are some stereotypical Cobra villains now
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:40 PM
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20. like the arch-villan Dr Germ, and her sidekick Chemical Ali
laughing maniacaly over a bubbling cauldron of VX nerve agent...

sadly, comic-book hero terms are all the 'Murikans seem to understand anymore. You good, he bad...

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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:31 PM
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14. watching him speak is like watching
Edited on Mon Oct-27-03 12:33 PM by BigMcLargehuge
Tarzan, Tonto, and Frankenstein "on Democracy"

Fire bad!!!!
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 10:07 PM
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26. ROTFL! And all three men have eerie links to Bush!
Tarzan was an Ape Man.

"Tonto" is Spanish for "Fool".

And last but certainly not least, a destructive monster with the brain of a criminal and the mind of a child, hunted to his fiery doom by an infuriated pitchfork wielding mob.

Françoise
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Bozola Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:36 PM
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18. Great caption when properly applied


They hate freedom. They love terror.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:38 PM
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19. Bush has no critical thinking capacity. He is a broken record.
After he was heckled in Australia (in and out of Parliament), the best response he could muster was : "Who can possibly think that the world would be better off with Saddam Hussein still in power?"

Is that the best he can offer at this late stage in the game? He sounds like a five-year-old stomping his feet. This old canard is so off-base and irrelevant, yet he still probably thinks it's impeccable logic. Such a statement, as his only response to being heckled by a member of an "allied" government in the Iraq War (in that government's chambers, no less), clearly demontrates that he has utterly exhausted any and all possible justifications for this war, and/or simply does not have the capacity for critical thinking.

Sure, in and of itself, the world might be better without Saddam... maybe in that fantasy world where we could just magically make Saddam disappear. But many things had to happen for us to rid the world of Saddam, and most of the "bad" in those things has far outweighed the "good" done by ridding the world of Saddam (and we really haven't even done that, have we?). It's as though he thinks the only factor that enters into whether to send the nation to war is whether there's a "bad guy"!

GOD, just responding to such moronic statements entails bringing it down to the level of explaining world politics to a pre-teen.
Maybe that's why the media doesn't challenge Bush on simple-minded statements like this. It's just so damned OBVIOUS!
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:45 PM
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21. "But many things had to happen
for us to rid the world of Saddam, and most of the "bad" in those things has far outweighed the "good" done by ridding the world of Saddam (and we really haven't even done that, have we?)."

Now THERE is an excellent (IMHO) example of critical thinking and put in one of the most succinct and easy to understand sentences I have read on the matter.

I like the way your head works, Bj.
:thumbsup:
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 01:22 PM
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22. Thanks for the compliment, but I don't deserve any credit. It's so...
...damned obvious! That our "Commander in Chief" doesn't understand this simply scares me.

To me, it's just the basics of a decision to go to war... or any decision, for that matter. You weigh the potential costs against the potential benefits.

Bush has been incapable, from Day One, of seing anything but the one "benefit": No More Saddam. Everything else was just cover. Those behing him (Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, all the neocons) simply have a very warped idea of what the costs and benefits might be. They simply want to begin a new American Empire. They probably just sit at their fireplaces, reading the WSJ, brandy snifter in hand, thinking: "We're goood! We're SO goood! The world will love us if we force them to follow our lead!!"

But in arguing against them, I would merely use the words of future president George W. Bush, during the 2000 debates: "If we are an arrogant nation, they will resent us... If we're a humble nation, but strong, they'll welcome us."

It was the wisest thing he ever said. Too bad he was just reading from his entirely fictional, "uniter-not-a-divider" campaign script.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 01:34 PM
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23. He sounds like that character
in Steve Martin's Roxanne, when he's trying to get cues via the headset and the signal keeps getting interrupted. "They...hate...um...freedom. They...love...car 14, car 14, 167 in progress, south Beach Drive...terror."

I like the propaganda formula. "They hate chocolate. They love cod-liver oil. They are bad."
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donotpassgo Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 02:14 PM
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24. I love terror with a side of fries.
mmmm....terra licious
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 10:13 PM
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27. "Goddammit, Ahmed- I just LOVE terror, y'know that?" "Yes, I do, Mahmoud."
I love it, too. And I hate freedom."

"Oh me, too. Freedom sucks. I hate people with freedoms!"

"Me, too."

Yes, very believable. Wonderful analysis, Mr. Bush. Your grasp of geopolitics is astounding.
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