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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:36 PM
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Should We Care If God Exists Or Not?
We should still be moral people, whether we are atheists, agnostics, or people of faith. We should still vote liberal. WE should still be politically and intellectually active.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:41 PM
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1. yes
Caring about God's existance might bring you happiness. Karma, like gravity, exists and imposes itself upon us, regardless of our belief or understanding.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:48 PM
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3. Well...
I'm an agnostic, and I have intellectual acheivement to give me happiness.
Gravity can be explained with the use of virtual particles in quantum physics. (I think; I'm no expert in such matters.) God cannot. We have clear and strong evidence for gravity's existence. We lack taht for God's.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:42 PM
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2. which god?
there are so many!
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:49 PM
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4. Any...
or any supernatural being taht created the universe and guides it do this day, whether called a god, a prophet, a son of God, or whatever.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:52 PM
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5. Yes we should care
But we should also realise that not everyone is on the same page. Demanding that they be where we are is foolish. But still it is vital to work together to figure out such matters. They lie at the center of who and what we are. How can we find our way forward without knowing something of where we came from?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:57 PM
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8. I sort of agree...
Tolerance and acceptance are the most important things in this issue. However, discussing religion often alienates people, due to the fact, as you stated above, that we are all not on the same page.
There is simply no way to prove whether or not there is a god. There will always be agnostics and there will always be atheists amd there will always be people of faith. This debate could go on forever and accomplish nothing.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:00 PM
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11. Perhaps its not a debate
Perhaps it is exploring together with eyes wide open. Perhaps it is a journey. Like the blind men at the elephant we each see part of it and come together to share what we have. We must be ready to learn from each other.
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dofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:55 PM
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6. Behaving morally
is the only thing that matters, in my opinion. If belief in God is what it takes to motivate you to behave that way, then so be it. But moral behavior is not rooted solely in belief in a deity or an afterlife or any of that.

Treating others with dignity and respect is at the root of moral behavior. Do that, and much else will fall into place.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:58 PM
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9. I agree completely...
n/t
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:01 PM
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14. well said. (nt)
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:57 PM
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7. Questions regarding an all-knowing, all-present and all-powerful deity.

Dear God Person,

There are a few questions you could clear up for me:

Number one: Like do you read when taking care of business. If so what do you read, or since you know everything do you just sit there and think of a book, magazine or something else.

Number two: Condiments like what kinds of condiments do you like? I suppose you don’t use steak sauce, since you would already know that the steak was so bad you needed to cover it with steak sauce just to eat it and you would not order that steak. When you get a bad meal do you send it back, how does that work, since you would already know that it was a bad meal, and you could just not order. Okay, just skip this. He, he as if I had to tell you.
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midnitemoleman Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:59 PM
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10. Better to be safe than sorry.
Look at it this way, which way has more to loose by. Then
devide your eternal soul spending eternity in hell by how lucky you are in your lottery picks every weak. And that's what you should do. If you win all of the time and have exelent odds at playing games then by all means trust your pick. But if not, then I would think hard before I chose.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:02 PM
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15. If you don't have TRUE faith...
Then why pretend? True faith means that you are almost completely sure that there is a God and a supernatural being. I lack true faith; as I said above, I am an agnostic. God will know that, if he exists, and direct me to hevean/hell/wherever accordingly.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:01 PM
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12. In a way I feel it's none of my business.
Edited on Mon Jul-21-03 09:02 PM by rbnyc
As for morality, I was talking to my boyfriend last night about this fantasy I had earlier in the day about beating the crap out of this stripper that stole his cell phone at his bachelor party and was holding it hostage. I said that while it was a fulfilling fantasy, in real life I don't believe in being violent toward anyone unless it's the only way to stop them from harming myself or someone else. And I told him that I didn't think this was the word of god, or written in stone, or a universal truth, or something that could be proven to be correct, but rather it was just my notion. But being just a notion is all the more reason to live by it, for being just a notion, living by it is the only way to give it real power and meaning.

EDIT: spelling
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:03 PM
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16. That's a belief...
God is not a belief, in the sense that someone who believes in him gnerally believes in a spiritual being, not simply a belief.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:12 PM
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17. I'm saying...
...god is none of my business, but my values are, and I give them power by living them. How could I know anything about god?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:18 PM
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18. If that's what you are saying...
I agree.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:19 PM
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19. I thought you might.
;-)
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mkregel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:21 PM
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20. Wait a second
Why is this stripper holding your boyfriend's cell phone hostage?

Im thoroughly confused
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bocadem Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:01 PM
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13. No.
Why care?

If you derive a great deal of your will-to-live from a possibly nonexistant deity, then sure, stick to faith.

If it's fear of death: Don't worry about it.

To quote Billy from Predator: "We're all gonna die."
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:28 PM
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21. I am a pantheist. <look it up>
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:30 PM
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22. So this pantheist
Orders a hot dog. The vendor says how do you want that. The pantheist replies, Make me one with everything.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 05:30 AM
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25. Funny!
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:32 PM
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23. You believe in a pantheon of gods?
How is that not a polytheist?
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 01:19 AM
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24. well, I've said it before and I'll say it again . . .
God really doesn't care whether or not we believe in Her . . .
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 05:31 AM
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26. OBS..VG. I don't think God is that egotistical. Agree.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 08:06 AM
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27. Not the right question
I think the real question is: should we care if anyone else cares is God exists, or not?

And of course, the answer is no.
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