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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:15 PM
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Official Lugubrious Quotations Thread!
“At one point, I thought life was about acquiring things. Life is totally about losing everything.”

Mike Tyson, June 2005

(http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050627ta_talk_remnick)
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:18 PM
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1. Here we go
"Either that wallpaper goes, or I do!"

Oscar Wilde's last words.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:19 PM
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2. Wow, makes you want to
eat his children or something.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:20 PM
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3. and
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 11:23 PM by swag
There is no religion in which everyday life is not considered a prison; there is no philosophy or ideology that does not think that we live in alienation.

-Eugene Ionesco
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:23 PM
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4. "I got mine, fuck you!" - William Burroughs
...
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:25 PM
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5. Life's a bitch, and then you die. -- Unknown /nt
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:28 PM
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6. The wisdom of Tyler Durden
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 11:31 PM by swag
"Crying is right at hand in the smothering dark, closed inside someone else, when you see how everything you can ever accomplish will end up as trash.

This is when I'd cry, because right now, your life comes down to nothing, and not even nothing, oblivion. It's easy to cry when you realize that everyone you love will reject you or die."

from Fight Club by Chuck Palahniuk
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:35 AM
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22. Fight Club - great quote movie!
"In the world I see - you are stalking elk in the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You will wear hard leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You will climb wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see people laying strips of vennison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway."
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:36 PM
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9. That is the best one....
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:30 PM
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7. Why do fireflies have to die so young?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:32 PM
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8. Now that I know what "lugubrious" means
Just check out the latest GOP talking points.

:headbang:
rocknation
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:37 PM
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10. A favorite from Dostoyevsky's "Notes from Underground"
"But what is to be done if the direct and sole vocation of every intelligent man is babble, that is, the intentional pouring of water through a sieve?"
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:01 AM
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13. ah Notes from Underground
:)
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:04 AM
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14. Thank you for rescuing this hopeless thread with your pity post.
Why aren't you plunking your bass?
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:08 AM
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16. my husband was plunking it instead -
there's a cautionary theme operating here. Hmmm. This is what happened when he bought the Ovation acoustic guitar ( shades of Joan Armatrading)... which I seldom play.

Also, my BA is in English Lit., etc. and I seldom see anyone mention Notes From Underground. I'm a sucker for Doestoevsky.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:11 AM
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17. Yeah,
and I'm a sucker for Yeats.

What's your drum kit like?
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:19 AM
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18. here are some more for you then
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 12:23 AM by tigereye
an anti-lugubrious one and another supporting Irish dread? (one could argue whether that is actually lugubrious.)

Land of Heart's Desire, Where beauty has no ebb, decay no flood, But joy is wisdom, time an endless song.

and the classic,

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, the blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere the ceremony of innocence is drowned; the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

on edit... I have a black Pearl drum set, circa... late 80s -early 90s.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:26 AM
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19. Thanks for the Yeats. Soon time to retrieve my battered, poorly annotated
"Selected Poems," I see.

Happy birthday again. Enjoy yourself and see you soon.

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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:28 AM
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20. mine isn't quite as battered
but I am going to have a look before bed. Thanks and nice swapping quotes with ya!
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:45 AM
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31. I bought mine used.
That's why yours isn't quite as battered.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:04 AM
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35. oh
you shouldn't have said so, then I would have assumed it was battered from your endless perusal of it, thus causing me to think you a great Yeats scholar!

:silly:
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:14 AM
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40. I remember being horrified when a friend was thumbing
through my copy and laughed out loud when he came across an annotation I had made - a pen line from the word "Magi" to a margin where I had helpfully written "wise men."

I felt pretty country at that moment.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:24 AM
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43. what, you aren't reading things in Greek?
and all the original languages? ;)

One of my favorite things growing up was the giant dictionary my parents had/ still have on a big stand. (I was and still am a word fanatic). We keep the giant dictionary under the bed in our house, haven't gotten a stand as yet.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:27 AM
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44. Oh, nice.
A good dictionary is a life-enhancer beyond measure.
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Bat Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:34 AM
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21. I love Yeats
For be comes, the human child,
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
from a world more full of weeping than you can understand.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:06 AM
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37. cool!
:hi:

there is something about him that is so wonderful. I saw his play cycle ( Cucullen? sp? )last year at an Irish org. I belong to, it was fascinating with beautifully ornate language.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:40 PM
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11. From the Book of Ecclesiastes
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 11:40 PM by swag
8 All things are wearisome;
more than one can express;
the eye is not satisfied with seeing,
or the ear filled with hearing.

9 What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done;
there is nothing new under the sun.

10 Is there a thing of which it is said,
"See, this is new"?
It has already been,
in the ages before us.

11 The people of long ago are not remembered,
nor will there be any remembrance
of people yet to come
by those who come after them.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:43 PM
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12. E.M. Cioran chimes in!
Better to be an animal than a man, an insect than an animal, a plant than an insect, and so on. Salvation? Whatever diminishes the kingdom of consciousness and compromises its supremacy.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:05 AM
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15. hmmm
there are a few folks tonight who are making us fire up the dictionary to reassess meaning of words we assumed we knew!

here is some Yeats, "A shudder in the loins engenders there the broken wall, the burning roof and tower and Agamemnon dead." ;)
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:37 AM
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23. Here's a good Zappa gem
"That's right, just remember - there is a BIG difference between kneeling down and bending over." - from the song Heavenly Bank Account
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:01 AM
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26. here's a: jimmy carl gem...
"if you can't face up to it then don't put your face up to it" http://www.jimmycarlblack.com
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:42 AM
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29. Oh my. "The Indian of the Group!"
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:10 AM
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24. "Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all of its pupils."
~Hector Berlioz



"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

~Albert Einstein

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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:55 AM
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25. Looking at them this morning, I'm not sure that all of my quotations
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 07:58 AM by swag
qualify as lugubrious. A few of the quotes are probably just what some would call "realist," though others would mistake that for "cynical."

And going into the guest room to get some unfolded clean clothes this morning, I recalled when a chronically depressed fellow I know came to visit for some cheering up. I had forgotten that I had been reading Cioran's On the Heights of Despair in that room earlier in the week and that I had left it in there - the only book in the room.

My friend spent a few hours reading it his first night here while my darling bride and I slept happily in the next room. His reading hindered the cheering he had come for.

Really, though. Reading some of those authors just cheers me the fuck up. As Nietzsche and others have pointed out, having the shit stripped off of things can be a liberation and a starting point.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:07 AM
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27. ah yes: lugubrious...
To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 't is nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep:
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heartache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, -'tis is a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.


~ hamlet ~
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:45 AM
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30. Pretty fuckin' lugubrious, all right. Thanks, bridgit.
Part of you wants to smack the guy and say, "get over it!" and part of you knows he's right about everything.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:51 AM
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33. oh, hamlet was right all right, right as 'red rain coming down'...
but the slap'n stuff applies in spades as well :rofl:
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:13 AM
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well sometimes going into the depths
(to paraphrase some Jungians) is actually the way back out.

actually when we looked up lugubrious for pronunciation and clarification purposes, I could hear Bob Dylan saying it,

lyoo- gyoooo- breee- ussss :rofl:

so much for the seriousness of life!

and also, a quote from a college friend of mine, Art, "Don't be an existentialist, you'll ruin your twenties!"

I'll stop now. :)
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:20 AM
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28. Mencken
is a gold mine for lugubrious quotes:

All the leaders of groups tend to be frauds. If they were not, it
would be impossible for them to retain the allegiance of their dupes...
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:49 AM
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32. He's king of the pyschic knee-cap, that one.
Another shining star of glorious, fucked up old Baltimore.

Thanks.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:03 AM
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34. Lugubrious Game by Salvador Dali


A thread-locker if ever there were one.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:05 AM
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36. i got yer thread locker rite-ear...
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:08 AM
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38. Tasty.
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 09:09 AM by swag
Thanks for sharing.

That makes my morning.

on edit: now I know why Dali always claimed that he was going to eat Gala when she died.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:13 AM
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39. it is my goal, to make this world a better place...
one smiling swag @ a time :applause: :kick: :patriot:

ps, are you ready sweets, for 'aeon flux the movie' http://www.aeonflux.com i'm already there :popcorn:

pps, "eat Gala when she died" = theirs was a love supreme :thumbsup:
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:16 AM
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41. Wow.
Only got a glimpse of that - enticing, whatever it is. I feel quite out of it.

Will investigate it thoroughly once the portfolio uploads are done.

Many thanks.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:19 AM
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42. coolness...
at your leisure work it round to the trailer, that's where the proof of that particular pudding is :popcorn:
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