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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 08:39 PM
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Blacklist a badge of honor
By Nicole Brodeur, Seattle Times.


"Fannie Flagg? Dr. Joyce Brothers? Sandy Duncan? - This can't be a National Rifle Association blacklist. It sounds like an old guest roster from "Match Game '75."

For something designed to be discriminatory, the NRA's 19-page e-raspberry is hardly discriminating.

Instead of putting the fear of God — or Moses, as portrayed by Charlton Heston — into people, the list is putting them into hysterics and has made the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action a momentary laughingstock.

Not only does the list lack firepower, but it also has started a new trend of Wanting On. Thousands of people have written to the pro-gun lobby, begging to be blacklisted. "

More...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nicolebrodeur/2001782174_brodeur04m.html

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 08:52 PM
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1. Current score: thousand of gun-grabbers vs millions of gun-owners
I believe the gun-owners including the majority who are not NRA members are odds on favorites to win the battle by defending their inalienable right to defend self and property and to exercise that right by keeping and bearing firearms.

RKBA is a basic civil right and just as important as any other civil right.

AND DAMM PROUD OF IT!
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 08:57 PM
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2. That has nothing to do with my post
or the article it contains.

If you really have a great deal to say on this, there's a forum in Justice and Public Safety just waiting for you.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:05 PM
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3. My reply has everything to do with your post. Perhaps you don't
understand what the blacklist is for. I suggest you read the article you cited more carefully.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:10 PM
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4. I have read the article, I know what the black list is for
If you want to argue the merits of the politics, there are many fora here in which you can do that.

The article is about how the blacklist has failed as a tool, become a laughingstock and people actually want to get on it.

Here's the bottom line: The article is about the irony, the failures and the inherent humour in the list. The article is not about the merits of NRA, gun control, theories of self-defense, sedition and government.

In simpler words, the article is about the list. Your statements are about the politics of the issue. These are widely differing subjects.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 02:32 AM
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8. If "The article is about the irony, the failures and the inherent humor
in the list", then what evidence is there that the list is a failure?

Irony might be more appropriately asserted by using the list "Support for Banning Handguns" from Handgun Free America and then citing the recent survey "Winning the Gun Vote".

Using your logic, that's real irony since the list of gun-grabbers support a gun-ban that is obviously losing the support of Democratic leaders.


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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 03:21 AM
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9. I've no idea why you insist on making this about your issues
it's not. Plain and simple.

I don't fall for strawman arguments, and I'm not interested in debating this issue with you. Whatever your presumption, I haven't suggested my sympathies belong with either side in the issue.

Again, because it is the most important point and the one you don't seem to grasp; there is a forum for the discussion you seem to want in this matter. I suggest you try to find your debate there.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 09:08 AM
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12. Strawman arguments? You've got to be kidding.
You say you are making an important point that a list published by a pro-gun group is humerous but refuse to accept another and older list published by a gun-grabber group as also humerous.

The only humor is your failure to acknowledge that gun-grabbers have harmed the Democratic party.

If gun-grabbers did not exist, Karl Rove would have to create and finance them to keep Repugs and AWOL in office.


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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:03 PM
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13. No, I don't say that I'm making an important point, you attribute falsely.
This is the Lounge, it is not the appropriate forum for important points. The Humour, I state again, is in the fact that rather than creating a deterrent they've created a list that people are begging to be put on.

Please quit hijacking this thread. There are fora aplenty for you to engage in serious discussion of your pet issues.

I have no interest in your opinions on this matter and I will not debate them with you. You have no idea what my opinions are in this matter, and I will not share them with you.

The article is a humourous piece which simply points out that the list is so filled with no-names and has-beens as to now actually appeal to the young and silly.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:13 PM
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5. Forgive my ignorance, but what is RKBA?

P.S. "Damm" proud of it???
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:15 PM
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6. Right to Keep and Bear Arms (n/t)
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:25 PM
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7. Of course! Should've known.

But since I've never owned a gun in my life, I suppose it's OK that I didn't know that particular abbreviation.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 03:54 AM
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10. Hmmm...a laughingstock...
I wonder if the other groups who put out lists of people and companies that oppose their position (like the MMM, animal rights groups, et cetera) are also a laughingstock? Or is it just the NRA?
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 08:15 AM
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11. It Depends
Do they keep such a wide list? Does it judge people on their political beliefs? I think the NRA list is funny because it casts such a wide net. A list of Politicians or TV News talking heads who oppose the NRA is one thing, but every 70s sitcom star who may have supported gun control at some point? What possible effect could they have on the issue?
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 05:39 PM
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19. What's the point of the list?
From my perspective, it's to let people know where these people stand on an issue, so that they can support or not support them as they choose.

Hell, the NRA isn't even calling for a boycott on them, they're just telling people what their stance is or has been.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:10 PM
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14. It's not the subject matter
of the list that creates the laughingstock it's the lackluster roster of names upon it. Did you read the article..?

I suspect if the PETA had filled a blacklist with the names of sitcom stars who hadn't been heard of since the '70's we'd be giggling at them as well.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 05:29 PM
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15. I'm proud to be on it!
It IS a badge of honor--thank you all very much!
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 05:36 PM
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18. You're really
Sandy Duncan, aren't you...? ;-)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 05:41 PM
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20. For me to know . . .
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BritishHuman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 05:33 PM
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16. It seems a bit silly to me
All C-list celebrities want to get their names in the papers - maybe they should sell space on the list.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 05:34 PM
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17. Well, to add to it's absurdity, the article notes
that many NRA members aren't even aware of the blacklist. So...what's that accomplishing, really, other than the publicity your mention?
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