A pregnant woman is not a human but a womb who belong to the state.

That is what the government of and by the right wing had deemed us to be. I had 2 children, one of whom is 7 months pregnant with her second child and I can tell you that everyone who is related to and loves her would go to jail a million times to protect her over her unborn child. (Pray Goddess this never happens.) Please tell me why that is now a crime in this out of wack country we live in?

All the more reason to get them the hell out of power in 2004.

People are much too wooed by tv and the media and they depict feminists and liberals as the antichrists.

Sigh...I really do.

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is surrounded by strong loving people. (Okay, she is also strong herself and an attorney.) But earlier today, we were talking about this and the atmosphere today that so reminds us of the Handmaiden's Tale. What a horrible thing to have happen (chosing between the life of the mom and the babe) and to think that the decisions that would have to be made comes down not you and your family but to ashcroft and the group. We live in a very sick, sick world. Women really have no value, except as vessels of reproduction in amerika today.

I feel like we're not progessing anymore; just going backward towards theocracy. We've GOT to get these people out of power!!

as a member of the older generation, feel like such a failure. I work daily to make changes, but nothing seems to be working. As one who never quites, I won't give up, but I sure would like to see a gleam at the end of that tunnel.

...that my generation will likely be the first in a long time to be worse off than the preceeding generations.

I think things can be changed, but it's going to take lots of work. I'll do my part. :-)

caring people like you who are young and working for change. Kiss, kiss for encouragement. (And also because you are so darn cute.)

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and it should be used often

I mean besides taking it to court.

to be challenged. But why should something this hurtful be a state matter? Don't pregnant women still have rights or do they give up their rights to a fetus when they become pregnant?

The mothers health is not taken into account in this moronic law and thus it will found unconstitutional. The time to worry is when they put conservatives on the supreme court. Then we should worry.

have to remember that many are not as aware of rights and laws and as supported as many of us around here. Where do those women go? Do they just die?

THE SAME F***S WHO INSTALLED THIS PIECE OF SHIT "PRESIDENT" ?????

Thanks in advance.

Yikes, all of a sudden I was back in grammar school in the 50s and 60s. We were inundated with stories of the Red Menace and the horrible lives people were forced to live behind the Iron Curtain.

Your subject line reminded me of some of those stories. We were told how horrid it must be to live that way and we how we were lucky to be living in the USA. Boy, time sure does change things.

they so demonized the soviets that I am sure that many are still shaking in their boots. At the time, (I must have been 12 or so) I could remember being curious about those people and their way of life. I've never have been scared of anything, except maybe the power of the bush administration.

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HOWEVER, I think it's less "your womb belong to the state", and more of, "the fetus is a human with rights as well."

I think it all depends on how you define human, and at what point you deem a life form worth protecting.

I used to be anti-abortion, but have changed my views and I support it up to a point, and I think the woman's health should ALWAYS be taken into consideration.

The partial birth abortion ban is a dangerous piece of legislation that condemns women to death.

that without checking that you are a male. The reason I know this is that your comments tell me that you have never carried a child. For a strong and independent women, even with a caring mate by your side, it is a emotionally disabling event. You feel so DEPENDENT. Please believe me when I say, this is not a good feeling. Now we not only have random males (and ultra religious females) telling us what we should be doing, feeling and thinking, we have the rw, nutty, repukes. Why do they have this okay????

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been that way for a very very long time. We take three steps forward and two steps backward.

Aimed at defunding liberals and stacking the courts.

I really feel for Mississippi DU'ers today as well.

she said that she also felt that we were going backwards in every segment of society. When we were young moms in the 70's we always believed that our grandchildren would inherit a much better world and now we see nothing but backward thinking and the destruction of so much we worked so hard to change. We were young and we believed that America would change if we only showed it what was right. I am crying now. We failed.

These idiots just caused more abortions, because any woman who falls into one of the two categories from which all of these abortions come: high-risk pregnancy and birth defect fetus - will now simply opt to have their abortion earlier in their term, without knowing "for sure" whether it was necessary to have an abortion. More women will have abortions as a result.

Way to go, right-wing crackpots!

These uterus-enslaving nutballs are truly as dense as Rush Limbaugh. At least he had an excuse - he was on drugs.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

folks, the fetus worshipers. I guess they have never had an event that involved someone they loved or themselves or even another female person that they could relate to that was in some type of physical stress. That to me is the problem with all of these RWers, they have absolutely no empathy for other human beings. True Christianity means caring for those around you, not judging and condeming.

pay attention to the groups that are sending out brochures to their parishes urging them to vote a certain way--against anything having to do with abortion and against anything having to do with women asserting their right to manage their own families and their own body.

illegal when I was in college and that the rich girls that wanted them still got them and that when I was in MT school in a baptist hospital in Dallas that I saw hundreds of d&c's with beating heart tissue of women whose Dr's thought that not having another child was the best thing for certain women. In other words, if you were rich or had connections you could have control over your body. If you were poor, you had unwanted children or you died. Those were your choices.

were admitted to the hospital in the fifties, and had "D&C's" that were really abortions. That is how they got rid of their unwanted pregnancies. They were rich enough to be admitted to the hospital , under the wing of a very concerned doctor whose whole practice consisted of very rich people, and had the abortion in a clean and safe environment. Not the same for the poor women, who at time, were locked in a religious belief that banned birth control in any form, and we forced to shamefully seek and abortion in anyplace they could to save their "reputation" or to keep it from their parents. Some of them died.

numerous d&c's (we rotated through all the labs and I remember the pathologists doing exams and writing up all those throbbing tissues as d&c's)in the path lab and that was in a Baylor (very baptist) hospital. I really never apprecaited the irony of this until later when the whole abortion issue and the religious freaks became so prominent.

She had the family money.

Other women died. butchered in a back room somewhere. Sad.

I don't ever want to go back to those days again!

Judge Blocks Partial-Birth Abortion Ban

Wednesday November 5, 2003 8:31 PM


By KEVIN O'HANLON

Associated Press Writer

LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) - A federal judge in Nebraska blocked implementation of a federal ban on certain late-term abortions Wednesday, less than an hour after President Bush signed the ban into law.

U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf issued a temporary restraining order against the law after a three-hour hearing on a lawsuit in Nebraska brought by abortion-rights supporters.

He said his order would apply only to the four doctors who filed the lawsuit, but the ruling could extend beyond Nebraska because the physicians are licensed to practice in Alabama, Georgia, Iowa, New York, South Carolina and Virginia.

Kopf cited concerns that the law did not contain an exception for preserving the health of the woman seeking the abortion.

See Link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3353027,00.html

Although, this doesn't completely solve the problem of the Fundy-Whack Job Lobby - it's a start!

Some people think that women, even pg ones, have rights.

my dad had to tell the doctor that he wanted my mom alive and healthy if it came down to a choice between her or the fetus/baby. He is aghast that 50 yrs down the road, some poor father to be is going to have to do what he had to do. :(

group fo RWers. Do you really think that an actual person who is here,(daughter/ sister/ wife/mom) was involved that they would still feel that way? What nonsense that anyone could have that power over my daughter and her right to life.

SHould package em up and send to Congress/WH, since, it seems they own them....

despicable act. It was a bunch of middle aged white men in business suits. All smiling happily that they were condemning some women to massive health problems. These same men would talk about state rights and say they don't believe in government regulation of their corporate buds, but they believe in intervening in a medical procedure. I'm furious and saddened.

Another note: I heard on NPR that the Nebraska case only affects a few cases currently in court. I could be wrong but I don't think a judge has struck down the law yet.