DU women: You know me.

You know I'm on your side.

You know I'll be your last friend left when everyone else has deserted you.

So listen to me: Lighten up, would you?.

Please?

Redstone

I'm working on it. ;)

If you want to lose weight, go ahead and do so. If not, that's OK with me, as long as it's OK with you.

It's not my place to judge.

Redstone

You do something to piss off the lassies?

Though I could be wrong. Have been once or twice before.

Redstone

But I'll take any excuse to come over and say "hi!" How was the storm/light show tonight?

:pals:

Because ... maybe I missed something, but that sounds pretty damn condescending.

On edit... please tell me this is a copycat or something...

the better to see us with, my dear?

:shrug:

So how are you doing, Misunderestimator? It's getting a little late for me, I'm going to crash out in a bit. Have a good night.

:)

I shoulda had the whole lounge over for wine, cheese and giggles. Had a grand evening since you scared the hiccups outta me!

It turns out I wasn't as funny as I thought, haha.

Yeah, I even scared myself. I may never get hiccups again after typing that stuff out. I could use some wine now that you mention it.

Hi right back at you, Havocmom. :hi:

:rofl: You seem to be good at that.

Just commenting on the wild threads out tonight. :) Or last night I should say. But, see you're my buddy now. :)

I'm just messin with ya. And I wasn't here for last night's crazy threads. Too busy being sick :puke: but I'm better now, mostly.

I was a little sick this morning. Ended up sleeping in a little.

Mainly just tired I think. :)

I've been sick all week. Today is the first day I've been able to get out of bed!

I hope you're not getting sick!

Thank God! Just a little exhausted and stressed out. Getting ready to go back to school, plus preparing to run for office and move all the way back to Montana, then I have some writing to do etc. I'm used to being lazy, now all of a sudden I'm getting busy again. :)

Well, I hope you feel better. Once you are able to get out of bed again, the tough part is over. Just take care of yourself, eat healthy and stay rested. :)

You have no part in it at all? It just sort of follows you? :hi:

:spray: :hi:

:hi:

i'm just putting together a set of music for this afternoon. :)

I always wake up NSMA five minutes before your show starts... :)

Just the threads tonight. Sort of a joke between Havocmom and I. We always seem to meet up on flame threads. It's not what you think, honest.

I have plenty to do with the stuff you're thinking about though. I know that. :)

:)

Which as it turns out, isn't too bad. Not too good, but not too bad. :)

Here we go again.

Because I don't understand your post, and you and I should not misunderstand each other.

Redstone

Why are you asking us to "lighten up?"

I think that is pretty straightforward.

To be clear:

DU women: You know me.

You know I'm on your side.

You know I'll be your last friend left when everyone else has deserted you.

So listen to me: Lighten up, would you?.

What does that mean?

remote control.

I thought the poster was being sarcastic, but apparently that was not his intention, given the reaction.

I defer to popular opinion, and withdraw my case.

Redstone

that it deserves.

I do apologize. I've spent the evening being a PTSD counselor which, although I'm good at it, is not something I've aspired to, especially given that but for the grace of God and a large amount of born obliviousness, I'd be on the receiving rather than the giving end of it.

Not that I'm complaining.

You all are entitled to be as offended as you wish to be at whatever you wish to be offended.

Never mind what I said.

I gotta go.

Redstone

maybe some time we can talk about all this over a nice cold beer.

this has been a bad week for the DU women. i don't think we're being all that over-sensitive.

A bad week for anyone who hates to see anyone getting put down.

:hug:

:hug:

One can never hear those words enough times.

There are layers and layers of complexities in all of our lives, and a nice cold beer would be a perfect venue to trade mine for yours. I'd like that.

Even if mine would give you the willies, which would be almost guaranteed.

I've not been here that much in the last week because of, well, see my previous post about PTSD counseling, and did not realize that there was some amount of misogynism going on.

I am so weary. I have to go.

Redstone

"womyn" thank you.

It's not funny.

Redstone

for standing up for womyn's rights????

in the mood for humor. thnis is one of them.

Didn't mean to piss on your parade, and all that. We'll talk later.

Redstone

Feeling oppressed by the matriarchy?

:pals:

talk to you.

So I won't try anymore.

Redstone

I replied to YOU here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=3706082&mesg_id=3706581

And thanked you for your observation.

Redstone

WAS actually feeling repressed by the matriarchy here, so once again we have different interpretations of the written word. I'm on your side don't make me hit you upside the head!

schedule it for about 7:00 AM tomorrow? (Actually later this morning.)

I'd appreciate that because I have a bunch of work to do, and the alarm clock doesn't always get my attention.

Redstone

are jumping all over a man making a plea for peace. Anyhoo, 7:00am is too early for my beautiful mind!

:shrug:

:shrug:

:shrug:

redstone's response to me. It seemed to be favorable. Then I responded to a question about being uncomfortable with the matriarchy in here by saying "yes". Redstone responded in a way that I interpreted to be a misunderstanding and I tried to be more clear in a humorous way, so please give me the benefit of the doubt; I believe I was posting accurately to the proper recipient--Redstone. This original post sounded sincere and I agreed with it, even more so now that I have had to clarify once again.

of dealing with misogynistic threads and posts and some disruptive trolls and some well-meaning (and not so well-meaning) "jokes" all contributing to reaching a saturation point.

I love Redstone, but last night, I really didn't need to see "lighten up" from anyone.

I'm aware after reading the thread this morning that he had no idea what situation he had ventured into. So, it's all cool.

I am curious what makes you use the term "matriarchy" as if you actually believe that DU is somehow controlled by women oppressing men. :shrug:

on this subject. I got up this morning still feeling somewhat misunderstood, which is precisely why I hopped into this thread with my opinion. (perhaps unwisely ha!) To answer about some of the words I used, I was reacting to "womyn" in post 24 and "matriarchy" in post 31. So I think I stuck my nose in something where I did not realize feelings were still running high. Oh well, today is another day & I'm sure I'll do it again!

!

:silly:

Did I not miss it and post a series of drunken ramblings that were all conveniently deleted, so when I look at the "My Posts" option I don't see my rampage of mysogniny and wymen hating?

Because I like women, I truly do.

I didn't think you were participating in it... just that you must have seen it... never mind....

:) :hi:

the reply lines. I am sorry. What a silly goose I can be going all off on a tangent like that, so I'm hitting myself upside the head!

hence misunderstandings occur, if I may be so bold.

Redstone

:D

Trust me on this.

Redstone

I missed out on the *real* fun! :yoiks:

I get sick and am absent for one week and look what happens! I'm cool with you Redstone. Not too sure what happened (an I don't think I wanna know) but I'm not mad at anybody!

I know you're a good one. :hug:

:hi:

these days. And you've certainly been making a certain someone walk on the clouds, yes?

Redstone

He's a good man and treats me so well. I didn't expect this right now, but I'm very happy. I want nothing more than to make him walk on the clouds.

:shrug:

FWIW, I don't normally get the mysongist vibe from you, Redstone.

That "remote" has been posted on DU before. IIRC, it has an equally offensive male twin, too.

:hi:

:think: <----- me lightening up. :-)

I've been away to long.

Who would be given you a hard time? Actually, I don't want to know. You're the bees knees Redstone.

But when guys post crap right in the middle of a supreme court nomination of someoe out to remove our rights, it just ain't funny.

Imagine if you will that a USSC judge had written a position paper advocating castration for all unwed fathers, and women were all over the site minimizing the postions of men:

"My husband is fat! Should I make him run outside the car?"

"My husband wants to go to the store without me! What should I do?"

"It's GIRL POWER TIME IN THE LOUNGE!" (hidden message is let's discuss how men are all braun and no brains...)


What you are really saying when you ask us to lighten up is that "boys will be boys." But I ask you, how is it that girls can and will be girls without that beingness minimizing men?

I agree much is DONE in good humor, but that doesn't mean it REMAINS in good humor once everyone else chimes in.

:thumbsup:

but you say it all coherently and passionately and stuff. :hi:

generalities, but:

My mom was on the front lines, even in her middle age, of the women's rights movement. She marched to protect Roe v. Wade. She worked like crazy to see Title IX passed. My mom was a classic soccer mom, btw.

I never dreamed I'd see the day when everything she worked for, struggled for, would be at such risk.

If you've spent time in the GD forums this week, you know "they" were prepared. "They" are here in droves, and they are pretty bold. "They" aren't winning, but "they" aren't giving up, either. Many of us are in the pits with "them." "They" try to reel us in with their "good natured" jest, and some are succeeding.

DU is like a friendly pub of like minded people, IMHO. Last week, I participated in a "blonde jokes" thread. I giggled and truly enjoyed it. This week, a thread like the remote one (I didn't see it till now--I would have ALWAYS considered it offensive) hits nerves many of us didn't remember we had, but have become all too aware of this week.

The Lounge is where we come to cool off and have some laughs. Can we please try to keep it that way (despite my post)?

Stay in the fight for us, and lighten up yourself. I was one of the first to welcome you here, and I know you have our backs. But understand that things are very difficult for those of us who happen to be women.

I'm scared of what's happening. I need to know that DU is on our side.

I'd nominate this one, because it's exactly how I feel, too.

I won't let that happen again.

(for a woman), so I'll probably be in the same mood as last night because it's kind of wearying, and I'll probably not be up to answering the many posts here.

Thanks for the good words to the ones who posted them.

As far as anyone who wants to use the word "misogynist" to describe me, well, go ahead, because you don't know me very well. I'm NOT going to be defensive, but I will tell you that although I'll never be an Alan Alda-type pandering weenie who would describe himself as a "feminist," I've done and continue to do some volunteer and charitable things for women and children who really need help that might surprise you.

Not that I'm looking for approval from anyone. That's not why I do it. I gotta go.

Redstone

I hope you know that.

However... it does kinda bother me that you find male feminists to be "weenies." That's a shame.

"a feminist" has also struck me as being a weenie. And I think many, many or them are not telling the truth when they say that; I think they're just pandering and posturing.

That's my opinion. I don't like insincere people, and those people strike me as being insincere. And I am NOT going to apologize for stating my opinion about certain people, whether my opinion is politically correct or not.

I don't feel I have to use labels. Sorry, but I'm one of those people who DOES things to help women and children rather than talking about it.

In fact, I do feel guilty, though. I've been spending way too much time relaxing and hanging out on DU lately, when I have the annual report for the Food Bank to finish the layout work and prepress on (I do this as a volunteer), and some other stuff that's been lagging while I was screwing around here.

Talk about insincere: here I am talking about all the charity work that I do, and I haven't done enough of it lately. I need to go get to work.

Redstone

and calling myself a feminist doesn't make me feel like a weenie at all. Why should it make a man feel that way? I think that's part of the problem, that these gender roles are so defined that a man feels less than a man if he calls himself a feminist... or he's just calling himself a feminist to get in a woman's pants.

Fortunately, I know a lot of strong, independent, intelligent men who are proud to call themselves feminists. Rock on, feminist men!!

So I'm not saying anymore. I learned a long time ago that the best thing do do when someone is determined to have a fight with you is not to give them one.

And that's what I'm doing now.

Redstone

I admire men who call themselves feminists, and I know many of them... your comment was an insult to them, calling them weenies. I think that this gender divide is a big problem.

If you think that saying that is just arguing for the sake of arguing, then you are one posting for the sake of posting. You don't want to hear my honest reaction... you just want to post your opinion.

I'm not sure why I am in need of lightening up. :shrug:

I must have missed something again.