I know way too much about football, ask me anything

maybe if some of the useless information leaves my head the voices will stop...

For this monumental game? Lions fan since 1962 (sigh).

how did the T get started or the origins of the zone but...

The Lions should beat the Bears but it is pretty close.

and McNair is in another world. Titans.

(points scored by both teams added together)

Rams Vikes game from 99 but it was the Eagles Lions game from 95.

I looked it up. Its 1995 Philly and Detroit. 58-47 or something crazy like that.

use the belly T offense.

A sweep, I would suppose but it is all part of a series anyway so more goes into it than what play was previously run.

5 years of hs and college club coaching

run several options to make sure the LBs were over pursuing.

When they shower do they ever hook up? How many gay NFL players exist

Kordell Stewart was pushed from the closet in Pittsburg.

Past gay players:
Dave Kopay
Jerry Smith
Alex Karras
that Oiler that shot himself after he killed his lover in a car accident.

nt

it was wrtitten about in Pittsburg papers. Speculation was that it affected his ability to lead the team.

The Immaculate Reception as the most talked about play ever?

The Immaculate Reception is still more talked about. Probably because the name is catchier.

Damn voices are still there.

What happens if USC, Florida St, Miami, Va Tech, Ohio St and LSU all lose again and Texas Christian and Oklahoma remains undefeated? So many two-loss teams (including the above and possibly Michigan, WSU or UCLA, Purdue, Iowa, MSU, Georgia, Tennessee, etc), no one-loss teams, and two undefeated teams - Oklahoma and Texas Christian: What happens in the BCS?

the number one college footbal team would be the Senate Pro Tem.

That's what I was thinking.

Oh, and you can add Florida to the list of potential two-loss teams. I think.

they declared Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert the National Champion.

TCU gets "Tulaned". They don't end up #2 in the BCS due to the (lack of) strength in schedule. Right?

Is it fair? I don't know. But with two undefeateds and a shitload of two-loss teams, it could get interesting. I think they (TCU) wouldn't qualify for the MNC Game, but they would make it to a "lesser" BCS Bowl.

Tulane went undefeated in '98 and all they got was this lousy Liberty Bowl. The BCS formula was up and running that season, I think.

Here's the TCU schedule:

September 1 at Tulane 
September 6 Navy 
September 20 Vanderbilt 
September 27 at Arizona 
October 4 Army 
October 10 at South Florida 
October 18 UAB 
October 25 at Houston 
November 5 Louisville 
November 15 Cincinnati 
November 20 at Southern Miss 
November 29 at SMU 

Yeah, it's fair. There's not a Top 20 team there and you're not going to get a BCS bowl spot if your toughest game is Louisville. Thus, they'll be "Tulaned".

C'mon saturday. Hey, it's here.

:toast:

My scenario, albeit far-fetched, gets TCU into the big money (BCS) this year if they remain unbeaten. Losses are counted as one point each in the BCS formula, so TCU is automatically two points better than everybody but Oklahoma. They'd be in the top six or so in the polls in this scenario, too. And the computers, while not being kind to TCU, wouldn't kill them, either. The only thing holding them back is their SOS. I think they make the top six of the BCS given my conditions, guaranteeing them a spot. Hell, they're ninth right now.

Now, keep in mind that my scenario is very unlikely. But if they remain unbeaten, I think they have a shot anyway.

Cool. You obviously know more about how the BCS formula works than I do. (I pull for Ole Miss, so it's never come up) :)

Seriously though, do you like the BCS format?

I'll bet the frogs get clipped, BTW.

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That is one of the most ridiculous spectacles in professional sports. In baseball the game's over. But in football we are treated to the excitement of players intentionally falling down.

Snore.

run the clock down. Should be to the last second. It would be way more exciting, with a lot of different outcomes if they did this.

where the Giants attempted to run out the clock the old fashioend way but Joe Picarcik messed up the hand off to Larry Csonka and and Eagle (Herman Edwards, I believe) picked up the fumble and returned it for the winning TD. That coach was fired and replaced by Bill Parcells.

The only alternative to running out the clock is for the losing team to forfeit. (the score of a forfiet is 1-0)

and it was Herm Edwards. You are correct, sir.

E-A-G-L-E-S! EAGLES!

The score of a forfeited game is 2-0.

http://ww2.nfl.com/fans/rules/emergencies.html

the score of the only forfeited game in pro football history was 1-0. Guess they cahnged the rule since then.

Now you can only score 1 if it's the extra point after a TD. But was there a scoring option that yielded 1 point back in the past?

When I was in 7th grade I got this on a football test as extra credit. It was how many possible scores can you have in football and the answer was any combination because a forfeit is 1-0. This led me to wonder if it ever happened and it only happened in 1921 because a teams didn't have enough guys healthy.

So if the rule changed to 2-0 that makes sense because a safety is the fewest points that can be scored as its own play.

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the Cotton Bowl? Their first game was againast the Texans.

That means the first stadium that the actual Oakland Raiders called home.

And it WASN'T Oakland Colesium.

Im going to say Kezar because I cheated and looked it up.

...

Joe Kapp

Hard to believe he actually completed seven passes in a game.

With a voice like grinding sand, and an arm like cooked spaghetti.;-)

a rugby ball. The pointed end makes it easy to carry and also drop kick. The ball became slimmer to make passing easier.

53 players total, right?

54 because of the emergency QB.

Roster size is the number one reason for the larger size of modern day players.

GO CHEFS!

lose a game.

and like college football?

you have a problem with excellence?

Because you secretly admire the victimization if the student-athlete?

Because you like your boys under the age of 25?

Because you went to college and college games remind you of what your friends tell you that you did at games?

when clearly, feet are rarely involved.

they used to be

Why is the football terminology so gay (not that there's anything wrong with that). I was listening to the local radio broadcast of a Saints game recently, and heard the following excerpt (I'm paraphrasing but this is awfully darned close to the actual quote):

"Deuce finds a very tight hole and plunges his way in! LOOK AT THAT PENETRATION, FOLKS!"
Then there is the matter of "tight ends" and "wide receivers", not to mention all of the butt slapping that goes on.

I hope this doesn't offend anyone. I have nothing at all against gays, I'm just curious why this oh-so-macho sport engenders this kind of innuendo and double entendre. File it under things that make you go "Hhmmmmmmm".

really?

I wouldn't hate football nearly as much if an hour game only lsted a freakin hour.

it takes time to get the ball back to the line of scrimmage so the clock stops on incomplete passes and when the player runs out of bounds.

The game lasts so long because of the passing. The passing happens because of the rule changes that make passing easier.

They include:
Legalized holding on pass blocking
the one chuck rule
no contact after 5 yards
moving in the hashmarks
increased roster size

All of those things combine for more passes which leads to more incomplees which leads to the clock stopping more.

There are also more commercials.

More than anything your approach to this question says something about how much you know about football.

The QB position didn't become what we know it today until everyone used the split T. In the single wing the QB is a blocker.

I think that all we know today about Quarterbacking was started by Johnny Unitas. The cool QB that steps up in the pocket and picks apart the defense was really mastered by Unitas.

I personally think that Luckman was helped by a technoligical advantage since the Bears were so far ahead of everyone at the time.

Graham won a lot of championships but his teams weren't as pass happy as people like to think. In 1950 only the Steelers threw less frequently than the Browns and they ran the Single Wing for crisskaes.

Baugh was a fine passer but was a notorius choker and Washington tried to replace almost every year. He was probably very similiar to a Drew Bledsoe, Vinny Testeverde type. A lot of tools but stuff was missing. Of course Baugh was also a great punter and a smart free safety.

Namath was almost a contemporary of Unitas and Unitas was better.

Norm Van Brocklin is still the only QB to lead two different teams to championships. I have seen a lot of game film of him and he could really huck the ball. He doen't seem to be as good as Graham though.


As for the modern guys...I think if you asked Bill Walsh who he would choose between Elway, Monatana, Young, Marino, Favre or Unitas, I think he would choose Unitas.

But for all we know the greatest QB of all time was Archie Manning or Benny Friedman. Guys who could huck it but were on sorry teams.

my favorite play in football is?

I'll just tell you, it's the fake field goal. I love the fake field goal.

If you were running things in Chicago, would you let Rex Grossman start this year?

The worst thing for a young QB is to let him get pounded like David Carr in Houston.

Starting Jim Plunkett early almost ruinied him, he was getting sacked 60 times a year bak then. Let Chandler start, have Stewert return kicks and put a bevy of armed guards around Grossman for another year.

McNabb started his rookie year and he is fine now, Kyle Boller is doing an ok job at Baltimore for a rookie as well as Byron Leftwich at Jacksonville. Marino threw for 20 touchdowns and only 6 interceptions in his rookie year, Plunkett threw for 19 touchdowns and 16 interceptions so he did better then most rookie quarterbacks in history. It is definately not the worst thing you can do, I can give you probaly over 50 examples of QB's who had solid rookie seasons, (not pro bowl ones but not disastarous ones either).

should a rookie start. the question was should a rookie start for the Bears. the Bears have no offensive line.

And if you think Plunkett was "fine" afer his rookie year then you are not familiar with his history. The Patriots were a competitive team in the late sixties but were getting very old. Plunket started and got poleaxed every game for three years with the result being he could barely lift his throwing arm and felt phantom rushers on every down. When he went to the 49ers he was pitiful. It was onlt the fact that he sat for three years and got reasonably healthy that he was able to come back with the Raiders.

I did an exhaustive study of this about 7 years ago and the indicators of IQ for a QB increase with age regardless of playing time. The only reason to put a young QB in the game is if he is the best QB on the team not bea=cause you want to grow him. QBs get smarter as the get older whether they play or not. From Phil Simms to Steve Bono to Kurt Warner, examples of this can be found.

But starting a young QB is definately not the worst thing you can do I was just challenging that aspect. About the 3rd paragraph, I know that but do you suggest the Bears wait till Rex Grossman is 30 then start him because his IQ will be higher? David Carr is not doing too bad this year, he is completed 60% of his passes plus Houston is in the top 10 when it comes to fewest sacks allowed.

should start Grossman when he is the best QB they have. He isn't now, Chandler is.

What did starting Bradshaw as a rookie do for anyone except get the Steelers higher draft picks?

Where they started a young QB and benefitted the team and you can probaly give me a dozen examples proving me otherwise. Plus Terry Bradshaw was the best player on that team Terry Hanratty was even worse. My gosh he was far worse Bradshaw even in Bradshaw's worst years which was his rookie year.

not to keep Dick Shiner...if for no other reason than his name.

you can't concentrate on 22 things at once.

1963 or 4 in the Astrodome.

Astroturf increases injuries close to 50 %.

In college Football who has the freshman record for best pass completion percentage?

anyone can answer that question.

:evilgrin:

Grady Benton of ASU with 62.2 % in 1992.

That is something I knew for years, which NFL team drafted Joe Namath? He never played for that NFL team because he opted to play in the AFL. I bet you can google this too but you can google virtually every question someone asked.

for example, most people believe that Tom Landry invented the zone defense as a defensive coordinator for the Giants in the fifties but I read a book by Knute Rockne that was written in 1911 that talked about the zone defense and the principles were the same.

Many people may know that in 1932 a QB had to be five yards behind the line of scrimmage to throw a forward pass but most don't know that prior to 1925 (I think) the QB had to be five yards back and between the tackles to throw a forward pass. that would be hard to google.

Many people may know that the only TD scored in the first NFL championship game came about on a controversial jump pass by Bronko Nagusrski (because of the 5 yard rule) and that it led to the elimination of that rule (like how Brett Hulls goal in the Stars Stanly Cup win led to the changning of the crease rule). But most people don't know that the game was played indoors because of weather and that Dutch Clark coouldn't play for the Spartans because he had to start his winter job as women's BB coach at the University of Colorado.

Hardly anyone knows that the Man in Motion was started by accident when Red Grange forgot the snap count in practice and started running a pass pattern early. The first ever offensive coordinator, Clark Shaunessy saw how the defense reacted and decided to use it in games. That would be hard to google because I found that out while researching at the Hall of Fame and found a letter from Greasy Neale to a fan where he talks about the otigins of the "T".

You may be able to google to find out that Les Bingaman of the Detriot Lions was the first player in NFL listed at 300 pounds but google would not tell you the significancec which is that he appeared in the first year the league allowed unlimited substitution. Plyaers of that size couldn't play when they had to go both ways. Someone like Nate Newton would have died by the middle of the second quarter.

Roster size is the least noticed part of the evolution of the game. Each time the roster is expanded the range in players grows. The average weight in thr NFL is not much larger today than it was in 1932 but the range is much larger. today there are players at 150 lbsas well as 350 lbs. In 1932 the vast majority of players were about 6'2" 205. The size of Jerry Rice and Steve Young.

So there are many great questions that can't be found by googling.

I didn't say every question can be googled.

its not my fault people asked questions that can be googled. Trivia isn't knowledge, its a parlor trick.

I would probably beat Merril Hoge in a sports trivia contest but I can't break down a blitz coverage like he can.

I asked a question and you said anyone can answer that question, well 80% of the questions people asked could've been googled but you didn't reply "anyone can answer" that. This is a question that can probaly be googled anyways but try to answer it if you can :evilgrin: What NFL team drafted Joe Namath?

I'll try and remember. I think it was the Cardinals.

Who was the other QB the Jets drafted in the year they drafted Namath?

Who was the veteran QB they already had?

Who was the third string QB on their Super Bowl team?

Who was Don Maynards first team? Why did he fail there?

Why is Tom Matte such an asshole?

Who was the other QB the Jets drafted in the year they drafted Namath?

No idea
Who was the veteran QB they already had?
Was it Dick wood?

Who was the third string QB on their Super Bowl team?
No idea

Who was Don Maynards first team? Why did he fail there?
Easy one, New York Giants. My guess he caught less then 10 passes, but I am sure there is another reason.


Why is Tom Matte such an asshole?
No idea, but defination of asshole varies from people's personal opinions.

John Huarte of Notre Dame

Babe Parilli

Jim Turner the kicker

Maynard was a little slip of a guy and the Giants ran a three back T (as well as the "A" formation, which was ludicrous). He couldn't block well enough to play running back. When he went to the AFL he was able to play flanker.

My guess on Tom Matte would be the fact that he played for Woody Hayes but then again so did Paul Warfield so maybe he is just cranky about his haircut.

To play for teams that overcame the largest deficits to win in both college and the NFL???

Can't remember his first name but didn't he play for the Bills? :shrug:

of MAryland and Buffalo

....you too, VDem.

bringing it up during that game which is REALLY impressive.

What team did Jim Thorpe first play for(also in Ohio)?

that the answer is one and the same correct?

The Canton Bulldogs?

The first pro team in Ohio was the Massilon Tigers but You're right about the Jim THorpe question though.

But I have no idea if they were a pro football team, plus I don't know who was the first pro football team in Ohio. Is it the Akron Pros? :shrug:

What year did they start seperating Pro Bowl rosters into two groups instead of 4?

there is something I can say I really don't care about.

I would guess 1970, the year of the merger.

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