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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:23 PM
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Superstorm?
Has anyone else here read _The Coming Global Superstorm_ by Whitley Strieber and Art Bell? I know they're both wackos, but could there be anything to their theory--and did anyone else think of that book when they read about the LA hailstorm?

Tucker
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:28 PM
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1. I have nae read it...
However.. there is some movie about a Superstorm coming out next year...

COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT!
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:29 PM
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2. Read it, it's good!
If you like end-of-the-world fiction--and I bet you do--you'll like it, and there's some interesting stuff in it.

Tucker
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:34 PM
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5. End of the world fiction?
I confess I like to be terrified by end of the world or other disaster scenarios, like the Super tsunami "theory" that the Atlantic coast is in danger of getting washed over by a mile-high wave cause by a huge chunk of the Canary Islands or Cape Verde (I forget which) threatening to crash suddenly into the sea.
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Antilope Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:00 PM
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8. Actually, the World is going to freeze over.....
and we will all be picked to death by hungry Penguins.

By the way, what's that Penguin doing on the tele? ;)
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:02 PM
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10. I think it's molting.
Welcome to DU!

:toast:
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:29 PM
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15. BURMA!
Oh, I panicked.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:07 PM
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12. TIdal Wave factual
I don't have the link at hand but this was the topic of a real report some months ago. Basically, it involves a huge mass of an island sliding downhill into the ocean, causing one mother of a wave.

It would take out all of the east coast in a matter of hours.

Us Florida folks would have about enough time to kiss our asses goodbye and then it'll be

goodbye
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:26 PM
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14. Yes! There is a fault that if , or rather when...
the 10 million cubic yards of rock and earth slip into the Atlantic, there will be a HUGE tsunami. I do not think it will reach up a mile, but you can reast assured that 800-1000 feet would obviously devastae the East Coast, The Gulf Coast, So. America, etc.

As an aside, and I am a skeptic in matters like 'dream predictions', but the past few months I've had dreams of a tsunami that would be devastating. There is no particular 'spot' that I can determine it hits, but I am close a beach, and the terror is enough to make me wake up in a sweat. As I am in Northeast Nebraska, and beaches are kind of hard to find, I am hoping I will remain a skeptic in this matter.

:shrug:
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:39 AM
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21. Is that another Hollywood sequel...
...The Perfect Superstorm?

;-)
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commander bunnypants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:33 PM
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3. The weather is wierd
I blame it on Solar Flames. No not really I blame it on Bush's penis , DOH ,he does not have one.

I am confused now.

DDQM
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:33 PM
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4. I read it and thought it was very interesting.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:59 PM
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6. The hail worries me...
...in a "See? The thunderclouds are getting higher!" sort of way. :scared:

Tucker
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:00 PM
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9. That scary eh?
Should I be worried? :shrug:
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SiobhanClancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:00 PM
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7. I'd like to read it..
and I confess here that sometimes when I can't sleep I listen to that Art Bell/George Noory radio program...and I like it:)
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lynx rufus Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:03 PM
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11. I think your cat is zooming in on my kitty feast!
hope she likes Friskies Super Supper
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:12 PM
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13. The most plausible threat is of Europe plungeing into a new ice age
All it would take is having the Gulf Stream shift course -- and that is fairly likely to happen if the Arctic ice cap keeps melting.

There was an event of that sort just as the world was coming out of the last big ice age. It abruptly lowered winter temperatures in Europe by about 20 degrees F and kept them that way for over a millennium.

Nobody knows exactly what it would take to trigger a change in the Gulf Stream now -- but if it happens, it will happen virtually overnight and be irreversible. This is a very real (though generally unacknowledged) point of friction between "Old Europe" and the US.



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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:35 PM
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16. One of my "favorite" subjects
I post on it at least once a week.

Actually, though, I disagree with the premise of an actual global "superstorm", though Art and Whit present evidence that they do occur. But there is a staggering amount of scientific evidence that climate changes happen in periods of less than a decade. My own idea is that the next ice age will ramp up over a 5-20 year period. The superstorm described in the book was obviously fictional, but Streiber is a great writer, and I forgive him his literary excesses :)

My personal opinion is that the next great Ice Age started around 1800, when the CO2 levels started to rise. Whether this is connected to human activity remains to be seen, but in general, the Ice Ages are controlled by the Earth's orbital and rotational elements whether or not anything is burning.

I look for world temperatures to start to plummet as soon as the North Atlantic Thermohaline Circulation ("THC") fails. It has already weakened considerably, and the Polar (meterologic) Vortex has become much stronger since the mid-1990s. If you live in Great Britain, you should probably pay attention to this, since the climate of London will resemeble that of Novosibirsk when the NA THC fails.

About the movie, it's called The Day After Tomorrow, and is scheduled to be released on Labor Day weekend. The trailer is excellent, especially the last shot, which is breathtaking. If you don't have a high-speed connection, try to click on that option anyway, and fish the file out of your Temporary Internet Files cache. It's about 3.5 megs and is probably named "End Of The World<1>.swf"

I'm off and running right now, but I'll post more on this later if there is any interest. If you're interested in getting any of the scientific literature, send me a message -- I just D/Led several megs of monographs from the Potsdam Climate Institute in Germany (fortunately, most of the stuff has been translated into English).

Usually when I post about climate change or energy issues, I get about four responses. Considering that things have already started to change, I think it's important to understand just what we're facing.

--bkl
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Catfish Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:39 PM
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18. Interesting
I'd like to know more. I'm going to the gym but will check this thread later.
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:46 PM
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20. movie looks interesting..
I thought "deep impact" was a great film on apocalyptic type stuff, not so ridiculous like armegeddon.

i agree that last shot was really haunting.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:36 PM
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17. Is this the same Art Bell...
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 05:37 PM by Archae
That had on his radio show and promoted the CRAP out of the "Christian" reconstructionist and Y2K doomsday "prophet" Gary North?
(No relation to Oliver North.)

And Witless Streiber, who finds "alien abductees" in people that that are simply having nightmares?

No wonder it's simply FICTION.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:44 PM
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19. It's a real topic
Bell and Streiber present a "sexed up" version of it, but there is a significant amount of oceanographic and climatological data that support the idea that we are close to entering a new ice age. And the researchers who don't want to support that idea still maintain that the data found from previous climate changes is now close to being irrefutable.

Of course, this has all been swept under the rug of "Global Warming" and turned into a topic of ridicule by Republicans and commercial interests. But a brief search on Google using the key words "climate change thermohaline Milankovitch" will yield enough information to allow you to decide for yourself.

I'll be back around 715PM ET (0015Z) if anyone wants to discuss this in greater detail.

--bkl
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