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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:04 PM
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I can't stand it.... Logic and stats mean nothing to some folks....
Been over in GD and the Ohio Forum.....
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:13 PM
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1. Its the nature of the mind
Stats and numbers have no impact on experience (even if it is a mistaken understanding of experience).
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:31 PM
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6. It's just this elevation of Hackett into god like status
cause he ran a real good race against a wounded, mediocre republican harpy....

I like the guy and all, but why does he deserve special status over some other folks who are better qualified, proven vote getters and have solid name recognition....
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aePrime Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:15 PM
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2. Statistics are beautiful
but they get a bad rap because a) people don't understand them, and b) people abuse them, completely misinterpreting the results.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:33 PM
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8. I love stats... They are indeed beautiful....
Especially to an accountant....

I use stats to develop arguments and then add experience in as well...

I learned long ago, a combination of those two are almost unbeatable...

But when passion raises it's ugly head....
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:18 PM
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3. Gee - I'm sorry!
been sleeping ...
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Sannum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:19 PM
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4. those places are scary
:scared:
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:25 PM
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5. Logic is dead.
All that counts is an opinion that benefits you and selling it to a win. There is no right or wrong, just money and/or status and ego. Come on WC, catch up.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 10:31 PM
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7. Well, that seems to be the case.....
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 11:52 PM
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9. Sorry, my cynicism may be out of control.
Supposedly a cynic is a failed idealist. I don't think it's that black and white.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 12:18 AM
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10. It isn;t but going into an argument with a logical
base and augmented by stats use to be a great way to start...

But emotion, opinion and all that comes into to muck everything up...
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 12:31 AM
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11. A nation of lazy minds.
And fuzzy integrity. Defines republicans, but the biggest disappointment is when I see it here.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 01:06 AM
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12. It is maddening......
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 01:44 AM
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13. Going into an argument with logic and stats used to be
the beginning of a dialog. Or maybe not. Maybe it never was that way. Between 1841 and 1851 6 million people disappeared from Ireland, mostly due to laissez-faire economics which were supposedly based on logic.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:12 AM
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14. Logic can hide reality as emotion distorts.....
Going into an argument with logic and sound stats, makes it easier to keep emotion under control...

Well, there was a bit of racism and hatred and a desire to purge Ireland involved with that particular brand of logic...
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:53 AM
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15. You ok, WCGreen?
:hug:

I know how GD can be--hope it's not getting to you too much!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 02:57 AM
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16. I decided I needed to start sharpening my verbage
again, it is getting late in the year and I am going to be going to some parties where I will exected to spare with republicans...

Just over there testing...

I can hold my own against republicans, but to have to do battle with your own kind.....

Why that can be downright unnerving.....
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:06 AM
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17. You're a tough cookie, and very on the ball...
I know you can take them! ;)
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 03:10 AM
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18. thank you......
When I was with the Democratic Party, I was often asked to defend the party on local TV or radio shows....

It was fun.... I enjoyed doing battle....

this is crass, but it is funny...

When BEn Nighthorse left the demcratic party after the 1994 election, the announcement game while I was a guest on a conservative talk show....

the guy was all aglow and asked me what I thought of this....

And I said, well.... It looks like the republicans are gonna have to stop calling them Indians now and start using Native American instead....
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DrDoubleplusgood Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 04:27 AM
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19. Sond bites and slogans......
repeated over and over agian don't help, either.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 10:11 AM
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20. It all just shapens the discourse... Of course....
Welcome to our little corner of the world...
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