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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 12:47 PM
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If JFK's Murder Was A Conspiracy, Why Didn't Jackie O Speak Out?
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 12:47 PM by Magic Rat
I mean, if JFK's murder wasn't by Oswald. Why didn't Jackie O speak out and ask for a harder investigation into the murder of her husband?

Don't you think if she would have said something that the American people would have called the Warren report garbage and demanded another investigation?

I was born 15 years after JFK's assasination, so I'm asking people who were around and rememebr that time.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 12:53 PM
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1. They would have had her hauled off to a sanitarium and her children
kept from her "for their own good."
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 12:55 PM
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2. She may well have known
what happened, but for the good of the country let the official explanation stand.

Papers will be released on the whole thing 50 years from now or so.

When it won't matter what happened.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 01:45 PM
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9. I have often thought the same thing...
"for the good of the country", etc. However, I am positive that someone of Jackie's intellect, also knew that there were threats to her children as well. Just looking at what happened to many others that had first hand knowledge, and many of the witnesses on that day, would have made her think twice about passing off what knowledge she had.

Of course, there is always the very real possibility that in the "shock" of the moment, she simply blocked out many of the things that happened. This is a quite normal response to severe tramua. IO wopuld suppose, that like most people, some things were exceptionally vivid, but others were supressed subconciously.

With that said...refering back to Jackies intellect, I am sure, without the shadow of a doubt, that Jackie placed her toughts on paper someplace, and in the future, we might get a glimpse of what she thought that day. Let's not forget, she was looking to her right wqhen the fatal headshot hit home. There is no doubt in my mind, that at least her peripheral vision picked up what was going on at taht moment. She was looking at Jack, so I would suppose, that her attention was riveted to him, but it would have been very difficult not to pick up something from the right, IF there was something there.


I use the IF,although I believe that a shot came from the right front, I am not so sure it came from behind the fence, or from the storm drain.

:kick:

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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 12:59 PM
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3. Same question with RFK, Here's one perspective.
First -- I think it was to protect their children and themselves.

If the right wing killed JFK they can and will kill anybody.

Second -- the only way RFK could REALLY get the truth was to win the presidency. He tried. He would have won but they killed him too. All human history was changed forever.

At that point I think Jackie just wanted to protect her children. After all JFK was dead and protecting them was her priority. They had murdered two of those closest to her.

I believe that JFK Jr. would probably have busted this wide open (it was rumored he was running for office) and I believe he may have been a victim too.

I suspect she knew the truth and only wanted to make sure her children were safe and that she could protect them best by staying out of it.

I sure would like to ask Caroline that question, though.

Maybe it is just too unpleasant for them to think about.



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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 01:01 PM
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4. Too painful? My question is why Bobby & Teddy did not
press further. What were they told and what does Teddy know now, that we do not?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 01:03 PM
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5. My take
Just my speculation.

You don't remember, but Jackie Kennedy married a very, very wealthy man and moved her children to an island where they could grow up safely.

I cannot tell you who said it, so maybe it's just rumor, but I heard it was because she was scared to live in America at that time, and feared for the safety of her children.

You have to also remember that not only was her husband killed, but also her brother-in-law, Dr. Martin Luther King, Medgar Evans, and numerous unnamed martyrs in the war for civil rights and justice in the United States at that time.

The nation was very divided...much like now, except we are not at the level of open violence that occurred then. It is now a low-intensity civil war that the right is waging through legislative/political processes at a national level.

In addition, I believe that her will stipulates that 50 years after her death, or her children's death, her papers will be released.

Like so many events throughout history, I doubt the fullest understanding of these events will happen until long after all the participants of that time are dead.

Voting with her feet to get out of this country (for which she was pilloried in the press, btw) seems to me a pretty good indication that she didn't think this country at that time was a safe place for liberals to be.

From things I've read about the time, btw, she has no memory of crawling on the back of the car to retrieve a portion of her husband's brain and helping to haul a secret service agent onto the car.

Horrific events can often cause memory loss that lingers for many many years...it's the brain's defense against blunt psy. trauma.

Who knows what she remembered or didn't about that day?

The events are so heavily documented, who knows how she reconstructed that time in her own mind.

I don't.

However, I do know she loathed Johnson, according, again, to those who knew her.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 01:04 PM
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6. I don't think she had any political instincts
She wasn't like Eleanor Roosevelt or Roslyn Carter or Hillary Clinton. She was a pretty, young (only 34 at the time of the assassination) woman with an interest in clothing and in furnishing the White House.

People was somewhat dismayed when she married Aristotle Onassis, but I think that only showed where her real priorities lay.

She may truly not have cared who killed JFK or thought it mattered.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 02:19 PM
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11. Her real priorities
it's too bad that you bash her for moving out of this country and marrying someone who had so much money she could isolate her children from the right wing lunatics in this country.

You have to consider the time in which she was born and how she grew up. She was not raised to be an activist, like Eleanor, and it seems that she was a person who was most interested in the arts. As such, her interests were also international. The time in which Eleanor Roosevelt lived was long gone by the time Jackie Kennedy arrived.

The 30s were much more radical, with a much stronger opposition to forces of fascism and class struggle. The 60s had just come out of McCarthyism and the whole commie scare, a ploy which gave the ultra right a foothold they could exploit.

Kennedy himself was much more conservative than Roosevelt, and governed in a much more prosperous times. His life, too, reflected that change.

I think her priorites were protecting her children, and in her place, I could very well imagine doing the same thing. I think about moving from this country often, in fact, even though I am not rich, because of my children. I do not want them to think that America is the example of western democracy, because we are one of the most undemocratic western nations around at this time.

She did come back to America and worked as a book editor, guiding books such as the Diary of a Confederate Foot Soldier to publication.

She had a long-standing affair with a married Belgian businessman, as well, and considered no ones business that she did.

One size does not fit all in this world, as the recent history of first ladies has shown.

I admire her ability to remain focused on maintaining the dignity of her husband's memory in those sad times following his assassination. She did more than anyone else to set the tone for mourning in this nation, and helped all to come to terms by her example.

I was too young to fully understand what was going on, but I knew that a terribly sad thing had happened to my country, and I knew we had lost a great statesman, based upon her leadership in that time.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:28 PM
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13. Thank upu, RainDog. I was going to post the same.
Jackie worried her children were targets and plenty of whackos thought that the Kennedy children were spawns of Satan and wanted them dead.

Jackie married a man who had the money and connections to protect her and her children.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 01:05 PM
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7. A valid analogy...
When my 18 year old nephew was killed in March (auto accident), there was talk that he was forced off the road by the person he was racing (including paint from the other car on his car). When my brother heard this (his Dad), he just shrugged and said, "it won't bring my son back to me."

I've also heard that Jackie "preferred" to think that Jack was killed by a lone nut, opposed to an "entity," which would suggest his murder was sanctioned by a group of people...
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 01:42 PM
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8. If I was in her shoes, I would have been scared ...
... she was like, what, 34ish when Jack was murdered?

I think she went into protection mode. When Bobby was murdered, I know what it did to me ... and, I think I can see what it did to our country after all these years ... I think that that put her in full-protection mode ... so she could raise her children away from the madness that she was close to witnessing.

I personally believe the operation was vast, and that that directed her decisions.

I doubt if the events of November 22nd hadn't played out in her mind with all the rumors and prior threats ... threats against JFK were likely a daily reality ... no one is ever prepared for what happened; but, for such a young person, she carried herself with utmost dignity and grace ...







"I have been through a lot and have suffered a great deal. But I have had lots of happy moments, as well. Every moment one lives is different from the other. The good, the bad, hardship, the joy, the tragedy, love, and happiness are all interwoven into one single, indescribable whole that is called life. You cannot separate the good from the bad. And perhaps there is no need to do so, either." Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, 1994.

The image of Camelot for whatever it was or wasn't ... for me ... symbolized America as the shining city on the hill ... and, "they" shattered it ... and, we haven't been the same since.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 01:46 PM
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10. I remember watching a documentary on the History channel.
She had plenty of time to change out of her blood-spattered suit, but chose not to change, saying, No. I want them to see what they have done. Chilling.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 03:50 PM
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12. I just saw an interview with Nellie Connally (john's widow)
who has written a book about that day. Many will recall this, but she did testify before the Warren Commission, who, she said, tried to convince her that there were two shots. She was firm that there were three, but she does buy the Warren findings-- that Oswald acted alone. She wonders (though I really don't) whether the fact that Connally, in his former role, signed Oswald's dishonorable discharge was known to Oswald and by extension, whether John Connally was directly targeted...

So, I suppose if Connally's widow bought the official report, we shouldn't be surprised that Jackie may have. She may have NEEDED to.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:31 PM
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14. Maybe...
she was a little tired of his cheatin' ways and had him whacked herself.



No, no. Not serious. Entirely sardonic. Nothing to see here, move along.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:32 PM
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15. If it were a conspiracy . . .
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 08:33 PM by Jack Rabbit
. . . Mrs. Kennedy wouldn't have known anything about it. Consequently, she had nothing about which to speak out.

Mrs. Kennedy's silence proves nothing, one way or the other.

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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:51 PM
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16. This past week,
the Toledo Blade ran an article about Jackie. Apparently she confided in a priest that she was considering suicide after John was killed. I tried to access the site but it is down. From what this priest said, it seems to me like she didn't know what was going on. It was pretty heartwrenching.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 11:01 PM
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17. What makes you think she knew anything more than the
rest of us do/did?

I mean, she was certainly not stupid, but what evidence would she have had? Other than her testimony at hearings as an eye witness, what else would she know about?

I seriously doubt that JFK shared things that were not on the up and up with her.
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dofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 11:48 PM
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18. Jackie Kennedy was almost completely
non-political, despite the fact that Jack was already Senator when she married him and later became President. I believe she did not even vote before her marriage, and definitely did not vote in either 1964 or 1968.

According to "The Death of a President" by William Manchester, she did not have full memory of the events of the assassination, and what I know of the way memory is laid down, that makes a great deal of sense.

I don't claim to know what she believed or didn't believe about who actually killed JFK, but she was an intensely private person and simply not given to speaking up about anything at all. Other than interviews with Manchester when he was working on his book, I don't think she ever gave real, substantive interviews with anyone about anything during her life, and none whatsoever in the years after the assassination.

And she always said she didn't write anything down, didn't keep a diary, so forget that.
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