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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:39 AM
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Infinite vase? Closed vase? What's that thing called?
Does anyone know the name of the figure that connects to itself on the side of the vase? It has no opening...
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:40 AM
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1. GWB's lips on Cheney's puckered asshole?
/sorry
I hate non-answers too
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:48 AM
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2. Heh
Do you know the one I'm talking about, though?

Nice visual, btw. Thanks. Really. *gags*
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:10 PM
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3. I have no idea, but I can't stop staring at this:
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:13 PM
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4. I believe you're thinking of a Klein bottle.
Edited on Fri Nov-04-05 12:15 PM by Tyrone Slothrop
On edit: Here's some more info:

"In mathematics, the Klein bottle is a certain genus-1 non-orientable surface, i.e. a surface (a two-dimensional topological space), for which there is no distinction between the "inside" and the "outside" of the surface. The Klein bottle was first described in 1882 by the German mathematician Felix Klein. It is closely related to the Möbius strip and embeddings of the real projective plane such as Boy's surface.

Picture a bottle with a hole in the bottom. Now extend the neck. Curve the neck back on itself, insert it through the side of the bottle (a true Klein bottle in four dimensions would not require this step, but it is necessary when representing it in three-dimensional Euclidean space), and connect it to the hole in the bottom."

from wikipedia

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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:17 PM
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5. huh...well, I've learned something today...thx!
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:43 PM
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20. How do you drink beer out of that thing?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:46 PM
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6. THANK YOU!
:yourock:

:loveya:
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:47 PM
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8. No problemo
I've been fascinated by the concept of the Klein bottle since I was a child.

I'm just glad that that was the topographical nightmare you were looking for.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 03:01 PM
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10. Yep, the very same.
I was looking up at the stars last night, thinking about the concept of infinity... that got me wondering if the symbol for infinity is somehow related to the mobius strip, and that got me thinking about this bottle (which for some reason I wanted to call a vase :eyes:).

Thanks again!
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:06 PM
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7. wtf . . .
:overmyhead:
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:53 PM
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9. In 3D, you would have to be able to pass the neck through the bottle
with no intersection. Thus the 3D representations are not true Klein bottles.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 03:04 PM
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11. I can't wrap my head around the true Klein bottle, then.
Can't think in 4D. :(
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:38 PM
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12. Get with the program!
All the cool kids are conceptualizing in 4D these days!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:44 PM
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13. I want to, I really do!
I'd love to!

I just can't find anyone patient enough to try to explain it to me. :P
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:17 PM
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14. There are various ways to conceptualize 4-D
but this forum is not the ideal set-up to explain it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:24 PM
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15. Yeah.
My luck. :(
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:34 PM
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16. Here's a pretty good article on the Klein bottle.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:35 PM
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17. Ohhhhh ouch!
Pretty pictures, eh?

:spank:

Hehe... sorry... you were probably just sayin, but I totally read that as "hey it's got picutres!" like I'd say to my daughter to get her interested in a book. :P

Thanks. :)
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:39 PM
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18. Neato
Thanks for sharing! I learned something today! :)
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:41 PM
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19. Anytime
always happy to spread a little math around.

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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 06:15 PM
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21. Ooh, I like that....
Did you make it, or find it someplace? I played around a little with fractal programs, but never enough to make anything that cool!
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 06:16 PM
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22. Naaah, just found it
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