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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:00 PM
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And then they all died... Movies that end badly.
We watched Reservoir Dogs last night. It is still one of my favorite Tarantino movies, but you just have to admit--it ends up badly. They ALL die. Not just the really awful guys--but even just the average bad ones. EVERYONE in the movie dies...

Then I started thinking about it. There are more than a few movies and plays that end badly. Hamlet ends badly. Romeo and Juliet is not exactly a lighthearted romp either. In popular movies there are more than few that end up with most of the main characters (and sometimes even the peripheral characters!) dead by the time the credits roll.

The Keep has an unhappy ending--but at least they die for principles, the same thing could be said of any number of other war movies, I guess...

Anyhow, to get to my point: What movies do you really like that end badly? WHY do we watch them?



Laura
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:04 PM
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1. Because there's no way in hell every movie should end "good"
Life doesn't always end "good", and being that movies are art, MORE movies should end badly than there currently are.
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:07 PM
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2. The Great Silence
the hero and all the hostages are gunned down by the bounty killers.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:10 PM
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3. I despise movies like that, and think deaths are a huge copout.
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 02:13 PM by tjdee
It basically says to me "gee, I couldn't figure out what to do here...so they die" or more generally "look how realistic and emotional I can make this. Someone dies!"

:puke:

There are exceptions of course. Romeo and Juliet had to die, as a comeuppance for the families. In Reservoir Dogs that rocked, that they *all* die. I thought that was different and very, very cool.

The ridiculous bloodbath at the end of Hamlet annoys me....I think it was basically about not leaving any of that psycho lot to rule Denmark, but geez.

There seems to be a trend in "serious" films today that no one can ever be happy at the end, and someone has to be miserable. That's how you know it's a "serious" film. Million Dollar Baby, Boys Don't Cry, American Beauty, etc. etc.

It irritates me.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:38 PM
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16. that was what struck me when I first read Shakespeare
everyone always dies at the end. That was new for me, and I did not like it at all. Hemingway does the same thing, except the death comes out of nowhere, and for no reason. To me, it is that Hemingway does not know how to end a story and is contemptuous of a happy ending. Happiness is, to some, corny and unrealistic, ugliness and death are real.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:22 PM
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33. Only Shakespearean Tragedies end that way
His comedies all end with weddings...sometimes mass weddings.

His historical plays end with a mixture of failure and success for the main characters.
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:49 PM
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40. In Elizabethen drama,
and in much later drama, it was important to restore the "rightness" of things. Wrongdoing had to be punished, or else the world was out of balance.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:57 PM
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47. In tragedies, death certainly comes for a reason
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 08:58 PM by mitchum
Perhaps death is real because it happens to us all
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:12 PM
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4. What gets to me now, is I can't go to an independent
movie with out thinking there is going to be some kind of gruesome death coming up... Just to manipulate me...

I was waiting in Garden State... Even Napoleon Dynamite...

Seriously, these american "independent" directors "explore" death far too much....
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:13 PM
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5. "The Wild Bunch"...
and the fact that it ends "badly", is one of the factors that contributes to its greatness.
Most of my favorites end "badly":
Aguirre, The Wrath of God
The Godfather
Star 80
Midnight Cowboy
Taxi Driver
and many more
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:27 PM
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10. Yea, but you knew these movies going in
were going to end badly....
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:44 PM
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20. and most of my favorites don't
It's a Wonderful Life
Back to the Future
Star Trek IV
Wizard of Oz
The Breakfast Club

I have not even seen any on your list.
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:46 PM
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21. Godfather? You think "Godfather"
ended badly??? I think that ending is terrific. Chilling.

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:52 PM
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46. Notice my use of italics around "badly"...
I agree that the ending is chilling and terrific
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:16 PM
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6. American Beauty. It is a shame that lester backs down when about to...
realize his goals. The ending would have been much cooler if the wife had caught him in the act and splattered his brains all over the naked Mena Suvari. But no, they had to have the deranged neighbor shoot him.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:21 PM
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7. I didn't realize that Mr. Pink died, I thought it was ambiguous on that.
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Rufus T. Firefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:29 PM
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12. There is the one gunshot, then a flurry of gunfire
and Mr. White goes down, as in 1) White shoots Pink, 2) Cops shoot White. Besides, I think Pink had pretty much bled out.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:31 PM
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13. Pink was hiding in the corner and took the bag and ran at the end
He was not part of the standoff
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JJackFlash Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:12 PM
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50. That's right, Mr. Pink made off with the loot
I was freaked out by the violence level in Reservoir Dogs when I first saw it, but now it's one of my favorites.
I knew a guy exactly like the mobster's son - it was uncanny.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:39 PM
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17. The police were waiting and he ran outside.
You are told that the police ARE there and they are waiting on Joe (the bossman of the caper) to show up. That whole scene where Mr Orange blows away Mr Blond and then tells the cop he's undercover is where they set it all up. He clearly establishes the fact that the area is sealed off by cops.

Joe shows up, it goes to hell in a very short time and you see Mr Pink run out with the loot. While Mr White is going thru his own personal agony with Mr Orange you hear a huge amount of gunfire outside where Mr Pink just ran out...

I had no doubt that Mr Pink was dead.



Laura

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:41 PM
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19. Yeah, they probably got him. Bummer
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:23 PM
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8. "Swimming With Sharks'.
The Chick who meant well and was just trying to help the guy dies and the assholes live and prosper.

A very disturbing movie.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:26 PM
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9. requiem for a dream, house of sand & fog
jennifer connelly on her hopeless streak
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:28 PM
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11. arlington road had a sucky ending
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 02:29 PM by Blue_Tires
chinatown also left me wanting
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:32 PM
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14. The ending of Kill Bill 2 annoyed me
Sure it was neat that Pei Mei taught Beatrice the Five Point Palm-exploding Heart Technique ... but a long moonlit sword-fight on the beach would have been a lot cooler.
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Merrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:33 PM
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15. American History X
Saddest ending ever.

And I suppose I watch such movies because the endings wouldn't be so sad if they weren't great movies to begin with. If the movie was rubbish I certainly wouldn't give half a crap whether the character died or not. I think Edward Furhlong's death in AHX was so affecting because I related so strongly with him which is the product of excellent character development/filmmaking
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TheProphetess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:40 PM
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18. I agree
I love the movie but it is depressing as hell. Just when you start to think there is hope for that family.
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:50 PM
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22. i really don't feel bad for the kid.
yeah yeah give me that he's reformed crap, but he died. and i didn't feel a thing.
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Merrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:29 PM
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34. Bravo to the man who achieved perfection by the age of 15
I get having a no-tolerance attitude for people who maintain their racist attitudes into adulthood, but this was a young kid growing up in a disfunctional family in a racially charged neighborhood with a father and a powerful, charismatic older brother who helped indoctrinate him into the skinhead gang, which, as gangs do, gave him an identity, a sense of power, friends, etc. and yet he still overcame it eventually.

Maybe you were a particularly erudite adolescent, but I afford some fuck up room for kids growing up in fucked up situations - white, black or whatever.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 03:01 PM
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23. Longtime Companion
Everyone dies because Reagan dragged his feet. You watch it because you can't help but confront the fact that Americans viewed this as a gay disease and the power players/ (im)moral majority said "good riddance to bad rubbish"
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 03:13 PM
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25. I'd forgotten that movie.
I saw it in the theater and loved/hated it at the same time. It was cathartic, really, but so very painful...

God, what a horrible time that was to live thru. So many are gone that I loved.


Laura
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 03:33 PM
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27. Those were awful times.
If Ronald Reagan is not rotting in hell it's because he forgot.

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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 03:12 PM
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24. Carlito's Way
which also has a nice resonance with the "keep pulling me back" line from the Godfather saga, but it's still kind of a Von Ryan's Express type of ending.

True Love, where only the two principals get away

The aforementioned Castle Keep, and the Bridges of Toko Ri.

And of course, Dr. Strangelove. (Talk about an ending where everyone dies...)

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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 03:15 PM
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26. Any other movies you want to spoil for me?
Jeez
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 03:44 PM
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28. I'm assuming you're joking,
since the title of the thread clearly indicated there would be discussion of movie endings. But while I'm on the subject, and in no particular order:

The chick is really a dude.
It's made out of people.
Virgil has been lying all along.
He's actually back on Earth.
Darth is his dad.
It's the name of his sled.

More to come as I think of them...
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 03:53 PM
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29. Oh GREAT!!
Great now I'm going to have to make a whole new list on NetFlix.
:rofl:
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:10 PM
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30. Oh--and then they hold hands and drive off the cliff... N/T
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:32 PM
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42. the witch gets splashed with water
and she melts
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 06:40 PM
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43. Some more...
His mother has been dead for quite some time.
Alternately: his mom is the killer.
The dog and the boy eat the girl.
The phone calls have been coming from inside the house.

Oh, and up above, when I said "Virgil," of course I meant to say "Verbal."
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:13 PM
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31. William Holden died in many of his movies
Reading these titles I was struck by how many Bill is in, so i'll add one. I don't remember the name, it's a western prison camp during the civil war. There's a prison break, bill and his detail catch up with the escapees only to trapped by apache indians. They hole up in a depression and after fighting off a couple of charges the apaches start to rain down arrows from all directions zeroing in on them.
I guess it's a matter of perspective if I were a native american I'd probablly cheer, but as it was I hated the end of that movie.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:18 PM
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32. To say they end "badly" is an unfair judgment call
equating it with "wrong". It's not wrong for everyone to die at the end, if that makes sense in the context of the story and the intent of the artist.

I'm bothered by this kind of language.

To me, a movie that ends "badly" is a movie that has an ending that's a piece of shit; that's either contrite, overwraught, completely against the story-line, or just otherwise awful.

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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:44 PM
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38. How about it ends badly for the characters?
Maybe that would clear up the intent--however it is too late to edit the OP.

My intent was not to criticize the writing of the scripts, but rather to convey the idea that nobody ended up left alive or happy by the end of the film...

Frankly, some of these endings were a blaze of glory--but still everyone you cared about in the film died... Good films, but not exactly the ending where everyone lives happily ever after.



Laura
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 07:00 PM
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44. That's what I thought when I read the subject line
I was gonna nominate "Killing Me Softly" starring Heather Graham and Joseph Fiennes. The friend that talked me into watching that apologized after it was over. I'll pass on any film involving incest and mountain climbing gear used during sex.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:00 PM
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48. In "Heathers" they all died and it ended "goodly"
:D
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Merrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:30 PM
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35. Heat
one of those films that make you kinda root for the bad guy, then ruthlessly kills them all.
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Atlas Mugged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:43 PM
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36. 'Bent'
Since I originally saw it as a play I knew how it ended, but that didn't stop me from being stunned.

When I saw it as a play (with Richard Gere) the entire audience just sat there, speechless, for several minutes. Applause started v-e-r-y slowy and then was a standing ovation.
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:44 PM
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37. "night of the Living Dead"
Ben wards off the undead all night, only to be shot in the head by the zombie hunters.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:50 PM
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41. Tragic as hell
but it's a magnificent ending IMO. Especially the parallels with a lynch mob sacking a black guy.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:46 PM
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39. Gallipoli
And here's the weird part. It's one of the greatest anti-war movies ever made, but it was produced by Rupert Murdoch, whose not exactly known for his pacisfism.
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 07:19 PM
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45. The Perfect Storm n/t
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nashbridges Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:04 PM
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49. "The Keep"? You sir, have just reaffirmed
my faith in humanity. I have yet to meet another person who has even seen the movie.

My father (a vietnam vet) loved that movie because he envied being able to make a principled stand against something so evil it was easy to know you were on the good side. We used to watch it on VHS every year when the mood struck him.

It probably isn't that good when compared objectively to other movies, but man will I defend it 'til I die.
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JJackFlash Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:13 PM
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51. Night of the Living Dead
is the only movie I can think of where EVERYONE died - even the girl.
Fear is the most primal emotion.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:16 PM
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52. Open Water
The couple are both eaten by sharks. What a happy fucking movie.

House of Sand and Fog: the very few characters who survived that movie genuinely wished they were dead. Most of the audience was ready to end it all as well.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:56 PM
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61. oh yeah, Open Water messed with me
I nearly jumped off a bridge after watching it. Plus, the female lead looks kinda like a good friend of mine. It was a tad disturbing. Did not like that movie.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:00 PM
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53. Selena
The movie about that Tejano singer who was gunned down at age 24.

What a waste. :cry:
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:16 PM
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54. Easy Rider
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 10:16 PM by Prisoner_Number_Six
Having the heroes shot by anonymous rednecks driving by in a pickup truck- I guess it makes a point, and makes it well, but it's still an extreme bummer.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:20 PM
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55. That's not true.
We never know what happens to Mr. Pink and I like it that way.
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:20 PM
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59. If you listen closely,
you can here Mr. Pink yell to the cops "I've been shot, goddamnit" or something along those lines. My theory is that he survives and takes the fall for the heist.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:23 PM
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56. I thought it ended great!!!
Happy endings come rarely and should not be expected by the masses. The good guy doesn't always "live happily ever after."
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:27 PM
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57. Thank you
Can you imagine if every movie ended happily? It'd be so boring.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:31 PM
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58. So many already do that disappoint me.
How many do you know that "believe" the "American dream" is something that should be given on the ol' "silver platter"
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:32 PM
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60. Quills.
No one gets out of that one healthy, whole or happy.
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