You know, once upon a time, I *liked* Led Zeppelin.

I was 10 and eleven when I was in my hardcore Zeppelin phase.

Classic rock radio ruins every fucking thing it touches. Overexposure has killed any enjoyment I might nowadays glean from the Zep; now whenever their tunes come on the radio, I turn the station. I can't even get into Bonham's incredible drumming anymore, they're so pervasive and annoying!

Plus, once I heard the original versions of the blues tunes they covered, I felt a little (okay, A LOT) pissed about the royalties Zep absconded with. Fuck, these fops will die overfed, overstimulated, overrich and white, while the bluesmen they ripped off will die respected, poor, black and forgotten. That ain't justice.

I left my adolescence behind with my, uh, adolescence. You move on, you know....there's WAY better bands out there. I know so many people still hung up on Led Zeppelin, it's pathetic.

quartered, with the crusts cut off, for lunch every day. branch out people...

if only guys knew how stupid they looked doing it.

to "The Ocean", good times yes good times.

Heard him interviewed on Fresh Air by Terry Gross. "Oh, that's the way it was, all these guys were borrowing from eachother. They'd change things a little and you had a new song." Gross didn't ask the obvious follow-up: what about the guy you stole Dazed & Confused from? You ripped off the whole song, changed the lyrics a bit, and collected royalties. Plant is a fuckwit.

Was planning to sue Page when the first album came out, but then backed off because he didn't think Zep was going to be so huge, I'm sure he regrets that decision now, seeing as only record collecting geeks and folk music hounds can remember the name "Jake Holmes," while every Cliff, Sammy, and Norm in the US knows who Led Zeppelin are.

Thus proving your point nicely.

Whole Lotta Love is a rip off of "You Need Love" by Muddy Waters, credited to Willie Dixon, but also partly written by guitarist Earl Hooker who recorded it as an insturmental track originally

The thing is, except for "Stairway", "Whole Lotta Love" was their biggest song. and it is a complete rip off. The only really original part is the noise/orgasmic wailing part in the middle

and Jimmy Page was a "guitar hero".

Now I look at them as a bunch of prissy englishmen stealing bluesmen's work, jimmy page's guitar being lackluster and entirely dependant on the studio and then there is all the 14 year old girls jimmy boned.

But the fucker up and died in 1 9 8 0 (!!!!) That's twenty-five years ago! So much has happened since then!

Shit, it's as if Black Flag never existed.

now Greg Ginn was a guitarist! I used to have a shitload of Black Flag stuff. I used to play hardcore and always tried to get a good Greg Ginn solo of noise, dissonance and distortion, but I never could take it as far as he could.

But, I digress, the member of Zeppelin with the most talent was John Paul Jones. As a bass player, he was light years ahead of the rest of the band musically---almost into Entwhistle territory, but Bonham couldn't touch Moon or Mitch Mitchell or Bill Ward of Black Sabbath

"My War." THAT'S heavy.

I have to disagree; JPJ was a good bass player, but Bonham was incredibly innovative if only for the timbral qualities of his drums. They were all good musicians, but no matter: they are dead to me now. Talking about Zeppelin nowadays is like discussing the merits of "Hardcastle and McCormick" vs. "Knight Rider:" remnants of a bygone age, rusted, silly machines long past relevance.

I vaguely remember H and McC, but I used to watch knight Rider alot. I loved that show when i was a kid.

HandM had a WAAAAAY better theme song, though: "Ride! Ride like the demon that drives your dreams!" Better, in fact, than most LEd Zep songs....Plant couldn't TOUCH those lyrics.

Robert Plant's voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me. All the shrieking and wailing he engages in doesn't sound passionate or heartfelt, it just sounds painful, like he's passing a kidney stone. I never understood why the hordes of prepubescent boys (and the occasional girl)worshiped at his altar.

As for the music, I just find it boring and overblown. I know, I know, Jimmy Page is god, Bonham is god, etc, but gods or not, they still can't hold my interest for more than 3 1/2 minutes, if that. I'd much rather listen to the real blues they ripped off than imitation English white boy blues any day.

:rant:

Either that or some sexually stunted groupie with mental problems and a predeliction for drawing unicorns all over your schoolbooks...or perhaps a culinary student who fakes her name in the emergency room.

I didn't like them when I was in my teens and that hasn't changed as I grew older.

Though I have to admit, I do love this: http://www.linsenbach.com/NEW/vahalla.htm

he had that cucumber in his trousers!

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Led Zeppelin is the best out there and I've been a fan since I was 12. It hasn't changed, never was there a band out there that I thought "Gee, this is better than Led Zeppelin"

Get over yourself!

Please elaborate.

They made millions by stealing the music of the REAL blues players, guys who played in shitty little shacks and lived lives of debilitating poverty. Strange that your progressive values don't extend to musicians.

and I still love Led Zeppelin. I know about the music, hell I know about the mudfish and all the other stuff. And I still love this band. They've dealth with the issue about the music time to move on it's such an old story.

They are talented musicians with a remarkable library of music. And because of Bonham's death they ended on a high note before they became total sellouts like THe Stones or THe WHo.

:D

It wasn't one of Plants better solo works but I'm extremely pleased with "Mighty Rearranger"

Dealt with the issue? That's a laugh.

Don't mind me, I'm on a Powertrippin fix this week :shrug:

Their album "King of the Road" has a song called "No Dice" that I cannot extract from my head right now.

I like the idea of Monster Magnet more than the execution, although I thought it was cool how they basically invented Stoner Rock by being REAL stoners.

Dave Wyndorf doesn't burn. Maybe he did *way* back when, but I have intel from another stoner band that offered to burn him down, and he was not pleased, and went into a whole spiel about how he hated drugs. This was several years ago.

TOTALLY with you on the Fu - "Urethane" from "The Action is Go" has such a genuis riff - I used to annoy the shit out of my bandmates by warming up with that tune at like every practice 'til they wanted to chase me down with torches.

Led Zeppelin song on the radio. This happened for a solid week, even tuned to different stations! It got to be rather unnerving. Now, it is a family joke for who can say "Change the channel!" first.

I don't listen to commercial radio much anymore, just because of that overexposure factor, so I haven't been bombarded with Zep like you have.

So every now and then, cruising home I slip in my Houses of the Holy CD, or some other Zep album and have at it. Loads of fun, like any other oldies I like are.

Always thought that they were a pretty good band, not the be all and end all of rock, but they were alright.

Only time radio is on is when I wake up in the morning and to be honest, Led Zeppelin isn't a part of WXPN play rotation (Public radio - more indie music).

Blasting out of the radio alarm are long gone. I prefer things a little mellower now to wake up to, jazz, classical, news.

And commercial radio just sucks. Same things over and over, no indie stuff, just the same crap that's being played all over the country.

Thus, I no longer get burned out on anything, thank god.

I save the hard rocking for after I've got coffee in me;)

I mean, I know I'm not going to be keen about whatever the bring in to replace him. And I hate most morning radio because it's all talk with an overplayed song every 15 minutes.

WXPN is probably one of the best college radio stations out there (University of Pennsylvania) and worth a listen!

Give these two stations a listen. The non-NPR college(University of Missouri) station, KCOU. Back in the day when I was dj-ing there, we were the number one college station in the country(and the reason that Arbitron started putting college stations into their rating system), and they're still pretty good now.

The second is our community station, KOPN. A very good eclectic mix of music, and can be lots of fun to listen to.

crazed youth. On a long commute home, Zep can be a lot of fun. An escape. But I don't take it too seriously.

Think of Zep as the stuffed pepper in the olive bar of life. Sometimes you just have to try it again.

At all, and growing up in Clevo in the 70's, that was sacrilige.

If I wanted to listen to blues-based hard rock, I listened to Mike Bloomfield or Paul Butterfeild..

That was as punk as anything by The Stooges or The Velvet Underground.

That is all.
The Professor

You sure know how to suck the joy out of something don'tcha? x(

Don't listen to "Classic rock radio"

:o

I almost used that exact wording in my response!

People upset about how Led Zep mistreated bluesmen should check out the Music Maker Relief Foundation, a group that helps out musical pioneers who have been ripped off by "The Man." Just my opinion and I could be wrong.

Probably the best band ever, song for song and musician for musician.