Ex-Cowboy arrested and in other news Eagles file complaint against Cowboys

I find irony in both of these. Michael Irvin was the prototype talented but asshole wide receiver who ultimately the Eagles ended his career. And in other news Cowboy's owner Jimmy Jones goes on the radio saying he would inquire about signing disgraced Eagle Terrell Owens, a direct violation of NFL policy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051128/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_irvin_arrested;_ylt=AnfotPSPoNFCsFA2X2o7a1M5.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA4aTcxZmtlBHNlYwMxNjk4

Ex-Cowboy Michael Irvin Arrested in Texas

Dallas Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin was charged with misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia after police searched his vehicle during a traffic stop, Plano police said Sunday.


Irvin, an ESPN analyst and semifinalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, was arrested on an outstanding warrant for speeding in Irving after being pulled over Friday afternoon for speeding in Plano, the Plano Police Department said. Police spokesman Mike Johnson said he didn't know what kind of paraphernalia was found.

Irvin paid a fine on the speeding ticket and posted bond on the drug paraphernalia possession charge. He was released about an hour after he was pulled over.


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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051128/sp_nm/nfl_owens_dc

Eagles file complaint against Cowboys for Owens approach

Philadelphia Eagles have lodged a complaint against the
Dallas Cowboys after the Texan team's owner Jimmy Jones implied during a radio interview he would be interested in signing suspended receiver
Terrell Owens.


NFL rules prohibit "any interference by a member club with the employer-employee relationship of another club or any attempt by a club to impermissibly induce a person to seek employment with that club or with the NFL."

On a radio show, Jones admitted that he was often interested in acquiring players like Owens.

"In general, I am a risk-taker. We've gone down that road," Jones said when asked if the Cowboys would be interested in Owens.

BTW, Jimmy Jones - you can have that asshole!!! If Terrell keeps it up he'll be a Michael Irvin Jr probably heading down the road of obsoletion!

He is the greatest living American.

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And for fuck's sake, how big a dumbass is Michael Irvin?

Chris Berman sighed noticeably when he made the annoucement today. He said Irvin was expected to have an announcement later tonight. If I had to guess I'd say he will resign from his TV gigs or at least ask for a leave.

Just last week Irvin was on Jimmy Kimmel Live and got named to the Hall of Fame list. Now this resurrects all his past troubles and justifiably so. He got a big break on The Best Damned Sports Show and that could have led to a 20+ year career. Still might, but now who knows? You wonder why they don't just leave all the goodies tucked away at home.

I missed it.

I watched it primarily for the Grey Cup highlights then out of nowhere Berman sighed and made a very formal statement about Irvin. It was basically a summary of what LynneSin pasted atop this thread. Berman didn't give any personal opinion he just read the brief statement, saying it was a misdemeanor charge and happened Friday afternoon. At the very end he said Irvin was expected to release a statement tonight.

This game is a dog with fleas, so I've avoided it.

So, he might have had some recreational drugs.

What is the BIG FUCKING DEAL?

just paraphenelia. He probably had a one-hitter or something in his car.

And why the fuck are they searching his car for a routine traffic stop...most likely b/c he is Michael Irvin.

It is a sad day when a guy loses his job b/c some asshole cops arrest him for what should not even be a crime. Sad Sad Day!!!!

Then the evidence won't be admitted. And it won't be a big deal. More likely however, he probably let them do it.......because he's dumb.

There are no 4th amendment protections any more.

I've seen it WAAAAAAAAAAAY too many times. Cops ask if they can search the car, and stupid criminals always say yes. End of story. I would bet money that's what happened.

if ESPN decides it is a firing offense, "technicalities" won't matter. Hell, look at how people who don't like the guy are using it to jump on him here at DU. Having a pipe in his car should not subject him o public ridicule, especially when there are probably more Americans who have had a pipe in the car at some point than thse who have not. Society's high and mighty attitude about drugs is a farce.

I really could care less if he's got a pipe in his car. It's not like I don't know that he's done it in the past. His PRIOR drug use certainly didn't temper ESPN's hiring process, so why would it matter now. What SHOULD get him fired from ESPN is not his occaisional drug use, but his shitty on air personality. He drives me nuts... I can't watch him.

All I'm disputing is this irrational fear that the black op cops have somehow breached a cherished fundamental right by searching his car. If they did it without a legal basis, then one of two things is true 1) It won't be admitted and he won't be prosecuted or 2) He allowed them to do it and has no right in bitching about them finding it.

. . . the cop would probably have said, "I smell drugs," and they would have called in the sniffing dogs.

But for the fact that he is Michael Irvin and has been arrested for drugs in the past, I venture to guess that he would not have been asked to let cops search his car.

Why NOT ask? The driver has every right to say no. And without some basis or warrant, they won't be able to.

If I was a policeman, knowing that many people will be stupid enough to LET me search their car, I would be asking each and every person if I could search their car.

The cop did not ask to search my car. this was not my first time to be pulled over. In fact it has happened to me several times and I havenever had anyone ask to search my car. My wife has alos been pulledover and never has the cop asked to search her car.

I would be interested to see if their is any correlation to the race of the person pulled over to the request to search. I'm guessing there is no hard data on this, but I think we all know the answer.

Of course the cop is motivated to ask to search. Drug convictions are trophies for them. That does not make it right.

That does not make it right

Nor does it make it unconstitutional.

I'm not saying that every cop WILL ask to search the car, I'm just saying that they can. There is NOTHING wrong with asking to search it. If the occupant is too stupid to allow it, then I have no problem with it.

So what, I understand the 4th Amendment issues, that shit was pounded into my head in law school. The 4th amendment search and seizure cases are totally irrelevant to the point I am making.

I'm talking about how drug convictions, particularly against high profile people, are trophies for cops, when they should not be. Who cares about the mechanism by which they got access to the car and found the pipe, the thing that is disconcerting to me is that they think it is important to search the car in the first place.

The media then jumps all over it as evidence of what a bad person Irvin is, when reality is that most of them do smoke pot now or have smoked it in the past.

The feigned outrage over someone having a pipe in his car is silly.

You're pissed because the police are doing their job in a manner you think isn't consistent with their purpose. I don't think they are. I think they are doing what they are supposed to do. If they suspect they might find something, asking moronic people like Michael Irvin whether they have drugs in their car and whether they can search it is AOK with me.

I won't dispute the fact that there is certainly a bias and that the police most likely search cars belonging to minorities as opposed to Dick and Jane Whiteguy, and I do have a problem with that. But did you ever think about the fact that the police may have known who Michael Irvin was? He's no newcomer to the legal process and his face is fairly recognizable. If they did, they probably know about his past problems with drugs. Why not ask him? If the police pull somebody ELSE over that they know has had issues with drugs in the past, they probably will ask them to search the car too. And they should. Under your rationale, should the police ONLY pull over people with lower profile and ONLY ask those people if they can search their car...just so noone thinks they are getting a "trophy" arrest? Or are you saying that the police just should ignore the person's past altogether because of this crock, idealistic notion that drug enforcement isn't, or shouldn't be their job.

Whether you want them to be or not, drugs are illegal. The legislators have said so and the voters haven't rebelled yet in reprisal. The job of the police force to to stop people from doing illegal things and until the laws change, drugs fall under that definition. If there is a bias against the rich or high profile, so be it... they do illegal shit too.

The media then jumps all over it as evidence of what a bad person Irvin is, when reality is that most of them do smoke pot now or have smoked it in the past. This is hyperbole and you have absolutely no numbers, facts or evidence to prove that it's true. The media, it's no suprise, publishes stories that people will read. That's all. It just so happens that people want to know about high profile losers like Mr. Irvin. People like to read about how someone with so much, can repeatedly do things that are stupid.

In my opinion, this "feigned outrage" over the police's mysterious alterior motive in searching Michael Irvin's car, a man who has been caught numerous times in the past with cocaine, is silly.

Like I said before, I don't care if he has a pipe in his car. I don't care that he did drugs in the past. And I hoenstly don't think the ESPN is going to care one ioda about what happens in this situation (they didn't care about his priors when they hired him). But accusing the police of not doing their job, or doing it incorrectly, in a veiled attempt to preach about how drugs SHOULD be legal, or less than important, is so tired.

marijuana. Extrapolate from that the many people in the media have as well. I can think of several media personalities that I know first hand have smoked pot. I feel quite confident that I am correct that many people in the media have or do smoke pot.

I'm not pissed and I have no "feigned outrage" over the search except to note that there is most likely a prejudice in who is searched (something you agree with) and the fact that they feel compelled to search in the first place is just one more vestige of our failed "war on drugs".

I think the cops knew exactly who Irvin is and that is why he was searched. That kind of makes my point. The motivation to search him was not beacuse he was a danger to the communitty. the search was motivated by the desire for a high profile drug arrest. Our prisons are full of people who serve exceedingly long sentences for non-violent drug offenses. It is all part of this irrational approach to drugs called the "war on drugs."

Go back and read our posts. You have this myopic focus on the 4th amendment and I am talking about the entirely different issue of irrational drug policy.

There is no veiled attempt to argue that drugs should be legal. I directly challenge the rationality of our current drug laws. They don't work and provide incentives to cops to focus on meaningless arrests in terms of protecting public safety.

I believe the failure of our current policy on drugs is less in the investigation and arrest aspects, and more in prosecution and sentencing.

I don't really think the police are doing anything wrong by asking to search a car of a known drug offender. I have absolutely no problem with that. The failure of the system is when they only find a pipe and some residue and they throw the book at him. That isn't right. There must be something better. But that's quite different from not inquiring about them at all. That's asking the police to not do their job, which is supposed to be investigation.

Likewise, you can argue about the correct definition of "public safety" and the wisdeom of the current method of enforcement all you want. But so long as drugs are illegal to possess and use, their control falls under the definition of defending "public safety". And I would HOPE that the police force would do their job and not make personal policy decisions based on who their stopping and whether they're famous or not. After all, it's not up to them. IF the laws are to change, it should be done by the lawmakers. And, as I said before, the voters haven't revolted in a manner which would show they are entirely displeased with how it's working.

As for your concern about whether Irvin will get a bad rap for this, I'm not too worried. He ruined his reputation years ago with hookers and blow. This isn't new to the public. Most were more surprised at how long it took him to get into more trouble. He's a moron, plain and simple. Just like the majority of criminals.

Yay! One more win and we'll be at .500!! :crazy:

I just got home from the game, waiting for my sweetie to come to bed then I'm out. I'm so tired and still cold - it was freeeeeezing at the Linc.

But hopefully this is a start of a winning streak!

We can't play like we did tonight though and expect to win games. Seattle next week will be rough - I'm expecting the worst but hoping for the best :)

I saw it for the first time this summer and it's pretty much out in the open south of the city. Convenient area in terms of accessibility, room to park and adjacent to the freeway, but no buildings to block the wind.

Nice comeback win for the Eagles. I just wish they had kicked a FG to win 16-14. I lost by a half point betting Green Bay +4.5. Oh well, it was a decent day otherwise.

I was in one of the boxes, but the windows were open the entire time and when that wind kicked up it was very chilly. You're right it is a very open stadium, so as you said there's nothing to block the wind especially when you're up higher than the first few rows.

I'm going to enjoy this win while I can - Seattle will be a joke next week I'm afraid, but I'm obligated to still hold out hope :)

Thank goodness for the cocoa and coffee urns inside !

Belonged to a friend who was visiting for Thanksgiving. He will not resign from ESPN and will work tomorrow on Monday Night Countdown per usual.

Regardless of the truth, Irvin should have found someone to write or at least edit his statement. It was weak and rambling, to the point Stuart Scott had trouble reading it. Basically Irvin said he needed to avoid people who are having negative influence on his family.

...and the Eagles/Dallas/TO story seems to me to be much ado about nothing.

you cannot discuss a player transaction when another team has them on suspension (the exact wording is in the article). TO is suspended by the Eagles, for Cowboy's owner Jimmy Jones to talk about signing him if TO were made available is a giant size "NO-NO" according to the NFL rules. Jimmy JOnes went on the radio and discussed that he would consider signing TO. So yes, Eagles have every right to file a complaint although I highly doubt the punishment would be severe.

Personally I hope that Eagles let him back after the suspension but bench him the remaining games. My worry is that the Eagles still have a chance at a playoff position (the League isn't that strong - they could pull through but it's a very very rare possibility) so the last thing the Eagles want to do is allow TO to end up on the competition's team

He's been an owner for nearly 20 years:shrug:
Don't rely on lousy fact/name checking.:argh:

I'd rather have the plague than to cheer on any team owned by him!

...he opened his mouth in a radio interview, probably talking in conjecture, and said he'd like a player like TO. Big Deal. He probably was just running his mouth. Its not as if he was working behind the scene with TO's agent to undermine his position in Philadelphia. Yes, the Eagles filed a complaint with the NFL office, and Jones will get a slap on the wrist, if that.

As for TO, he's out. He ain't coming back. Thats already been decided.

From the Washington Post: Ex-Cowboy Irvin Arrested on Drug Charge



If Irvin "put" the pipe in his car, that means he didn't FIND it there, right? And if he found the pipe in his home--or caught his friend using it--why not just break it and throw it in his OWN trash can, or flush it down the toilet?

Since Irvin's not a first offender, it will depend on where in the car the pipe was found (front seat or back? In a compartment or in plain sight? Above or below a floor mat?), and whether Irvin's friend backs his story. I would also like to more about the circumstances under which the friend "left" the rehab center and ended up at Irvin's place.

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rocknation

I'm a Canes fan and Michael Irvin fan. If i had to bet on the truth, I'd wager it was his pipe. The entire story does not compute, to borrow from Lost In Space. He lost ground by rambling with attempted explanation. Even if it's true it sounds so unlikely he should have realized that and just said it belonged to a friend who visited for Thanksgiving, nothing more.

show in Dallas when he was still playing.I don't watch pro ball much anymore so I haven't seen Irvin on ESPN but he was a natural on his Sunday morning show.Really sharp guy,wicked sense of humor.Probably could have been a success at stand up comedy;the guy was really a hoot.

His playing days drug escapades got really lurid.Getting busted in hotel rooms with strippers.Dallas cop getting penitentiary time for trying to have him killed.Made for a lot of front page copy.

He also put his dope in one of his female companion's gym bag when his hotel suite was raided,trying to get out of the arrest by framing her.That incident was glossed over but I thought it was a really shabby thing to do,to say the least.

Personally I think Lawrence Taylor should be ousted too. If these guys were playing hyped up on coke surely their career is tainted.

They named him Jimmy Jones...........awe how cute.

Who wrote this?

I can't believe he got mixed up in this. What will Sarah Vaughan and Ella say?

Don't know who Jimmy Jones is though. Is he related to Jimmyjazz?