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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:19 PM
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Poll question: College Football fans: BCS - yes or no?
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:21 PM
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1. For god's sake no
it's a bloated, insanely complicated system that's based on subjective votes from the media. hell, it makes the electoral college look streamlined
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:22 PM
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2. NO!
There needs to be a better system. What, I don't know but the BCS is flawed.
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:25 PM
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3. I liked the BCS before they gave the human polls more weight.
:)
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southlandshari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:30 PM
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4. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
:mad:




Welcome back, darlin'!!

:hug:
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:31 PM
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5. Thank you dear!
I am glad to be back.
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:46 PM
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8. I voted YES
just to be a pain in the ass.

:bounce:

I do actually like the bowl system OK, but the BCS stuff is very flawed.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:36 PM
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6. what do you mean? co-champions rule!!!
We are the best team this year! (except for that other team)
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:46 PM
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9. Ha ha!
:)
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:44 PM
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7. playoff works for every other sport
Make Div. I-A football just like Divisions I-AA, II, and III. Sixteen team single-elimination playoff in December. It works for the majority of college football programs; why not for all of them?
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:07 PM
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17. Here's why I think it won't happen
Only in Division I football, can a team go 6-5, and still say they had a great year because they 'went to a bowl.' Nevermind that it was the Weed Eater bowl....

If they went to a playoff system, DI coaches would be under a lot more pressure I think.

I say this as a fan of a beneficiary school. University of Arkansas has had too many mediocre years that they have said... "What a great year...we made a bowl appearance!"

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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:05 AM
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21. yeah, i agree....
you from fayetteville? your team almost pulled one out last weekend...:) i'm about two hours north of you, if you are in Fayetteville...i don't like the bcs at all...and the one thing that capped it off, was OU making it to the title game against LSU when they lost 35-7 in the big 12 championship game...talk about BULLSHIT. But OU got their asses handed to them, i think of the bcs, just like i think of politics.....
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:44 AM
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27. Harrison.. a half hour south of Branson...
Yeah... we were having Thanksgiving dinner as the Hogs were playing LSU.. I really thought they were going to pull it out.

The Hogs had one of those years that they straddled the line between mediocre and fantastic. I mean,really, about 5 plays were the difference between a 5-6 season and an 8-3 season.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:54 AM
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31. yeah, true...
I havent' really followed the Hogs much this year...i'm an alaskan transplant, living in mcdonald county...in sw missouri. Yeah, you should hear the radio personalities here from the 93.3 rip apart the hogs coaching staff and everything, quite humorous...:)
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:09 PM
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10. I liked the old system best
Conference tie-ins, no BCS nonsense, multiple bowl games with potential meaning toward the championship. Both polls picking a champion after the bowls.

You had so many permutations that way. As a Canes fan I had to root against Texas in the '83 Cotton Bowl against Georgia. Texas was unbeaten so even if Miami beat Nebraska that night in the Orange Bowl, the Longhorns would have been champs with a win. Luckily, Georgia made a late rally compliments of a fumbled punt then an awesome no-call when they ran into the end zone for the go-ahead score. It was blatant holding on the right side of the line but I remember that and the history books don't.

There are many other examples. In the early '70s Notre Dame vaulted from 4th or 5th in the final regular season polls after they beat Texas in the Cotton Bowl plus other upsets. That is completely impossible now.

The BCS sucks. It would have a shred of credibility is they got rid of strength of schedule, which is the biggest farce ever perpetrated on the American public. Strength of schedule is worthless and meaningless. In Las Vegas the oddsmakers I deal with every day completely ignore strength of schedule. That is not an exaggeration. I've dealt with them as a statistician and consultant for 15+ years and strength of schedule never comes up. The human polls should have all the weight, if you're not going to factor in legit stuff like the most relevant stats or power ratings.

No chance I want a playoff. Teams with two losses or that blew late in the season are deservedly punished. You don't want a coast-in capability in an awesome sport like college football.

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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:41 PM
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11. STRONGLY agree
Can't we have one level of sports that isn't playoff-driven? I miss the old bowl system where teams competed regionally for bowl appearances; the BCS has completely killed that.

I want the old SWC back, and I want the cotton bowl restored to its former glory.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:18 AM
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18. I agree
A playoff would render the regular season meaningless, just like every other sport.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:50 PM
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12. It is of my copletely thought out and analytical process that:
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 07:51 PM by sasquatch
I've come to the conclusion that whoever voted yes on this poll definatly prefers tossing the salads of dirty redneck FReepers.
:P
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:22 PM
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13. Ummmm
What answer would help Michigan get to the Rose Bowl?
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:25 PM
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14. Umm...the "Fire Lloyd Carr" answer isn't up their
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 08:26 PM by sasquatch
:evilgrin:
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:42 PM
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15. Bad Bad Sasquatch
:hi:
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:38 AM
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19. AHAHAHAHAHA!!!
}( :hi:
You know it's true.
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GregW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:49 PM
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16. Dump the sucker ...
Any scheme that will pick Notre Dame over the Ducks in the Fiesta Bowl for 'sentimental' (read revenue) reasons in insane.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:51 AM
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20. let me put it like this:
my boycott of college football is now in its 3rd year, and I refuse to acknowledge any of the computer-appointed 'champions'
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Ron Mexico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:07 AM
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22. I prefer a playoff, but
I'm perfectly willing to accept a system that takes the human bias element out of the voting.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:10 AM
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23. Dadgummed miserable motherless lowlife BCS
I hate it.

Any system that thinks a two-loss Notre Dame gets a BCS berth when one of the losses is Michigan State, or that Texas is No. 2 in the country even though they played in the jelly-soft Big 12 is simply a national disgrace.

A playoff system only makes sense. And remember: Al Qaeda is a member of the BCS. If we don't have a playoff system for D-1 college football, the terr'ists win.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:52 AM
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30. agreed!!!....:)
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:14 AM
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24. How about the old bowl system with a 1-2 game following?
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 01:16 AM by carpetbagger
Go back, not forward, to something like the old bowl arrangements, then add one last game. This year, it might look like this...

Rose: USC vs. Penn State
Orange: Virginia Tech vs. Oregon
Sugar: West Virginia vs. LSU
Cotton: Texas vs. TCU or Georgia
Fiesta: Notre Dame vs. Ohio State

Top two winners play the next week.
Edit: The top two are either co-champions after the bowls, jointly 1-2, or #1 with a second team decided by a computer ranking serving as tiebreaker between the coaches' #2 and the AP 2.

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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:21 AM
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39. You're onto something
I've thought that a playoff system could easily be shoe-horned into the existing bowl system.

Being a traditionalist, I thought we should honor longevity. As much as I generally despise Texas, it offends me that the Cotton Bowl isn't part of the BCS.

We could establish a playoff system that utilized the smallest bowls as consolation for a good season.

Beyond that, we'd need eight games for the first round among the top sixteen perhaps let some of the minor bowl teams play their way into rankings 11-16). Again with the polls, but at least a moderate chance for fairness. By season's end, the real debate is in the Top Ten. No different from the philosophical debate at Selection Time for the Big Dance.

The eight bowl games work down to four featuring eight teams. That's twelve bowl games.

That leaves two bowl games featuring four teams. That's a total of 14 bowl games.

The National Championship. One Game. That's 15 bowl games in all.

And how many bowl games are there already?

<Young Frankenstein: "It . . . Could . . . Work!"



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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:30 AM
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25. system is flawed....
OU going to the title game, instead of USC a couple years ago...was the end for me, with the BCS...BCS=bullshit, power play by college elitists to buy bowl games....
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:38 AM
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26. The BCS has royally screwed at least one deserving team
each season in its existence. I remember watching Oregon have an ass-kicking season only to have a so-so Nebraska team get the shot instead. The lower divisions have a playoff. D-1 can as well. There's got to be a way to do it and keep the people in those technicolor blazers happy.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:46 AM
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28. Argh! Don't remind me!
I'm still a mad Duck over that one! :grr:
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:56 AM
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33. You have every right to be.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:57 AM
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34. And they'll probably get screwed over this year too.
They should be in the Fiesta Bowl, but I'm not holding my breath.

:grr:
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:50 AM
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29. yeah, i remember that....
i was so pissed...and Nebraska got embarrassed by Miami bigtime, nebraska didn't deserve to be there, and their play on the field reflected that.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:56 AM
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32. Worst championship matchup I've seen.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:58 AM
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35. yeah, it was over at half time....
which is usually how bowl games are....the best game i have seen for a title match, was the Miami vs. Ohio State game...albiet Ohio State had BIG time help from the ref at the end of the game....
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:09 AM
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36. Yeah well OSU had big time help not having to play Iowa in 2002.
Not too many times I can say that.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:12 AM
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37. they didn't play iowa?...
damn...didn't know that...i don't follow to closely, but i try...:)
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:18 AM
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38. Not in 2002.
Hawkeye fans are still pissed about that one. Best team they ever had although it didn't show in the Orange Bowl. Oh well, Captain Kirk will have 'em back at that level.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:47 AM
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40. the most likely solution in the "Plus One" system
EVerything goes back to the pre BCS days, instead of declairing an NC, you choose (via comitte, polls, computers, whatever) two contenders to play at a week later. The only problem is how many fans can arange travel on just a week's notice. Might almost have to be played in a home stadium.



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