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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:37 PM
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It wasn't a sexual assault -- it was sleep sex.
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 04:42 PM by CatWoman
In an unusual case in a Scarborough, Ontario, courtroom, Jan Luedecke was acquitted of sexual assault after a judge ruled he was asleep during the attack -- a disorder known as "sexsomnia."

"This is indeed a rare case ... His conduct was not voluntary," said Justice Russell Otter, as Luedecke's victim shook, sobbed and then left the courtroom.

The judgment has outraged women's groups.

"This is infuriating. It's another case of the courts not taking a woman seriously, adding yet another list to the list of excuses which men use for sexual assault," said Suzanne Jay, of the Canadian Association of Sexual Assault Centres.



http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2005/11/30/1330153-sun.html
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:38 PM
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1. sexsomnia?
Whaaaaaaaaaa?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:40 PM
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2. Is that a Jon Stewert "Whaaaaaa?"
:D
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:43 PM
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7. Yup!
:hi:
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:41 PM
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3. Excuse me. I think he might have lived in Albany ...
cause I think I might have dated him ...

If you fix your link, I'll know fur sure.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:43 PM
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5. how's that?
:hi:
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:46 PM
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10. ...
well ...

let's put this way ...

I didn't get any sleep all night ...
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:42 PM
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4. THANK YOU MIDORI!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!
for the future alibi
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:45 PM
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8. yvr girl thinks twice about staying at chez matcom
next time she's in the Boston area
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:45 PM
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9. i was ASLEEP DAMMIT!!
x(
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:48 PM
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16. Don't worry, baby. It was OVER so fast
I hardly woke up at all. ;-)
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:49 PM
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18. *whew* THAT'S good!
at least i got MINE :P
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:51 PM
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19. Be still my heart
You're such a gentleman. Are you sure you don't want to have a torrid affair. That's what I REALLY want for Christmas.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:54 PM
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23. i know you get bored easily
see, i'm looking out for YOU!
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:57 PM
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24. You are TOO good to me
So, is there a world record for the most positions used in...one session.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:59 PM
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25. how should I know?
i was ASLEEP!
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:02 PM
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27. Not us. Your little feller got tired and had to take a nap.
You're usually up on such trivia.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:25 PM
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31. Yes, but...the sleep sex alibi only helps you with the court case,
not the angry former Marine boyfriend in a jealous rage.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:37 PM
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39. shit. i'll kick HIS ASS
Army guys ALWAYS kick jarhead ass :eyes:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 06:31 PM
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46. until we realize someone's picked a fight with us
:P
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:47 PM
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11. look at this asshole trying to hide
:D



Jan Luedecke tries to hide outside court yesterday after he was acquitted of sexual assault. (Dave Abel, SUN)
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:47 PM
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13. hey! cut him some SLACK
at least he got laid :hide:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:43 PM
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6. I've initiated sex in my sleep
I didn't know it was a disorder :wtf: I thought it was just because I'm horny and sometimes sleep naked. :shrug:

I couldn't get the link to work, BTW.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:47 PM
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12. So have I
Oh, wait...



You meant with a partner, huh?



:blush:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:49 PM
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17. I suspect we've all done *that*
Yes, I meant with a partner. ;)
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:48 PM
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14. I fixed it
:hi:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:52 PM
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20. so he put a rubber on in his sleep?
That seems a bit hard to believe.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:00 PM
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26. It's also hard to believe a British woman was acquitted of murder...
...in the 70s by arguing she was acting under the influence of PMS, but it happened.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:02 PM
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28. I don't doubt wierder defenses have worked (the twinkie for one)
it just sounds really fishy.
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:48 PM
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15. um ...
me too
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:54 PM
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22. Lounge girls are wild!
:party:
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:07 PM
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29. Hell Yeah!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:54 PM
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21.  Working title for movie...."I'm asleep and I AM Happy to See You"



Song:

"Don't Wake me 'til It's Over"
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:21 PM
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30. WTF???
Sleep sex? my god, does this judge also drink the "special" kool aid?....
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:28 PM
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32. you're just jealous you didn't come up with it first
:D
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:06 AM
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53. i all ready used that excuse...
but my wife knew i was lying my ass off...:) I never figured a judge would allow it!...:)
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:30 PM
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33. This reminds me of something said to me once
"...Can you do it gently so I can get some rest?" :rofl:
Oh, man, this thread is so getting locked...:D
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:31 PM
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34. Am I the *only* person who doesn't find this hard to believe?
Has anyone else known someone who walked in their sleep? People do all kinds of things in their sleep.

Ah well...
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lakemonster11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:35 PM
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36. I don't think it's impossible.
But I'm also somewhat skeptical.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:37 PM
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38. I've heard of it before.
I've also heard of someone murdering someone else while asleep.

Scary stuff, really.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:36 PM
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37. you know, I'm a very deep sleeper
and a sleepwalker to boot :scared:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:38 PM
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40. Really?
My sister used to sleepwalk. Did the most bizarre things... cooked, cleaned. My parents told us not to wake her, so I'd just watch, amazed.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:40 PM
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42. and ex boyfriend told me that I woke him up ringing the doorbell
he opened it and found me standing there, staring into space.

He guided me back to bed. Don't ask me how.

It scared the crap out of me.

Needless to say, I was buck naked.

He's not the only one I did that to either.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 06:10 PM
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45. Wow
:scared:

Stuff like this makes me wish I was smarter so I could be some kind of brain scientist and figure these kinds of things out.

:dunce:
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ucmike Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:33 PM
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35. a sleepwalker climb a crane a few months ago


http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4153/is_20050706/ai_n14690488
teen girl climbs 130' crane, then is rescued while still sound asleep.

if you can climb a crane then is it so outlandish to think this guys defense may be legit?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:40 PM
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41. Well, apparently this is the real deal as far as a diagnosis goes
<http://www.sleepsex.org/>
<http://www.webmd.com/content/article/14/1687_51690>

However I find this particular case a bit hard to believe for one reason, the man put a rubber on. Somehow I don't think that if he really did suffer from this condition he would stop and put on a rubber. But hey, this is the first time I've heard of such a diagnosis so:shrug:
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Abelman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:43 PM
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43. That's what I thought
Not too knowledgeable on the whole thing, but it seems odd to me a sleep-sexer would remember in his slip to throw some protection on.
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:49 PM
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44. Hard to say I suppose
I had a roommate who (every once in awhile) when drunk would go into a different roommate's room, open his closet, lift the lid on the hamper just like it was the toilet, and pee away.

I try not to get worked up over these kind of court things. I'm sure there was SOMETHING that made the decision seem apropriate, and in any event my input is meaningless.
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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 06:47 PM
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47. I had that roommate too!
My roommate had a predelection for opening chests of drawers and trying to piss in them.

He also got out of bed, walked over to his couch, and pissed all over it!

I must admit that I also once fell asleep after "the act", woke up to take a pee, and realized much too late that I still had a condom on. Damn thing started filling up like a water balloon!

:rofl:
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 06:48 PM
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48. !
That should be a scene in a movie or something! :rofl:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 06:49 PM
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49. Bush must have invented that one, personally.
I have officially heard it all now. Sounds like some bullshit defense to me. Sorry, rape is unforgivable to me.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 06:56 PM
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50. It wasn't assault - - It was sleep castration!
:shrug:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 06:59 PM
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51. I only wish he and the judge end up sleeping on the same couch
one day.
Sure beats "devil made me do it" defense.
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:21 PM
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52. Hell, I've dreamt that I was in a porno movie before...
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 07:21 PM by SmileyBoy
And I woke up suddenly noticing I was going through all the motions on my pillow.

Pissed me off to find out it wasn't real...x(
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:09 AM
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54. Yeah, and I was asleep when I shoved the fireplace poker up his arse!
Sexsomnia indeed! :mad:
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:40 AM
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55. Was the Defendant Zapp Brannigan?
"Sexsomnia" sounds suspiciously close to "sexlexia" (a very sexy learning disorder).
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:50 AM
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56. I immediately thought "twinkie defense"
But who knows? We men are such simple animals, I could beliee that it's possible to attempt it in our sleep. I had a college roommate who walked and talked in his sleep which was very unnerving. I don't find it *that* impossible to believe that one could animate the most basic behavior essential to the survival of our our species.

But I would like to here the expert testimony. Otherwise it seems to open up a huge loophole, ala the "the twinkie made me do it!"
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