How many marriages has Angelina Jolie broken up?

As I recall, and this is important, she has said that her biological father, Jon VOIGHT, broke up her family by committing adultery, AND that she would NEVER DO THAT! Whatever.

is to blame..not the other person.. If you are married, and someone sends out vibes, you either say.."Hey I am happily married, and am not interested"..or YOU say."I'm going for it".

The "other person" is just an excuse to leave an unhappy marriage.

A third person can't break-up a happy marriage.

par ememple, when (whoever) says "this" and it's a hyperlick. I ask because you're my respected typo-guru, or whatever.

One thing though, that always comes to mind for me is that the person who left one marriage for another will likely do it again. Not a 100% guarantee but certainly something to note and something that is rarely noted by the new partner.

If he'll go out with you behind someone else's back, he'll likely go out with someone else behind your back.

Too many people don't recognize that.

My ex chose to leave his family. I only hope he weighed the considerations and trade-offs.

Judging by his need to verify it was me who entered the bar two days ago, something tells me he hasn't let go of me either. :crazy: He dumped me, ergo he shoudn't give a damn if I show up - especially as I told him that's the bar I always go to.

Still, he claims to be a Christian too. He'll find one of his church clique buddies more appealing, I should expect.

"yeah, well that symptom is fucking my wife"
--harry, When Harry Met Sally

the woman that was voted "sexiest woman alive" can send vibes to married men, and yet be completely innocent if those men decide to leave their wives for her is ridiculous.

to go around.

Seriously, she can't stand that marriage crasher.

We met when I sent out a Charlotte DU meetup request because I was visiting my parents and wanted to meet some DUers.

She responded and met me and my sister at a restarant, plus she came with a friend, and we hit it off and got married 5 months later, actually we eloped!

:grr:

If Brad Pitt gives up his marriage because he is in love with Angelina Jolie, how on EARTH is the divorce HER fault?

Also, it depends on how you define adultery. For all we know (which is basically nothing) maybe she didn't have sex with him until he was officially separated/divorced.

I cannot stand this "blame the other woman" thing. It's so weak and misogynist. If Brad couldn't hold up his end of the marriage contract, that's HIS fault.

with whoever he was with before.

Angelina, in 1997. Billy Bob and Angelina met on "Pushing Tin", which was released in 1999 (so they met around 1998?) They got married in 2000.

And even if it had been the case, HE was the married one. Same thing.

I looked it up other places just to make sure.
:silly:

and that relationship was destroyed as a result of his dalliance with Angelina.

Angelina went off and got married. Laura Dern was away filming a movie and found out by the news or something like that. Yes, it definitely takes the guy cheating and all that, but Angelina is not an innocent bystander. It takes two and the two are equally to blame. Whether or not Brad or Billy Bob were happy or not, anyone who jumps at that kind of opportunity to get involved with a guy is selfish. Yes, she does great charity work, but some of her personal choices suck. As do Brad's and Billy Bob's.

She is not independant nor is she blameless because she knew.

That doesn't make Brad blameless, he's and idiot, but Angie knew and has a history of wanting things, people, that other people for lack of a betterterm "have'.

Her own FATHER has made comments about her and how stupid a man has to be to get entangled with her!

She's predatory. That's not exactely "wrong" nor "right" but in the examination of a specific situation she has to be given some "credit'.

Or whatever people are implying in this thread.

She's hardly perfect, and obviously a challenge for weak men, but again, she's not the one who's married. She does not break up the marriage--the weak man does.

Who cares what Jon Voight has to say, he's not exactly Mother Theresa either. I think he is disgusting to make such comments about his child, who he has some nerve saying ANYTHING about.

Btw, I think Angelina and Brad are made for each other (in a good way). I think they're a far better match than what either of them have had.

You're making semantics laws? Because she is one does not necessarily preclude her from being another:-)

Brad will lose his nuts with Angie, seriously I love her, but he won't last, nobody will, at least not now, she's not even remotely suited for monogomy. Not that this is "BAD" thing just reality.

What is that? Wishful thinking? ;)

There are many temptations in the world. If a person in a relationship cannot be faithful, it's rarely the fault of the third party.

Although it may be a vain hope.

appears equally unsuited to monogamy.

You other ladies can wait on Braid. I'm waiting on Noah Wylie (Dr. Carter on ER) :-)

And who the hell are we to judge what people in love do to get there? Shouldn't we just be happy for them? I am. They seem really good together. Amazing how judgmental some can be about others' lives.

It is perfectly reasonable to judge both people.

"And who the hell are we to judge what people in love do to get there? Shouldn't we just be happy for them? "

No...not when they run over everyone in their path to do it. Speaking from personal experience, I try not to mess with other people's relationships, and when I am in one, I don't allow others to undermine it. There's just certain things you do when you actually LOVE someone that indicate empathy such as "if the situation were reversed is this how I would want to be treated?"

As an example, I'd never hold my partner out as a trophy just days prior to dumping them for someone else. Why? Because it reduces that person to a "thing"...an object.

I'd never let my flirtations go beyond joking if I were in a relationship. Why? Because it smacks of thinking that rules and ethics are for everyone else. In a sense, it smacks of entitlement..as though I should simply be entitled to treat people like things until I come across the THING I think I want this week.


This whole notion of the grass being greener reminds me of the Erma Bombeck quote "People who think the grass is greener on the other side do so because they forgot to water it on the side they are on."


So..again...no..I have a hard time generating any happiness for anyone who treats people like shit, be it their partner or another's partner for the instant gratification of their infatuations.


Now, Brad and Angelina...I don't waste much time thinking about them.

And even then, they only know their own truth. We don't know where Brad's relationship was when he met Angelina, or how the new relationship transpired. Even if we did, I would still have no place on the outside to judge how they came to be together.

As for someone on the inside to judge... sure... Brad's ex-wife may have all sorts of assumptions about what happened. They could be completely wrong. I don't see anyone treating anyone like shit. All I see are judgments from people who couldn't possibly know the truth.

Nor really, but I felt an urge to crack wise.

:P I felt the urge to pick on you. :hi:

I think it applies to either gender, in either situation (temptress/married guy or seducer/married gal).

It takes two to tango, but you also have to wonder about someone who is only attracted to people who are attached. I always wonder if it's a case of being attracted to the chase more than the catch*. Psychologically speaking, I think that suggests the "temptress" has security/narcissism issues. I don't think it's terribly healthy, and it certainly doesn't bode well for future relationships.

Just as the married person has the burden of deciding if he/she wants to cheat or leave his/her partner, the "third wheel" has the responsibility of deciding if he/she is going to resist the temptation of seducing the attached person.

You can argue that "so-and-so is going to leave his/her partner anyway, so why not with me?", but that's pretty lame. Better to just stay clear of the whole trainwreck. There are lots of attractive people in this world; why not meet and marry someone single, instead of contributing to the destruction of a partnership.

"My wife/husband doesn't understand me" is such a crock of shit, and it's usually said by people who are just marking-time in a relationship until someone "better" comes along. Do you really think it's healthy to be that kind of person, or be attracted to that kind of person?

Now that I'm single, and dating again, I have my "radar" set for attached people. I have met two now who were willing to 'play', and I've been very clear in my rejection of them, because they're attached. And I'm hardly a moral compass. Maybe that decision is because I've been betrayed by my ex, and I think it's really disrespectful of the other person in the relationship. Maybe it's because I know that statistically if "X' screws around to be with me, she'll eventually screw around on me.


*Could I possibly squeeze more hackneyed metaphors into this post?

"Angie knew and has a history of wanting things, people, that other people for lack of a betterterm "have'."

That's brilliant! The cats are even laughing!

But then Hollywood marriages so rarely last anyway.

I'm with you!

:hi:

It pisses me off that people paint such pictures of the 'other woman.' Also, none of us knows what the status of their relationship was when the media started showing them together. I recall another situation where they did this--with Meg Ryan and Russell Crowe.

YEARS later, Meg AND Dennis stated that they were SEPERATED at the time everyone was making a huge deal of her seeing Crowe. The media didn't know their personal status, but made lots of money selling magazines, papers, etc. painting HER in an unfavorable light. Crowe was not--why is that? Because he's a man? Yet, Anglelina is in the same position as Crowe was then, why is she somehow 'the homewrecker' here? Because she's a woman?

I challenge that we should all think about this--why it's ok for a man, but not ok for a woman.In each example I've cited, is the women that are painted as harlots, homewreckers, etc. Frankly that's fucked up.

As progressive women, we really have to be mindful of the ways society trashes women--are we going to contribute to that or stand up to the bullshit for our sisters...

Just wondering...Again, nicely put tjdee--thanks for saying it! :hi:

the fact that the media and society at large have double standards (angelina is a homewrecker, while crowe is just a stud) doesn't exonerate either one's behavior.

ultimately that's not up to us. As I said--everyone was ready to paint a scarlet A on Meg Ryan, for something she did when she was seperated.

Ultimately, it's between all of them and has little to do with any of us. Non one on these boards or in the media really knows all the details of their lives--their reporting on it merely presents the illusion that they are the ultimate authority on it and makes us all think we do. Interesting that so many are so quick to dole out judgement on people and situations they really don't know.

I shudder to think what my life may look like if it were featured on the cover of US or in the pages of some cheesy supermarket tabloids.

Personally, I'd rather focus on the details of people that do actually affect my life and millions of other lives--that the media makes little effort to 'judge' for their crimes--our govt.

You're right, you didn't speak of exoneration. I pretty much agree with all your points.

Ultimately, of course, none of this matters.

You're right--none of it does.

:hi: Always good to see you...

:hi:

No seriously. Who gives a shit?

is what's going nowhere.

When you've reached your deathbed blameless, folks, I'll stop by and shake your hand. Until then, you don't really know what you're capable of.

this is, like, soooo junior high.

who the fuck actually cares about Brangelina? Live and let live.

Maybe she's responsible for ending the marriages she's had but nobody can cause the end of a marriage they aren't part of. If she did say that her father broke up their family by committing adultery then all that really tells us is that she wouldn't cheat on someone she is married to. Even if she did start dating Brad before he filed for divorce Angelina wasn't the one who made vows to Jen. If Brad and Jen's relationship was doing great when he met Angelina then he never would've gotten involved with her.

AHA!

I like that she takes her role as a UN Ambassador seriously. I don't care about Brad Pitt.

Just kidding. Never married.

my husband would have one hot babe--at least for a little while. I suppose I couldn't deny him the pleasure.

Sorry. If he left Jennifer for her (which we'll never know, because it's really none of our business), he did it of his own volition.

And...if he was happy with Jennifer, he wouldn't have left.

Argument that people come in and break up happy marriages by stealing one party = stupid.

Celebrity marriage worship = stupid. (Yes, I know I'm replying anyway = stupid.)

Seriously the woman looks like a broomstick with 2 cabbages stuck on top, coupled with a set of lips that look like those toy wax lips. I bet my arms are bigger around than her waist, whatta shame.

Let's gossip about strangers, instead.

relationships (and I don't know if she did or not), she's still pond scum. There's things you just don't do if you are a halfway decent human being simply because:

A) it isn't ethical
b) you wouldn't want it to happen to you

but I think if she made "plays" or whatever toward a married person, then it is not moral and I agree with your b) too

Fuck this nineteenth century, sexist, judgmental bullshit. Why don't you start a thread on what an asshole Brad is for being the one who actually committed adultery (for the worst, weakest, most callous reasons imaginable)? Was it just easier to blame the woman in the situation? I had thought Dues were smarter than this.

and it is likely some unknowing soul called their kid will suffer for their narcissism... there's enough Hollywood offspring that confirm my impression to measure with.

Mostly, women are reminded of "that evil bitch" who broke up their happy home. Not the husband who left.

We really don't know the details of the particular relationship(s) of these "stars." Pitt & Anniston announced their break-up had nothing to do with tabloid stories. Nobody will be impoverished by the split & they didn't have kids.

Further, we don't know (or need to know) what their vows to one another were or what the "rules" of their marriage entailed, but we're awfully quick to make judgments. :(

Guess what, *I* would just as soon that this thread disappeared itself--or, taking MY responsibility, that I had not posted it. The way things go is that A PASSING THOUGHT occurs, and sometimes unfortunately, by the click of a key gets ossified for posterity.

So the thought that passed through was the INCONGRUITY, the something-doesn't-fit: Why did a person deny, citing her parental history, a relationship that later turned out to be happening? And then the POSSIBILITY (disproved, above) that the person had done it before.

I don't know why I keep being surprised that I can spend 45 minutes on one thread, Googling, arranging links, selecting the most cogent excerpts, highlighting------and get, like, ONE reply, --------whereas, something like this gets FORTY replies.

#1, She's the one who said it, it never occurred to me to "blame the woman". As to others claiming judgmentalism and moralizing---my thought was about commitment, or lack thereof. Agreed that the dude(s) involved are weak at best, cads at worst, or maybe all of them are just free spirits or swingers or free lancers or whatever.

#2, As for not being "smarter", we're a mishmash of everything, not the least of which is being flawed humans---and the news is: We, NOBODY, is NEVER going to escape being a flawed human. I like Professor ZINN for saying that history is not represented by famous names. But as soon as we talk about anybody, they're, like, "celebrities".

But that said, "Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine." --Rick. Meaning, if somebody doesn't like a thread, why not SKIP it, or Alert it, instead of keeping it alive with a hurtful reply.

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Alert on your OP and ask to have it removed.

but if she wants to, she better hurry...

RL

I did not "break up" my husband's first marriage. That marriage was broken the day they spoke their vows. Their motives for marrying were immature and unlasting, and the only bond holding them together was fears of failure and criticism, and a sentimental notion of friendship. They were two people adrift in the storm of their relationship, each clinging to the other and in the process, pulling each other under. For thirteen years they suffered each other's differences and refusals to negotiate. Sobriety only made the marriage worse.

The day he told her he wanted a divorce was the day he set them both free.

My decision to go ahead and love this man was not made easily. But I have never, not for one minute, regretted it. It has been thirteen years since we have met, twelve years since we have submitted to love, four years of marriage, and one year of blessed parenthood. My life and his life are richer, fuller, and more mysterious than we have ever imagined. I hope each day that his first wife has found the world as open and benevolent that we have, once we opened ourselves to it.

and thank you for sharing your story.

i thought brad pitt may have commited adultery..not angelina

No? Then what do you care?

doesn't actually happen to them. For instance, I can care about the plight of hurricane victims even when I am not actually affected.

That's the most ridiculous comparison I've ever heard.

I get so tired of this moronic (and misogynistic) point of view. If a single woman begins seeing a married man and he leaves his wife, she has somehow "broken up" the marriage. How often have you heard it said that a single guy who began seeing a married woman broke up her marriage? And sure as shit, if both parties are married, it will be seen as the woman's fault. She's a "homewrecker."

Why, pray tell, is it never the man's fault? And why is it the single person's fault and not the one who was married and had made a commitment to their spouse?

Load of bullshit. As far as I can see, she hasn't broken up any marriages except to end her own.

we seem to be on the same page on this, see my post #40! :hi: Excuse me for being tickled to see someone else say what I was thinking... (lol)

never mind pretending to care about someone I'll never know or even meet. Who cares about Angelina Jolie's private life?

I mean, come on, to say that whoever is doing the stealing is completely innocent is ridiculous. That's why it's called STEALING.

You're comparing an inanimate object to a human being. The person who was 'stolen' obviously wasn't too keen on staying anyway. Face up to it.

And if "sexiest woman alive" would be sending vibes to your husband, I imagine you might have some packing to do. She is very attractive. How many men realistically would say "I am not interested", if she was coming on to them? Even men that might have had happy marriages otherwise?

It's cracking me up. Thanks for putting a smile on my face.

In an earlier post, I said if he scored Angelina, he'd have a hot babe.....for a little while. I'd frankly be pretty impressed.

it actually happening. LOL.
But seriously, I imagine someone like Angelina can break up what was a happy marriage prior to her showing up. After all, she wasn't voted a "sexiest woman alive" for nothing, was she?

I'd have to hand it to him for his secret studly powers! I'd totally buy him a drink.

Heavens you make Angelina out to be some kind of goddess. She is not. There are people who would refuse her.

test their husbands on her. Will he say "I am not interested" or "Lets go for it"? I mean, those little plans on allowing each other to sleep with famous actors, etc-why not make plans on "doing" attractive co-workers if they go for it? Cause that's what Angelina and Brad were-co-workers. I notice not many people here say they have a plan on allowing their spouse to "do their co-worker".

It might be more of a strain on the workplace than on the marriage in some instances.

He can do Angelina, I can do Johnny Depp. Once.

Why not sample the finer things in life?

that I was about to do Depp and then I realized I had diarrhea all over the inside of my coat.

I'm still tryin to figure out what that means.

:freak:

Damn! What a missed opportunity!

Here, send him to me. }(

May you have better luck than I did.

:toast:

assures me that any notion that he would succumb to AJ's advances is pure horsesh**. So there.

then laughed ruefully at the mere thought.

he thought otherwise? LOL.

if they did admit it? My husband wants Jennifer Jason Leigh to have his baby.

I think your indignation is all mock, missy :-)

should let the world know.

Like me saying I would refuse Johnny Depp's hot breathy kisses. hahaha Not like we're in any danger of finding out.

Unless they want to be stolen. You don't steal a husband. The husband leaves his wife for another woman. There was obviously something in his head that he wanted to leave. It's not the other woman's fault the husband is a jerk. The man has something called free will. The way you talk, the man is completely innocent and the victim. Whatever.
Duckie

it's a "power" play.

And then there are some who only want a certain man because he is unavailable. As soon as he is free she loses interest.

And then there are some who come in on the tail end of a marriage. When the man leaves the marriage, people blame her.

Brad's affair with Angelina may have been the straw that broke Brad and Jen's marriage, but the marriage was broken to begin with if Brad was enticed to stray.

I think someone can have a perfectly happy marriage, but considering people always think that grass is greener on the other side... When someone attractive shows alone and pays a married man/woman a lot of attention, the previously happy marriage can be broken.

but in a marriage where both parties take the vows they took seriously, yes, it is a symptom of a broken marriage if one of them strays.

Especially, if there are kids involved. So, if some attractive single woman comes along-yes, she can break a marriage, because to assume that all marriages are just so exciting and fun after years and years is not realistic.

other anyway. I AM SORRY BUT BRAD PITT HAS ALWAYS MADE IT CLEAR HE WANTED CHILDREN. So ol' jen took him to the alter KNOWING he wanted kids and she put her career first. That is not keeping your word or vows. I don't feel sorry for Jennifer, she made her choice. Brad is 43 years old and the guy wants kids plain and simple and if Angelina is willing to give him that then so be it.
Now Jen wants kids all of sudden, too late honey, you had what 7 years to give your husband obviously something he wanted. When you step into a marriage that shit needs to known up front.
That is not fair to the other person.
Plus Angelina is wayyyyyy hotter than Jenny

It takes a lot of presumption to be able to decide two people you DO NOT KNOW were "not right for each other."

You're making an awful lot of assumptions about both Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston, none of which may be correct.

kids was bullshit from the start...but, I must ask...are you related to the parties involved? If not, I would say, you know about as much as the rest of us...absolutely zilch. This is a matter for the parties involved. And, since we're slamming on them. Angelina always looks like she needs to be on a course of antibiotics. :P

has come out and said that was never ever true. Brad just didn't want to look like the bad guy. Of course he would try to make himself look like he had a reason to leave. And thinking Angelina is hotter is a matter of personal opinion of course. I think Jennifer is much prettier.