Funniest Fucking Thread I Have EVER Seen In GDP!

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2507034

dang, never poke skinner with a pencil yanno?


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Erm, "hey god, bite me!"

"OK."

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his final words and he misspelled "tombstone" :rofl:

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:(

Still, there is an odd humor to be found here. :rofl:

and why, for that matter, was Skinner so mean to the old drummer in The Beatles :cry: :rofl:

If you look at his other thread in GDP (locked now), you'll see that he 'fessed up to being an Independent, and apparently PM'd Skinner about it :eyes:

its not quite like a 'fessed up' ala a freeper outing himself - but a manifestation of extreme frustration. Walt has often waivered between ABB vs wanting dems to be a real opposition party - am guessing this was more an expression of that same frustration (the old "the party left me") but I would also guess that in the end, as has been the case before - he wants repubs out more than anything and would work for that goal.

I just say this b/c it is misleading to think of this as an "outing" (ala when a freeper disruptor shows himself) but a symbol of how frustrated some folks are getting (not at DU perse but it manifests itself here) due to a feeling of powerlessness at stopping bushco and the GOP one-party rule system.

I suspect we will see many other long-timers hit that point and go over the line (as we have seen many times) as we run up to the next elections - and I will continue to have some empathy for them as I don't think it is that these folks want to see repubs win - I think it is an expression of fear that the repubs will win (ala that the current debate leading to whatever personal implosion will lead to repub win). In short it is an argument about strategy of ending this regime - rather than an enemy within thing. Our anger is so palpable that we have taken strategy debates to turning on each other.

That said - his post really didn't give Skinner any alternatives.

(during the Vietnam war) in the last presidential campaign.

He did huge amounts of research if you ever saw his threads. Is Walt just playing around here?

an independent? How moderate of him!!!

Isn't he the one who posted a thread about wanting to be a libertarian last night?

That is a pretty funny way to be TSed. :eyes:

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Walt Star has been here as long as I can remember and was a prolific poster with a lot to say -- it's always sad to see a longtime DU supporter tombstoned.

Just sayin . . .

I got to the point that when I saw his name, I usually didn't read the thread.

He went WAY beyond sanity a long time ago.

I went the same way after the 1988 election...got so fed up with losing I decided to become activist on several semi-fringe issues (animal rights...I even contributed to PETA), I refused to vote for anyone who did not live up to my new standards, wrote in candidates. Just all out of frustration. I realized before long what a waste of time that was as I was having no impact at all. I still care about those issues now, but realize basically checking out of the political process was not the way to go!

I worked for Dukakis during the MN caucuses, and was really pissed off the way he carried himself after the nomination (which Kerry seemed to mirror in 2004, sadly enough). I dropped mainstream politics for awhile, with the exception of the 1990 Wellstone campaign, which I really believed in.

After 1992, I retired from party politics. Clinton really pissed me off, as did the 1994 elections. But after 2000, I got back in.

I can understand Walt's frustration, but I have to admit that is one of the funnier TSs I've seen in awhile. I imagine he'll pop up on that Deanocratic site eventually-- if he's not there already.

that I was concerned someone had pilfered his log-on info and was posting as him. There have been a couple times I put him on ignor for a spell as he got sorta borderline abusive. Really bothered me cuz he usually was pretty decent and his research was greatly appreciated.

then he was a Clark person (IIRC) the week after. That was bizzare. He seemed to settle down after that. He was also responsible for teh Bush medal story.

He was ABB, then Dean, then Braun, then Green, then ABB, then Kerry, then Dean again, and then when Kerry lost he started with "I told you so," went to Green again, then Dem, then just...kinda everywhere.

and indicative of how high anger and frustration has grown in the past four years that I have been here. Peoples' frustration spike and in a fit of political anger cross lines ... as we move towards primaries, general midterm elections - and then towards another presidential campaign - I am certain we will see more and more folks implode per their DU membership. I don't find it particularly funny. I get mocking the whole "Swan Song/Good bye" DU threads. This, however, is different. Agree or not with this or other posters who have gone this way, what strikes me as sad is bigger than DU - it is a relic of the deep fear and anger felt over the direction of this country and the powerlessness we have in doing much about it - and as a result more hyperbolic rhetoric gets fuelled and stoked and eventually self-defeats (in terms of going over the line leading to leaving DU.)

just my two cents.

Thanks for writing what I was thinking!

:thumbsup:

I've reached mine before and at that point, writing a "fuck-you-go-ahead-and-ban-me" post was the least of my worries. You don't necessarily know the whole story of why Mr. Starr imploded. Based on outward actions, he was asking for it (literally and figuratively), but a whole lot more could be going on.

Yeah, it's a funny thread, but it could mean something a lot more ominous. Having gone through some severe shit, I have a hard time laughing at someone else's misfortune--at least in this instance. I guess it reminds me too much of reaching that breaking point. I have no idea whether or not Walt Starr has reached a breaking point. Maybe I'm just projecting. :shrug:

Having been here a long time just as you have...seeing a long time poster flair up and ask for a tombstone is sad.

The frustrations are just so great sometimes it comes out as trashing on ones own family...

I imagine he will be reinstated after a "cooling off." If he wants it..but know he's been frustrated for a long time. I think the Alito vote was the last straw for many old timers on DU. I notice many names missing these days.

I may not have always agreed with him, but hell, I don't completely agree with anyone. :shrug: Independents and Greens post openly here. There are rules about not actively trying to undermine the Democratic Party, but progressive voices of all kinds are welcomed.

Still, the results of daring the owner of a website to tombstone you should be pretty obvious. I'm certainly not second-guessing Skinner. (Honest, Skinner. DON'T tombstone me, please. :) )

just kidding. I guess it's not?

:hi:

And has the snow melted?

I think my mother might be snowed in for awhile, yet. There are eighteen inches at her place. She has a four-wheel-drive, but there's about a mile of gravel road before she gets to a paved one. Besides, it's dangerous braving the roads when other folks don't have chains or 4X4s. I'm staying put for awhile, myself.

than about partisan considerations. Our Constitution and our freedoms are under assault across the board. This is obvious even to old fashioned conservatives that have become alarmed at Bush's power grab. Our frustration comes from the inability and unwillingness of many of our elected representatives to defend the Constitution they took an oath to defend.

The Republic lies mortally wounded at our feet while the "opposition" party recoils at the thought of voting for a censure motion in the Senate, or to hold hearings in the House about the Downing Street memos.

Our Republic is dying a bipartisan death!

by Walt and Skinner. Ya think? Walt is a REAL democrat. What is going on?

"OK." :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Probably the quickest click of a mouse EVER!!

:D

Ok?

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It's hard to believe. He's been threatening to leave almost since day one. :D

Thanks for the laugh Matcom.

edit: On the good side, it might be better to ask for a TS than to post a pity party "I'm leaving DU thread in the Lounge." Guns ablazin' and alla dat.

I find those ridiculous myself. It's the "since nobody agrees with me I'm taking my toys and going home" attitude.
Someday I'll probably go away out of pure boredom. Nobody will probably notice and nor will I even care. Thank god I do have a life outside and besides the internet forums.

That kind of sucks. Walt Starr was here for a long, long time.

He is so out of here!

Remind me never to... Even rhetorically, invoke a tombstone.

As, in "Give me Liberty or Give me Tombstone".

I did not agree with everything he said, but he posted alot and held his own position well. He participated in many interesting debates on DU.

I for one will miss him.

Maybe that troll was right. This is nothing more than an "amen" forum

Actually, sometimes it's so much the polar opposite, it drives me nuts!

have solidified some of my ideas, revised others, and abandoned some all together.

But, he changed over time... As many here have. I've accepted
the fact I'm never going to change anyone's mind by posting on
DU. (If I ever have, it was an accident) The most I can do is
post the truth of an issue the way I see it. I can't make people
agree... and that is where people like Walt fail. They passionately
believe what they believe and they see the truth in it. Nothing
wrong with that... But, then they go out trying to change minds.
There is where the trouble starts.

Politics and public opinion are a game of patience.

I know I do.

Thats the point

to make a difference. I find you get much less frustated with a judicious application of real-world politics.

Signed:
Dazed & Confused

very dazed and confused

but that is a scary thought. Meaning - tyring to equate a tombstone (even when requested) - to a parallel that a president might have (imprisonment, expulsion?) With the abuse of power that bushco already demonstrates...

I'm just sayin...

Just sayin.

just the thought per bushco popped into the head.

my 2 cents.

rather rambling mind ;-)

:hi:

Which is a good thing coz I got one too.

and its a dangerous thing... :D

I'll get to it...just wait a sec, will ya?

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Thanks for bringing it to our attention ;)

I loved arguing and alternately agreeing with him. He shouldn't have asked Skinner to do that though, geez what was Skinner supposed to do say NO.

:shrug:

Has finally gone overboard.

love him or hate him - he has been interesting to watch/read as his levels of political frustration were visible. I think many of us have felt the same frustration at one point or another - in terms of frustration not only with bushco but with what we can do (centrists blame progressives and feel attacked and progressives blame centrists and feel attacked). I look at the 'going over the line' as a harbinger of spiking political frustration that is going to only spike further and further in the upcoming months - Walt has always been a wee bit hyperbolic - but I think that his spikes of frustration and enthusiasm are a good measure (as they read to be a bit more amplified in size than many of us) of that which many Duers will express in the coming months. This is no comment or critique about DU - but a comment and critique of the heightened sense of danger and fear that the strategies or candidates chosen will lead to more years of bush/GOP dominated govt and all that is entailed by such a prospect.

That's the Walt Starr Method: he changed his opinions like most of us change our undies.

THANK FUCKING GAWD THAT FUCKER IS GONE!!!!

MY FUCKING GOD THIS WEEKEND ROCKS!

ANOTHER SENTENCE WITH THE WORD FUCK IN IT!!

you will be delivering the eulogy? :D

There can only be one Starr around here, and it's ME motherfuckers!

you've just been pretending to be living in Mass... and have been teaching law at Pepperdine in California... how did it take me so long to put the Starr thing together... :evilgrin:

I'll have you confessing anything I want

Linda Tripp.

So whose lights are going to get shot out?

I will.

:D

Happy fucking weekend, fucker!!!
:loveya:

Priceless!

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:spray:

:scared:

;)

so it doesn`t surprise me at all...lol... that really is the funniest thread i have ever read in any forum other than the lounge..

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Walt has always seemed to have an amplified level of frustration / enthusiasm swings (as in we all have them but the amplitude of his waves seem a wee bit more extenuated that most of ours).

Hows writing?

I'm going to Oklahoma soon to interview the descendants of my subjects. :D

I hope to be defending next Christmas. Hope, being the key word. :hi:

and the timeline to defense sounds realistic! :hug:

Yes, I think it's doable. If not, then it'll be spring. One way or the other, I'll make it through.

:hug:

I have seen his steady decline over there, but wow.

Am I supposed to rejoice when a long term poster loses it and gets tombstoned?

:shrug:

:shrug:

walt is on OUR side, and i hope he can just call this anger boiling over and get reinstated

"The life of a single Marine WAS worth far more than the collective lives of every Japanese citizen at the time the atomic bomb was dropped. WE WERE IN A DECLARED WAR!"

I say good riddance.

I can see why now. I also see why this thread is still extant.

and other choice things about the atomic bombs

I just read through that thread. It was interesting to note the offerings of a recently departed, self-proclaimed mole.

I remember some other similar posts about the bomb and the expendability of the Japanese.

But needless to say, my view of him has been less than favourable since.

:scared: that's always a good one on here. I remember him during that.

Don't act like an American soldier isn't worth far more than every other person on earth combined. :eyes:

:rofl:

That was funny all 50,000 times.

Bon voyage, Walt. :eyes:

Coulda sworn it was more. :shrug:

He'll be back.

And if it was the thread from the night before that you are referring to... posting this kind of challenge in the morning doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Looks like he got his way. Everyone should be happy.

It IS a pretty funny thread, given that the request was granted in the same minute it was posted. :rofl:

I saw a thread he posted late last night. It was some sort of screed about why he's an independent or why he might be leaning toward libertarianism ... not completely sure because I didn't get past the first paragraph before I realized I didn't want to read any more. Regardless, I remember thinking, this thread may explode because it's late, but it'll be locked, and at least one person is going to end up really pissed.

Little did I know ...

:D

It is done.

Done happily, for that matter.

I thought the guy was an asshole. I just couldn't say it out loud until now.

:P

oh, and :hi:

But WTF does that have to do with recommending threads for the greatest page?

:evilgrin:

You're easy, too?

:P

sucker

the fucking timestamps are PRICELESS :D

There's laughing everywhere I turn :D

Timestamps show when something is posted, not when it was started.

SRMFA.

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:eyes:

:thumbsup:

:rofl:

The rest of my reply is better left unsaid.

:)

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shouldn't sell it on DU?

Are you calling my work shit?

I'm not even going to play this game. Not with the two of you.

Last time you two ganged up on me here I ended up laughing, crying AND puking simultaneously in the bathroom at work just before the HUD inspector was due to arrive for a tour and perky presentation of our plans for next year.

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what a GLORIOUS day THAT was!

DS1 and I STILL toast that effort every time we get together

And may your glasses be full of pure grain alcohol and your mornings find you with your heads full of rocks and your tongues lolling just above (or if I'm really lucky, actually touching) the water in the proverbial porcelin alter!

:loveya:

:eyes:

you are OBSESSED WOMAN!

You're just reaching because you don't have a snappy comeback for my toast for you and DS1.

Weak, Sparky. Very weak.

:eyes:



While we are on the subject of tongues, however....

;)

:spray:

Redstone

freaks unite!

(It was a snicker)

Just to make that clear: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was a long-timer. I wonder what had been said.

Oh well. Will somebody pass the stuffing? :9

there are links to the ramp-up to this

I agree Matcom, that was a great way to go out.
But , SHIT.

Walt Starr meant a LOT to this site, and in many ways exemplified the fighting progressive on the fringe of the Democratic Party. Like many of us, he wants to take it to these bastards, and is growing increasingly impatient with the bullshit in DC. I'll miss him. He served to enlighten and inform me on more than one occasion, and as a party exofficio in extemis I annoyed him more than once myself.


Never forget if you ask Skinner to tombstone you, he'll oblige.

Zealots are useless.

Jesus, that fucker was whiny. I remember during the primaries, he switched candidate loyalties every five minutes, and for the flimsiest of reasons. Every post had a breathless whiny panic about it, as if his opinion was the supreme writ of DU. And for GD, that is saying something.

Good riddance. He was worse than a troll.

Walt proved that Bush had wore fake military honors and metals while posing for pictures in his campaign literature. Walt went through decades of political propaganda, and foil'ed military documents that proved what Bush did was illegal.

I was amazed by his ability to seek out info.

I often wonder if Bukowski, Hunter Thompson, or other great minds would be able to survive in DU without ending up tombstoned. How long would Michael Moore last?

:kick:

"You know, I could run for governor but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that's not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office."
George W. Bush, 1989
http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/bush.htm

:kick:

While he lobbied franchise owners for support, Republican party officials kept trying to convince Bush that he ought to run for office. George talked it over with one of his oldest friends, Roland Betts. When Bush was Yale chapter president of Delta Kappa Epsilon, Betts served as DKE's rush chairman. And they had both been investors in Spectrum 7. Now they were both partners in the Texas Rangers. According to the book Fortunate Son, Bush confided to his friend:
"You know, I could run for governor but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that's not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office."
Several months later, it become clear that somebody else was going to become baseball commissioner. So he finally acquiesced to running for governor.
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/

It's too bad he's gone. I don't know what happened recently.

who let the pressure and anger that sometimes boils over into GD get to him. I'm sorry to see him go...I am sorry to see some of the attitudes here about his banning. Whether he asked for it or not. I will always wish him well and be glad that he is on our side.

but I don't spend much time on-line elsewhere. Who broke this story? My point was that Walt Starr did some great work putting his posts together. I love the work he did. I hate OP threads such as "Tweety makes me mad." I always thought that Walt Starr offered a lot (please keep in mind that I am more of a progressive liberal then I am a dlc "uniter". perhaps that sheds some light on why I had a high opinion of Walt Starr).

Peace and low stress, mdmc

There were hundreds of thousands of us searching around the clock for dirt on * at that time.

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eating our own. Somedays I don't recognize people I thought I knew. I used to be a strictly GD poster...then a GD/Lounge Poster...then more Lounge than anything else. Now, I feel as if there are really rotten people everywhere.

I posted these long-winded and earnest essays in GD... for the first half year or so.

But that only went so far until they fell like bricks and it became rather masturbatory to continue.

Then I came into the Lounge to lighten up and talk music.

Then my posts in GD became more like drive-bys than analyses.

Then the yaks came.

But since the 2004 election, the whole atmosphere went wrong. A whole flux of trolls and narcissists poisoned both forums.

I still post everywhere. I have a great ability to talk with people from all walks of life. I can often get folks to look at a situation another way. I am a true freak - a Nader voting Joementum appologist! :kick:

Wrong post

Some days I really wonder... what's the fucking point.

And there are surprisingly rotten people just about everywhere. Even people who probably aren't really rotten can be rotten here. :(

No, no, that can't be it.

:)

(Old Irish saying?)

eat dead vultures?

"The Greatest Sedition Is Silence." and he credited Walt for it. (WP is a Will Pitt, for any newbies)

I didn't agree with Walt on some things. Especially last summer over the Roberts nomination, he said something about how Red-State Dems facing reelection soon should vote for Roberts etc, and that when Dems eventually get power they can nominate someone to counter him and so on. I saw similar arguments like that at the time. Selling women's rights out, essentially for a political strategy that might..I stress MIGHT eventually win back Congress. It was all dubious. I also remember he refused to vote for any candidate in the GE who voted for the Iraq war resolution. I didn't agree with that, as I think voting for somebody who is running against Bush trumped any supposed moral stand. But, Walt is a smart guy, some people didn't like him, I never really had any run ins with him or anything. Just a few replies to comments that I didn't agree with. Each time we were civil and articulated our positions pretty well, that I recall. That's too bad, I respected him a lot.

I sort of thought it was common knowledge but I was the only one who mentioned it. :)

see, morally, I just could never advocate an action like that. People try to justify it in many ways, I have never heard one that isn't morally dubious. Some advocates of actions such as bombing Hiroshima or say even voting for Roberts for a political strategy, they get all condescending and play the "well, I'm a realist" card. In the end, I find people like that are weak on positions and issues which genuinely matter. They aren't true fighters for what is right, due to their willingness to play politics with meaningful issues, you know?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5580468&mesg_id=5582940

But I remember other conversations that said much the same thing.

.

:wtf:

I wonder what THAT was about.

"tombstone me right the fuck now"???

Frustration with the party doesn't account for such poor manners. It's to Skinner's credit that he's considerate enough to accommodate the gentleman.

:rofl:

Ask and ye shall receive?

For some reason, it brings to mind a picture of a charred/smoking and very surprised-looking Wile E. Coyote. Or Daffy Duck.

:evilgrin:

What a maroon.

*shaking head*

How many threads does he have about leaving the party and the dems suck, etc etc.

:spray:

Well, I for one am gonna miss him. Still, it looks like he brought it on himself...

:bounce:

:(

Celebrating the tombstone of someone passionately determined to oust bush and co. because he didn't share the same pov about it with everyone.

Infantile, imo. :thumbsdown:

As much as I get irritated by Democrats, I won't throw my vote away on a 3rd party candidate.

Of course, I don't live in one of the "Safe" Blue States. Voting Democratic in Texas is often a lost cause. But voting 3rd Party is Bad Performance Art.

unless you are one of the DUers who appreciated what he had to say.

It really has nothing to do with 3rd party candidates; it's just a matter of civility. There are many people who have common goals with Democrats who are not fans of parties or party politics. To them, the whole political arena isn't about parties, but about issues. Since we have common goals, I consider it a better practice to work together on those commonalities than to restrict courtesy to the party purists only.

I think of all the threads for sick, distressed or Du'ers who have died suddenly and the accolaids and prayers and wishes...and I see a thread like this with chuckles and "don't let the door hit your ass" and the rest of the stuff and I wonder if we aren't hypocrits.

If something happened to Walt would these same people be on here wishing him prayers and get wells? Would we be consoling his family.

Sheesh...get a grip...Walt was trying to help Kerry by figuring out those Medals that that Idiot Chimp stole...and many of you guys here are now dancing on him like he was nothing...

i was laughing at the fact that the blatent post was answered (and poster tombstoned) with the exact same timestamp. i don't really care WHO it is. THAT timestamp is some funny shit considering the tone and language of the OP.

Who expects to spend their whole lives on a message board? Who thinks there won't be a time when life moves them on to something else?

Seeing what is said when someone moves on or turns their back makes me wonder why anyone bothers to post anything at all.

:rofl:

Ill have onion and pepporoni. LOL.

Bwahhhhh?

WTF? I know Walt Starr can be a bit... aggressive, but in the end, he always calmed down, so long as you promised to leave his guns alone!

Is it me, or is the climate of this near dictatorship America is quickly becoming making some people a bit... uh...