It's Official South Park Has Lost It

Bashing Al Gore after every fuck up Bush has done. Are they satirists or right wing propagandists? Ignoring 6+ years of Bush being a complete incompetent fool just to mock Gore, a man that's hardly even in the national spotlight?

Let's stop defending them and call them what they really are, part of the fascist right wing propaganda campaign.

Tonight is my last episode of South Park.

hopefully you won't be back complaining about it next week

Who did they go after in that one? Liberals!
Screw them!

Did you watch the movie? Some of the actors they used as the liberal actors are friends of the show. They did bash Michael Moore, but they stuck it to the right wing in that one.

disabuse yourself of the notion that "Team America" was a strike against the right wing. They've said in plenty of interviews that they bashed liberal actors because they thought they should keep their mouths shut.

I tolerated about two episodes once upon a time, realized that I wasn't a 13-year old male Republican into potty-humor, and never tuned in again.

show up, so I'll say this:

I'm not exactly a big fan of South Park, but if it's on when I'm channel surfing I'll watch it. Sometimes it's pretty funny, but I've found that when they take on anything remotely political they end up delivering nothing but vapid broad brush RW charactures of whatever it is they're trying to mock. Note the frequent "hippie" bashing and their anti-intellectual bent. Sometimes it's good for cheap laughs, but I never put too much into their social commentary.

Yeah they are libertarian/conservative but that doesn't mean they aren't really fucking funny. I'm super-duper cereal! ^_^

Only Fox News is more clever.

Boondocks is my favorite comics of all time. The biting humor in Boondocks is very similar to South Park's. South Park more often than not bashes conservative points of view than they do liberal points of view. They do bash both sides often. However, 90% of the time when they bash liberals, they agree with the liberal view point, but are upset in the way we come across or in the way we present our case. I highly disagree with them on a lot of points, because they often buy into the MSM's portrayal of liberals (just like they did with Al Gore tonight).

Tonight's episode was stupid, but saying they're like faux is way off, and bashing them for something you disagree with is like people bashing The Boondocks cartoon for using the n-word.

Boondocks is indeed biting, topical satire about African American life written by an African American. Using the N-word is entirely appropriate because the N-word is used by African Americans.

South Park ridiculed Al Gore tonight, a candidate for president 6 years ago, and yet, somehow they can't write a single episode bashing Bush's failures. When you have to reach back in time for satire, whilst ignoring a huge, ripe satirical target in Bush, then that's the Fox News style.

They had a whole episode where bush was represented by a turd sandwich.

Also, they are the creators of "That's My Bush," which is a whole show that ridiculed bush....that's what the whole show was about.

screaming "Bush sux!" Then the lounge will be comfortable until the next time they are slighted by a breach of etiquette

Al Gore is somehow beyond satire? Oh please....

The Al Gore 2000 model was walking, talking parody at its best (insert obligatory qualification about how he's better than Dubya, how he won in 2000, etc. so I don't get flamed uneccessarily).

He was the stereotypical blow-dried, awkward, media-massaged candidate who epitomized what people didn't like about politicians.

NOBODY is beyond parody. Especially not self-important liberals.

Haven't you read any John Locke? One of the main tenets in everything he ever wrote is that you can't make fun of liberals.

I'll try to be more judgemental of non-liberals tomorrow. :D

and I agree with you guys on this though. Everytime it seems Parker and Stone poke fun at our side you get folk who say they're right wing propagandists. I think whining like that makes us look immature because of all the making fun family guy has done of conservatism and Bush my friend still loves it and he's a conservative. Gotta be able to laugh at yourself before you can laugh at others.

But satirizing someone who is not even in office, is not running for office, and not really even in the national spotlight shows that this show is purposely reaching to find Liberals to bash, yet, there's a parade of ass-clown right wing targets for them to choose from. Where's the Cheney episode? Where's the no WMDs episode? Where's the pre-war lying episode? Where's the incompetence episode?

Stop defending them.

coming out soon? And there's already early Oscar buzz? You could say he has been in the news lately.

Not Meet the Press.

Unclench, it must be hard to sit down.

claims if it WAS someone in office who was actually DOING something :eyes:

Whatever.

anyone make fun of the liberals waaah waaah waaaah.

Gee, I wonder why people think we're elitist snobs.

Meanwhile, they DO make fun of everyone. Prove me wrong and I may listen to your argument. Maybe.

I get so fucking tired of the liberal type that walk around with the attitude that the entire world should be a support group tailor made to be aware of every sensibility that they have.

For fucks sake it's a goddamned comedy show...build a bridge.

:eyes:

I saw the episode where they killed off the chef. It was supposed to be some sort of a riff off Scientology, but I don't know enough about that to get the joke. Anyway, it was disgusting. I won't be back. I don't like "Drawn Together" either. I only watch Comedy Central for "Daily Show" and "Colbert Report." And sometimes I watch the stand-up shows they air in the mornings. Other than that, I watch something else. If I had kids in the house I'd probably block it.

Except for a documentary on Global Warming, Gore hasn't been in the spotlight at all. Also, notice that they make Gore out to be a bumbling idiot, while during the Muhammed/Family Guy episode, they made Bush look like a steadfast (and articulate) supporter of the First Amendment. I'm not against them making fun of liberals at all (their shots at Barbara Streisand were pretty funny) but why Al Gore, especially when he hasn't been around much? They make fun of the left WAY more than they do the right, and while they do put out some funny episodes, some of them have become stale.

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movie they came out with in 1999....

I loved this that Roger Ebert said in his review of "Team America":

I wasn't offended by the movie's content so much as by its nihilism. At a time when the world is in crisis and the country faces an important election, the response of Parker, Stone and company is to sneer at both sides -- indeed, at anyone who takes the current world situation seriously. They may be right that some of us are puppets, but they're wrong that all of us are fools, and dead wrong that it doesn't matter.

I hadn't read that before, but those are my thoughts on their comedy precisely.

I can watch it, when I want to turn off my brain completely and just pretend to be 12 again and find fart jokes funny, but it's not high on my list of things to watch.

I do like some of SP, but I totally agree with Ebert. Very well put.

And as far as ignoring bush...they spent a whole episode where a turd sandwich represented bush.

How dare they?! :eyes:

It's bashing Gore while going soft on Bush.

I watched a couple of SP episodes in which Bush made an appearance. And in all of them HE WAS THE RATIONAL VOICE. No jabs at him at all.

Every now and then they do bash him, but with much less virulence.

So much for "they bash everyone, get over it."

They don't. They advertise themselves as such, and that's false advertising.

they are pretty retarded but dang that Yeneefer Lopez episode was hilarious

:rofl:

Let me make my point clear. I have no problem with people making fun of Liberals. I have no problem with satirizing Gore, Clinton, Nader, Michael Moore, Streisand, Al Franken, whatever.

I do have a problem with the honesty of the creators of South Park when they say they're satirists, when in reality they're right wing propagandists. Satirizing Gore six years AFTER the 2000 election shows their true political leanings. We've had 6 years of the most incompetent, inept, lying, treacherous administration in recent history, and the only satirical target they can write about is Al Gore?

And the satire was not even clever. Futurama satirized Gore much better, as well as SNL. That satire captured his essence. This satire was written on the level of a 12 year old.

Face it, South Park is Freeper humor.

Which is a whole show that all it does is make fun of bush.

They just had on South Park Jesus throwing poop on bush.

I'm a big Al Gore fan, and tonight's episode was stupid, but your point is incorrect. They make fun of bush all the time.

That show was planned for whoever won the election, and it was years ago.

The whole show was about bush. It showed him as an oaf.

Look, you may not like their type of humor, and that's fine....it's not for everybody. However, your accusations that they're right wing are completely baseless. They make fun of conservatives way more than liberals. They hit bush all the time, although not always directly. They never hit Clinton directly either.

If they're not right wingers, then where's the Cheney spoof? Where's the Condi Rice spoof? Where's the no WMDs spoof? Where's the Rumsfeld spoof? Where's the Fox news spoof? etc., etc., etc.


When they have to resort to mocking Al Gore, see the show for what it is. Freeper humor. Who's next? A show mocking FDR?

If you watch the show, they bash conservative few points way more often. In answer to this:

"they're not right wingers, then where's the Cheney spoof? Where's the Condi Rice spoof? Where's the no WMDs spoof? Where's the Rumsfeld spoof? Where's the Fox news spoof? etc., etc., etc."

They are nihilists and think all the politics is bullshit, and mostly make fun of our alarm at the situation. They make fun that we have huge reactions to that kind of stuff, and that the freepers have huge reactions to Terry Schiavo, 9/11, gays...ect. They make fun of us and them because we care. They don't care about any of that. Also, they usually only make fun of issues that most people are aware of. Most people don't know that faux news is propaganda, most people don't know that we didn't find WMDs, most people don't know how bad Condi and Rumsfeld are....hell, the South Park guys probably don't know that. We know how bad shit is because we're on DU. Most people walk around oblivious to what's going on, because the MSM is a major propaganda machine.

BTW...they did have a spoof on the no WMD's thing. bush was going to invade heaven, because Saddam Hussein was kicked out of hell (and went to heaven), and bush thought that heaven was building WMD's to attack America - so he wanted to invade heaven. That episode bashed the shit out of right wingers and them always bringing up 9/11 in situations that don't apply - and it bashed bush.

Their characterization of Al Gore was unfounded and unfunny...but it's one episode out of hundreds, and for you to say they're right wingers is a completely baseless argument.

I hardly ever watch them, that partic episode I caught and it was hilarious. It would not surprise me if they are freepers.
on the flip side, with this fucked up government if you say something that does not sit well with this white house, they would probably have the show yanked and in the end, the almighty $$$ is going to rule....

But if you're at all shocked by them making fun of liberals, then you haven't been paying attention. And hey, it's their show, they can make fun of whomever the fuck they want. Last I checked, satire doesn't require a liberal worldview.

They've done that in the past, but this year, almost every episode has been a frontal attack on Liberals. Meanwhile, nothing, absolutely nothing about Bush.

Folks, let's just agree to disagree.

If you like Freeper humor, good for you.

Like I said, it's their show, they can make fun of whomever they want. And to call it Freeper humour would requitre disregarding all the times they've made fun of religion, the Terri Schiavo issue, censorship, and things of the sort.

I don't support Freeper media.

For it to even be considered a Freeper show, you'd have to disregard their constant religion bashing and things of the sort. It might not be liberal, but it's not a Freeper show either. There's more to like than just liberals and conservatives.

Or maybe it's because satire doesn't work against Bush. I remember laughing my ass off at him when they nominated him in 2000. It's not so funny now.

The "big picture" is where the crux of the matter is, I think.

But I'm an old fart. :shrug:

...has lost it threads. Every fucking time that they do something that makes fun of someone who is liberal this board lights up with people complaining about it. Really people need to get a grip. Are people really taking anything that South Park has to say as serious commentary. The have a talking piece of feces and a towel that is strung out on the show. For fucks sake Oprah's vagina pulled a gun last week. So watch it, don't watch I don't give a shit and I am sure there are many others that don't give a shit either. In fact we probably rather you not watch it so you all don't come here and post that they have lost it.

Thank and you may go back to your regularly scheduled life.

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in Captain America when they showed liberals getting graphically shot one by one.

but, this season has sucked balls. No funny shows yet. I think they jumped the shark on tonight's, they reached way out there to bash gore, without even being funny while doing it. The cartman's gold gag was so obvious it wasn't funny, the second i saw it i said fake gold...

Ok, south park jumped the shark. I deleted them from my TiVo schedule..

the worst episode ever.

The only thing about it which was even kind of funny was seeing Cartman all bulging and ready to burst, and that's just recycling old SP humour. Nothing about the rest of the episode was funny in the least bit.

But then, this entire season has gone down hill.

And I agree with you that after 6 years of the worst president in history, it seems incredibly strange that SP would leave him untouched and instead devote an entire episode in the year 2006 to making Bush's opponent from 2000 out to be some sort of desperate homicidal maniac loner.

(That definition fits well for Bush, incidentally, but just a few weeks ago he was portrayed as some sort of heroic terrorist-fighting constitutional defender)

Yes, there's satire in it, but it's never been a current events sort of show. Why should they start now?

I was gonna post something similar. I'm sick of them. Don't tell me they bash everyone--the last time they depicted Bush, they made him look like the *sane* and *intelligent* one in a room full of media loonies. Fuck them. I've been a fan of the show since I first saw a bootleg of "The Spirit of Christmas," but this season sucks (with the exception of the Oprah episode--hilarious) and their rightward slant is obvious at this point. Why don't they make fun of fatheads in SUVs? No, they have to go after hybrids. And was this episode supposed to attack Gore's activism on global warming? Whatever. :eyes:

They said that hybrids are a good thing. Like others have said, it isn't necessarily that they disagree with liberal positions but how liberals present those messages. Acting like your better than everyone else for driving a hybrid isn't the best way to get people to drive them. That was the point of that show. Personally, with the exception of this episode, I think this season is very good. Although you have to be aware of how they are at odds with Comedy Central about pulling the scientology episode, which kind of defeats the purpose in some respects. Three of five episodes this season deal with them being upset with scientology and comedy central. It might be a little one note, but a lot of shows are like that.

the problem I had was HOW they chose to ridicule Gore. Of all the stereotypes of Gore we've collectively grown to recognize from the 1990's (stiff; emotionless; funny intonation during speeches) they crafted satire that, even if we disliked Gore and wanted to lampoon him, we can't recognize as a true reflection of Gore's idiosyncracies. Satire must contain some measure of truth to be effective - this program did none of that.

Another issue is that I felt that they derived the "manpigbear" concept from his constant warning on global warming. Now if that's the case, I dare say that perhaps THAT is a fairly "washed out" (no pun intended) joke from during the years preceding Hurricane Katrina - one of the WORST global warming-enduced natural disasters the United States has ever endured?

I don't like to place a label on South Park... I've seen them satirize every political angle (remember Mel Gibson?) But if they intended to show their Republican stripes by putting together this episode, I must conclude that they are seriously grasping at straws given the sitting duck nature of today's GOP. Desperate, poor writing.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1621715/posts?q=1&&page=151

BTW: I think we have a new Freeperism:

To: Panerai
One part that wasn't evident at first (for me) was their joke about 1/2 bear 1/2 pig 1/2 man doesn't make since. The math of global warming adds up the same way.



184 posted on 04/27/2006 2:56:56 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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Just because they mock fundies, that doesn't make them less freeper.

Doesn't make them any more Freeper.

They are not a liberal show. They are also not a freeper show. There is more to the political spectrum than liberals and freepers.

Never had the pleasure, but our nephew, when he was 13 thought it was great. He's 17 now and on to grown-up things

:eyes:

It's a cartoon show. It's intent is to be funny, it isn't a political show.

The more I see this kind of thinking the more I envision people finally just splitting into two angry mobs and hurling DVDs of crap TV shows at each other to make their "points".

All actions must be judged soley on their political effect :sarcasm:

Just be honest with yourself about what the show really is. It's right wing propaganda targeted at Liberals that occasionally goes after conservatives.

Watching South Park is the equivalent to watching Fox News.

I don't really enjoy south park, but I also don't enjoy this kind of ridiculous bullshit of painting everything as 'us' and 'them'. The world isn't painted two colours with a dividing line down the middle. Get over it.

Oh, and, it seems like you're trying to cover up your lack of debate skills with statements that do nothing more than cause a gut-level reaction in people. It's sloppy and you still ultimately lose.

is that nothing is off limits to them. I've seen episodes that definitely lean left and others that definitely go the other way. But you know what? I'm not counting. I have much better things to do with my time than overanalyze a cartoon. If it offends you, then don't watch it, by all means. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that MY value system works for everyone (and that's probably a good thing for the future of the human race, what with my being gay and all... :P ). Isn't that what democracy is about?

:boring:

The same arguments people here are using to defend SP were used to defend Rush. "Oh, he's funny." "Oh, you liberals need sense of humor." "I'm a liberal and I love Rush." etc.

It's the same thing all over again.

...sometimes liberals need to be reminded of why they should sometimes use more care when certain issues (worded to the extreme) make a previoiusly undecided John Q. Public go running (scared) to pull the Republican lever as quickly as he can.

But Parker and Stone are not pop culture geniuses, nor as cool as they think they are.

One of our sacred cows gets ramrodded and all of a sudden the show is bad? Please, they rip on everyone and 90% of the time they are dead on correct. How mad do you think the fundies are at them? The Mormans? The Scientologists? The Catholic church? Mel Gibson? Rosie O'Donnell? It goes on and on, they hit everyone and everything. They don't believe in global warming and think Gore is just grandstanding to get himself back in the spotlight. So what? South Park is still one of the best and funniest shows ever on TV. I'm totally super duper cereal.

One of the main tenets of Conservatism (especially the Freeper branch) is if you don't make fun of Bush, you are automatically a Freeper, and anyone who doesn't automatically object to such a lack of mockery is also automatically encompassed in said Freeperdom. Burke wrote at least 5 books on the subject.

HAH! You have exposed your true colors now!! You had a chance to say how much you hate the republicans, and you didn't, so clearly, you are a troll and a freeper!!!!!!

By the way, I hate this administration and Shrubbie and Rove and everyone else in Fuckstick's government, because I'm a TRUE liberal, who didn't miss his chance to criticize. Also, I don't think that there is one single liberal democrat anywhere, in the world, or over all time, who did anything that is worth critiquing or satirizing, because they were and are and will be all totally, 100% perfect.

I'm sure you will be okay with them again.

It. Is. A. Cartoon.

It holds no real meaning or influence on anyone, unless allowed to.

And clearly worth the righteous anger of boycotting and say how horrible it is, and how it is obviously part of a vast rightwing propagandistic conspiracy.

Because God knows that to criticize or satire a liberal is tantamount to worshiping the devil.

Even the liberal satire is within hundreds of hours of satire of conservatives.

I'm with you, Yavin4 - I think we need to make sacred cows of everything liberal, and if anything that we believe in deeply gets touched by anyone with unclean hands, or is criticized/satirized in any way, we need to do the liberal equivalent of burning the danish embassy, because we know that's a reasonable, justified, and MATURE response.

Come, we go throw feces at Trey and Parker and let them know that we believe in free speech except when its directed at us! Come!!

that we will not tolerate anyone speaking against our sacred cows. Other people's sacred cows are just fine, but we have to let the world know that we are too immature to handle criticism and satire of our own!

I might watch old episodes, but I'm not interested in watching bodily functions.

And I think Michael Moore is brilliant.

Lighten up, Al Gore is an adult and he can take the heat.