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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:06 AM
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Are you aware of the dangers of Yoga?
Read all about them here: http://www.yogadangers.com/
Sponsored by Fundy Freakazoid International.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:10 AM
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1. ............


Boy are some people stupid.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 01:51 PM
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23. I don't believe those who are responsible for this libel are stupid...
They're afraid of losing their paying customers to another religion.

But those who believe this pile of hooey...Yes, they are stupid. :eyes:
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:18 AM
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2. That's kundalini
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 02:52 AM by u4ic
a specific type of yoga, and not the more common kind, like hatha or ashtanga.

I've heard some pretty strange stories about kundalini, too.

edit: I've read a bit more of the site, yes they are the FF gang, however the kundalini bit still applies.

The rest, from what I read...nah, I don't think so.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:12 PM
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24. I'm not familiar with Kundalini
But I don't trust the "testimonies" that denigrate the form on their website. Their biggest concern seems to be the lack of Jesus talk during practice.

A BBC News item I saw on TV last night filmed a "Christian Yoga" class which played Christian Rock music while people practiced. It seemed to exemplify this fundy addiction to yakking and noise in order to avoid the frightening silence of their souls. It's as if spending time listening to the silence might wake them from their reverie that God will reward their chattering drivel with handouts from heaven.

I suspect Kundalini is no more dangerous than this.
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 12:09 AM
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43. The release of energy with Kundalini
can be very powerful, and even overwhelming to some. (sex as well, and look what the fundies think about that, too. :eyes:) Control, control, control...and yes, agree about the Jesus thing. It would be one of those heathen practices, wouldn't it?

What it looks like they've done is lump kundalini and all other yogas together - there are quite a few different kinds.

But, yes, they look pretty crazy. They mention the Toronto Blessing a lot, and I'm hoping it's not a Canadian website. :puke:

I'm not an expert on it by any means, but I did look into it a few years ago. The 'awakening' can happen.
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:19 AM
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3. They think it's side effects
of psychotrophic medications. What losers.
:puke:
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 07:46 AM
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4. It's a scary world out there! More examples:
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 09:42 AM
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15. Did you check out how in that Tai Chi link ..
it starts out admitting that "christians" (the ones they're talking about anyway) bemoan separation of church and state except when it applies to other religions? Hey, at least they're being honest!
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 10:48 AM
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18. LOL, good catch! nt
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:16 PM
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25. OHHhhh we've got trouble! Right here in River City!
:rofl:
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:19 PM
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26. I love the South Park review ...
And many times the child characters were saying things like "What's the big deal" (about the foul language). "Suck my --", "Let's ((homo)sexual intercourse)":rofl:
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:32 PM
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57. Well, that does it.
I'm just going to spend the rest of my life in my apartment reading the bible and praying to Jebus!

:sarcasm:
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 07:55 AM
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5. Wait, here's a great resource. Fundie evaluations of Hollywood Movies
Here's an excerpt from the report on "Toy Story."

"Impudent and hateful matters include Potato Head (voice of Don Rickles) taking his lips off and kissing his own posterior with them to express his opinion of another, lots of name-calling, arguing, brat tactics, adolescent meanness and one veiled foul word.

The only sexually-oriented content of Toy Story was a quite suggestive character called "Legs" which is a pair of adult human female-looking legs attached to (I think) a yo-yo, making it a walking yo-yo. That would seem innocuous enough but the "bare skin" legs did not stop at what would be the hemline of, say, a pair of street shorts. Shading and shadowing was used a couple times to augment the gluteal musculature."

http://www.capalert.com/capreports/



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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 08:12 AM
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6. Gluteal musculature??
I swear, these guys get off on talking about all things sexual while professing to be conservative. :eyes: Gluteal musculature, my ass ;)
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 09:09 AM
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10. Can't you just hear it in Pat Robertson's voice. nt
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:24 PM
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28. ...as he licks his lips
:rofl:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:23 PM
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27. Oh my god...NOT gluteal musculature!
:spray:
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 05:07 PM
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41. The review of Quest for Fire is hilarious - I'm surprised whoever
wrote it didn't have a stroke. This is a movie so heinous, so awful, so ungodly, that "promotion of evolution" is the least of its crimes!

I, incidentally, went to see the movie about four times when I was ten, and loved it. Suck on that, Christian Spotlight On The Movies!
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 02:56 PM
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47. I love that movie!
But I guess any movie that depicts humankind before Adam and Eve would be offensive to them. Especially if they had sex. :rofl:
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miss_american_pie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 08:16 AM
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7. Fruit. Loops.
:eyes:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:25 PM
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29. yup
KooKoo for Cocoa Puffs.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 08:33 AM
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8. holy moly! I've awakened my Kundalini and didn't even know it
I've got several of these symptoms:

Some of the reported symptoms of a "Kundalini Awakening":

Mental confusion, difficulty concentrating, memory problems

Severe emotional mood swings -anxiety, depression, rage, fear and dread

Sleep disturbances

Gastrointestinal problems, irritable bowel syndrome

Itching, burning, cramping, twitching of skin and body

Electrical rushes and feelings of energy moving throughout the body

Ego problems, grandiose and paranoid states

Psychic, trance states and out-of-body experiences

Sexual and hormonal difficulties

Uncontrollable vocalizations, chanting and body contortions

Ringing, rushing, and hissing sounds in ears

Paranormal activity - levitations, possession states, and spiritual assault

Inability to function effectively enough to work or care for children

Symptoms can last for years

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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 08:36 AM
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9. Ive done Kundalini Yoga when I was younger.
It's pretty physically demanding.

But these symptons sound like someone who did too much acid. Doesn't sound like Kundalini to me.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 09:12 AM
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11. aw, jeez...and I've eaten a bunch of acid, too. I'm surely going to Hell.
All joking aside, I do think people should be aware of the dangers of yoga. For instance, not everybody should do the headstand...you can really hurt your neck if you are not ready for it, and I think people put a disproportionate emphasis on the pose anyway. And as for pranayama: holding one's breath is not what Patanjali was talking about.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:32 PM
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21. People shouldn't really do any kind of physical excercise
without learning how to do it properly.

I did yoga of all sorts for years - but I was young and physically fit at the time.

I don't think I would try it now without a really careful instructor. You can really hurt yourself if you put pressure on your back or neck in the wrong place.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:34 PM
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32. Excellent point...
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:32 PM
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31. Thank you for posting...
I was hoping that someone who'd actually practiced could speak about it.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:54 AM
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54. There are lots of kinds of yoga.
But if you are out of shape even the mildest stretching can pull muscles.

Kundalini Yoga is very physically demanding. I used to get out of class and my legs would be shaking so badly I could hardly drive. And I was very young and very in shape at that time in my life.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:27 PM
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30. Sounds like some of the same symptoms experienced by
Pentecostals.
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 09:17 AM
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12. Yoda is dangerous!
He's little and green and can kick your butt with a light saber, man!! I saw the movie!!

Oh wait ...

Seriously, though, yoga is dangerous because I was really into it a couple of years ago and I felt really energetic to the point that I started riding my bike to work and that took profits away from the oil companies, so yeah, it's evil.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 01:16 PM
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22. I remember his as a kindly little guy. I don't think he is
dangerous.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:42 PM
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33. That kind of evil
live with I can!
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 09:22 AM
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13. to steal a line from this week's Boston Legal:
looks like someone's been practicing Yoga since they've limbered up enough to stick their head up their arse.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:43 PM
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34. ...
:spray::rofl:
I wish I could nominate your reply!
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Kashka-Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 09:36 AM
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14. hate to rain on the parade but this can occur - it happened to me &
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 09:38 AM by Kashka-Kat
some other people I know. And I'm not what youd call "spiritual" except in a vague, undefined paganistic kind of way. I think it might have to do w/ alterations in hormonal balance or brain chemistry or whatever... it can be avery powerful thing esp if overdone or done in conjuncion w/ fasting. I did over do it. It actually eliminated my depression and I thought if less is good, more must be better.

But I imagine most Americans arent going to push themselves all that hard with anything LOL.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:47 PM
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35. I don't doubt that...
But people can use anything to fuck their own minds up...ESPECIALLY fundamentalism (whether it be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or whatever)
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Kashka-Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 04:15 PM
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39. Yep, aint saying that aint true.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 10:30 AM
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16. Oh, I thought they were going to tell us about injuries...
Like how you can strain a ligament like I recently did. Little did I know that all this time I've also been harming my very soul! :evilfrown:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:48 PM
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36. It ripped at the same time your ligament did
That's how deceptive Yoga can be! :P

Hope you're feeling better!
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 10:41 AM
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17. Sceptical, you are
;)
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:51 PM
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37. ...
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 11:09 AM
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19. This was good

Those who have practiced yoga often comment that you have to do more and more of it to get the same relaxing effects.  The most common problem I hear from people involved with yoga is that after a while the effect wears off and then they slip into depression and insomnia, often for years.  There are very powerful spirits behind yoga that will turn against you unless you submit to their program.   These spirits have a direct effect on the body and enable it to do some of the things that yoga demands especially enabling the body to flex into abnormal positions. 


It's the spirits that make your body move and you MUST submit to them. It has nothing to do with the physiology of increasing your range of motion. :eyes:
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 11:48 AM
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20. sure, go ahead and laugh
but I'll tell you, I did the plough pose one too many times and now that damn Yog Sothoth won't leave me alone. Aaaagh, the visions! The nameless dread! Aaaaaargh! Ia, Shub-Niggurath! Cthulhu fthagn! Yog Sothoth neblod zin! Ia! Io! Nov shmoz ka pop! Ph'nglui mgIw'nafld nagcopaleen Baile atha Cliath wgah'nagl fthagn....
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:54 PM
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38. Gosh...We'd better all just sit on our couches and watch Pat Robberson
Ya think?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 04:55 PM
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40. Nothing that Beano can't handle.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 02:58 PM
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48. Does that eliminate gas from the brain, too?
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 05:18 PM
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42. I hurt myself trying to do the splits...
ouch. And some of that crazy yoga stuff looks painful to me... but psychosis? I doubt that.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 03:01 PM
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49. I understand that having a good coach is important
for the spiritual element as well as the physical.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 01:29 AM
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44. A personal anecdote
I used to be a daily practicioner of kundalini yoga. My teachers were wonderful and I personally found it to be a valuable practice on many levels. (I only stopped because I moved to another part of the country and have yet to find teachers as wonderful as I once had).

We practiced sessions that targetted different areas of health, life, and spirituality, including focus on specific chakras. At one point well into the practice, we did sessions that targetted the highest chakra. It felt great at the time....

....but it made me very ditzy in daily life. I spent a couple of weeks going up to strangers and greeting them as old friends. Many people who casually passed by my life, I thought I recognized as familiar to me. Weird. A similiar experience -- and the only such prior experience -- happened to me as a very young child as I awakened from an operation performed under anesthesia, when I mistook one of the nurses for a neighbor.

Trust me -- I am not ordinarily prone to extraordinary consciousness experiences.

My teachers could not advise me as to why I got so ditzy, but suggested that the effects of kundalini might be challenging

The book "Living with Kundalini", which outlines the experiences of an Indian man in yogic practice, not all of which were unambiguously positive, helped me to understand my personal weird experience. I conjecture that this book -- taken out of context, of course -- may be the source of much of the "DANGER DANGER DANGER!" stuff which is making the rounds among persons who are not comfortable with the Hindu roots of yoga.

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 03:14 PM
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50. Thank you for posting your experience...
Edited on Fri Apr-28-06 03:44 PM by GoddessOfGuinness
I'll see if I can find that book...it sounds interesting.

I think those "christians" who present this as dangerous to their following are playing on people's fear in order to keep them in the fold.

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 03:42 PM
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53. I've read it. It IS interesting.
From what I've read in general, messing with the esoteric sciences can really screw you up. However, that's part of their reason for being-- the trick is they need to screw you up in the right way!
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 08:04 AM
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45. Yoga is dangerous, but speaking in tongues is normal?
I've watched people meditate and I've practiced meditation techniques. I've also watched people speak in tonues, although that is something that I've never experienced personally for myself. I know which one I thought was scarier, and it wasn't the people peacefully meditating.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 03:24 PM
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51. That's what I think, too
There are elements of spirituality which we know little about. There are documented reports of people falling into a self-induced, non drug-related psychosis while exploring their inner-self. One group of pentecostal types would do this while holding rattlesnakes, faithful that they'd be protected by the Holy Spirit.

No danger there, eh?
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Neoma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 08:07 AM
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46. Unbelievable.
Totally.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 03:37 PM
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52. They're a bunch of
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 08:14 AM
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55. When you have arthritis in your toe joints like I do...
Every yoga move is agony.

Specially when you have to put your feet and hands on the floor and arch your back. Aiyeeeeeee! My toes no longer enjoy supporting the full weight of my body.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:22 PM
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56. A gentle awakening means a gentle flow of energy.
Anything else can result in what's cited above.
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