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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 10:36 AM
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Think about it: If light had mass...



:P :P :P
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:43 PM
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1. I tried but you people just don't understand the danger of light.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:44 PM
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2. If light had mass it wouldn't be able to travel at the speed of light
That would be wierd.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 12:46 PM
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3. And then we could conceivably outrun it.
Without using some sort of handwavium cheat, that is. :o :crazy:
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 01:17 PM
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6. What if I went back in time and killed my Grandfather when he was a child?
Then I never would have been born to go back in time and kill my Grandfather. :silly: Or something.
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 01:58 PM
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8. Yeah, but
paradoxes can be paradoctored.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:16 PM
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16. That reminds me of one of the best lines in Futurama
(Professor, to Fry): "Oho, a lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm My Own Grandfather!!"
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 01:14 PM
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4. So what about that Einstein thought experiment...
Where an 1g-accelerating elevator is indistinguishable from a Earth mass? Doesn't the experimenter shine a light beam on the wall, and it bends downward due to the accleration/"gravity"?

(this memory is from 20 years ago, so I'm obviously confused. Can you set me straight?)
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 01:15 PM
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5. yes, well, if food did not have mass
we would be equally dead.
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 01:54 PM
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7. AND
if barbara bush's ass had less mass, she'd STILL be a disturbingly ugly cow.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 08:09 PM
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29. Even Babs can't alter the physical laws of the universe...
I can try, damn it!



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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:23 PM
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9. ...it would be Catholic
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 02:25 PM by Richardo
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:54 PM
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14. You preempted me, sort of
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 02:54 PM by jpgray
I need a cockpunch smiley. I already posted and everything.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 04:27 PM
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28. Yours is funnier..
...but too late, sucka!
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:17 PM
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17. ...
:thumbsup:

:bounce:
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:43 PM
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10. ....we'd be on our ass.
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:46 PM
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11. It does, if it didn't, it would not be affected by gravity.
nt
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:47 PM
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12. Applauds the first smart poster
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 02:50 PM by DrDebug
9.1093826 × 10?31 kg / electron =
0.00000000000000000000000000091093826 g
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:05 PM
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15. Dudes on a physics forum say it DOESN'T have mass
Question
How does gravity alter the trajectory of light?

Answer
According to Einstein's General Relativity Theory,light will be affected in the same way matter is affected by gravity. This is because under this theory, we should think of gravity not in terms of vector like forces, but as a consequence of the "shape" of the universe.

From Newton's point of view, gravity was a linearly directed force with which all objects with mass pulled on all other objects with mass. His analysis showed that the strength of the force was proportional to the product of the 2 masses attracting one another, and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. Thus an apple and the earth would pull toward each other, and the apple "falls" from the tree. Since light (whether perceived as a ray or a photon) has no mass, Newton's equation predicts that it will not be attracted by gravity towards anything, no matter how massive.

In order to construct a theoretical framework that would be consistent to all observers and that did not rely on some independent fixed reference frame, Einstein had to discard this perception of how gravity works and devise a new understanding. According to this theory, all object with mass alter the curvature of spacetime, the 4 dimensional fabric of the universe. Objects moving through spacetime then simply follow the curves that have been created.

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae661.cfm

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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:22 PM
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18. A box of light has more mass than a box of dark.
Thats a true statement, a box confining photons through use of perfect mirrors would have more mass with photons in it. Light undeniably has relatavistic mass. Further, it has momentum and can impart momentum to that which it strikes.

So it depends what the definition of "mass" is.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:40 PM
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21. Not the same as a proton or a neutron though
which have REAL mass and cannot travel at the speed of light.
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:44 PM
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23. "So it depends what the definition of "mass" is"--isn't that
Clinton's testimony?

:P
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:48 PM
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25. And look at all the trouble he got into
:rofl:
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:50 PM
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26. Yep, right after Monica showed him her
...(m)ass...
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:38 PM
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20. Think again
Poster with batchelor's degree in physics (i.e. me) says photons do not have mass.
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:42 PM
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22. When I asked a physics major once...
"Does light have mass?", his answer was (after a pause) "It has no rest-mass."

Is that true?
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:47 PM
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24. That is true
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 03:48 PM by billyskank
As an object increases its speed, it mass becomes 1 / (1 - (v / c)^2) times greater, where v is its velocity. You can see that when v = c, the coefficient becomes infinite, which is why nothing else can travel that fast.

Photons can do it precisely because they have zero rest mass, so their relativistic mass becomes 0 * (1 / 0) which is a bit of a mathematical grey area. ;)
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:52 PM
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27. That's hot
(not my opinion--Paris Hilton's)

:rofl:
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:53 PM
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13. The priests would read from Genesis: "Let there be us"
Edited on Thu Apr-27-06 02:57 PM by jpgray
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 03:24 PM
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19. Love it. nt
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