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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:35 PM
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Do you believe in extraterrestrial life?
And I don't necessary mean UFOs,but even viruses and microbes in other galaxies.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:38 PM
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1. Yes.
I don't think we are on the only planet in the universe
that supports life.

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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:39 PM
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2. Yes. n/t
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:40 PM
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3. Yup
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:41 PM
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4. Sure.
There are so many planets out there; some form of life must exist somewhere.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:45 PM
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5. It's pretty much a mathematical impossibility that there's not
Edited on Sat May-13-06 09:51 PM by TroubleMan
life on other planets.

There are more stars in our galaxy than there are grains of sand on the earth. Think about that...and that's just our galaxy....there are billions of galaxies out there (maybe trillions).

There's no way we could be the only ones, just because of the sheer number of stars. You have better odds of winning the lottery every day of your life, than the odds of there being no other life anywhere in the universe.

I don't think that any other life has visited the Earth, but I know there are other planets with life on it.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:58 PM
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6. But that's offset by the variables that must be present
to allow any type of life.

I think it's a statistical standoff.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:57 AM
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19. That assumes 'life' only as we define it
The Rules could be different elsewhere.
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:42 AM
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45. Actually, it's funny that basic life doesn't require as much
as one might think. This was demonstrated by the Miller Experiment. They just used water, hydrogen, ammonia, methane, and an electric arc--and voila! In a little while there were amino acids and other basic components of life. A few variations on the early atmosphere of earth yielded similar results.

If you combine this with the Drake equation and Geoff Marcy's work on extrasolar planets, then it starts to look like a statistical probability.

Just my .02.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:19 AM
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7. Of course.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:19 AM
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8. I guess you could call it a belief
Edited on Sun May-14-06 12:19 AM by nuxvomica
I think it's likely that complex life forms have evolved in other star systems as long as there are conditions for the creation of collections of complex molecules that self-replicate and are randomly modified in large populations in an environment that's stable long enough for selection of successful modifications. Ideally, such creatures would be friendly, consume large quantities of greenhouse gasses and piss oil.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:24 AM
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9. I think some landed on me.
I've had a rash for almost a week now. :rofl:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:24 AM
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10. yes
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:28 AM
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11. I believe that there is a good chance. I do not believe they have ever
been to earth.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:32 AM
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30. Ditto
I believe there is other sentient life in the universe. I do not believe it has ever been here, however.

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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:50 AM
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35. Nice to know I am not alone.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:08 AM
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40. I don't think there's any other reasonable answer
Edited on Sun May-14-06 02:09 AM by htuttle
It seems inconceivable that given that vastness of known space, no other self-reflective bio-chemical processes have come about.

OTOH, given the vastness of space, it seems inconceivable that any other self-reflective bio-chemical processes have spent 15,000 years to get here (if the speed of light is indeed inviolate, that's how long it takes us to get to the nearest star right now). Considering that humans don't even have a reliable way to transmit the message, "Wait for the return message", even 1,000 years into the future much less tens of thousands of years, I'm not terribly surprised that we haven't had direct communications with another sentient species at this point.
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:32 AM
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12. "Believing" in extraterrestrial life is like believing in the tooth fairy.
Need scientific proof.

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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:34 AM
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14. So you need proof Floo?
I am agnostic on a few things too.
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:46 AM
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17. I read ya, bro.
:)

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Neoma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:34 AM
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13. Yes.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:36 AM
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15. Yeah. I think that's where Paris Hilton came from too.
:rofl:
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:41 AM
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16. If there isn't other life out there, it'd be an awful waste of space.
There is just so much out there, even the evidence we have of possible water on Mars points to possible life on other planets.

I think there was something that life could be possible on one of the moons of Saturn or Jupiter, far beneath the ice.

Contact is one of my favorite movies, so this is a good question.

:hi:
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:08 AM
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27. Belief vs. knowledge
Ann Druyan: " didn't want to believe. He wanted to know."

I *believe* it to be highly likely, but all we *know* right now is only that it's happened at least once. A complete theory of biogenesis would help for starters.

Say the universe contains a hundred billion galaxies each containing a hundred billion stars on average. That gives us 10^22 stars. But what if life is so uncommon that it's less than a 1 in 10^22 shot?

Either we are alone or we are not. Both possibilities are compelling.

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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:52 AM
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50. It is compelling.
Especially looking at Mars, and that moon. If that much chance of current life, or prior life exists/existed in our solar system, imagine how many more solar systems, planets, and even moons might support it.

:)
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:56 AM
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18. yes n/t
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:58 AM
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20. It would be incredibly arrogant
to believe we are all there is.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:58 AM
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21. I was thinking the same thing when I first opened up this thread.
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:59 AM
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22. What if we believed that there was some kind of microbe on Mars?
Would that be arrogant? :)

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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:10 AM
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28. I don't understand the question
:shrug:
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:51 PM
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54. That's what my mother used to say.
:)
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MiniMandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:59 AM
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23. Yeah...
My science teacher made a good point last year.

"Every star gives off light and heat. If just 1 in every 10,000 stars was like ours, and just every 1 in 10,000 of those supported a planet like earth... That's still a lot of numbers. That would be more earths that people that are on this planet at this very moment."
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:01 AM
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24. Odds are we aren't unique
Edited on Sun May-14-06 01:02 AM by jpgray
But in that case odds are that intelligent, human-like life only lasts in a detectable state for a cosmically short period of time, or otherwise there would be metric tons of evidence all around for us to find. So either we are alone, or our type tends to die off before any lasting imprint is left on the universe.
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spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:02 AM
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25. How can you not believe?
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:04 AM
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26. I'll stick with Fermi on this one
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spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:49 PM
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56. Fermi? I looked and looked & I found NO Fermi on this board!
And Yes I am blond & from outer space.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:29 AM
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29. Sure. UFO's, no. Extraterrestral life? Of course.
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:35 AM
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31. Are you saying that there have never been any unidentified flying objects?
?

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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:46 AM
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33. Sure there are unidentified flying objects....
...but not from Planet IX from Outer Space...;-)
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:06 AM
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38. Okay.
Thanks for the clarification. ;)

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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:38 AM
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32. I'm open to the possibility that it exists
:shrug:
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:48 AM
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34. There HAS to be live elsewhere in the universe.
I mean, how can there not be?

I just hope they are friendly (and that we don't just shoot first and ask questions later if and when they arrive).
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:04 AM
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37. We will
We'll have every gun we can get our hands on trained on 'em. :eyes:

We distrust each other; we're exponentially so about that which we do not understand.

If there is other intelligent life, and it happens to contact us in my lifetime, I should hope to attempt communication. So I hope they land at my house.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:08 AM
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39. I watched 'The Day The Earth Stood Still' recently...
and I forgot that when Klaatu first exists his ship and pulls out a device he was going to give the president of the United States, some scared/nervous soldiers shoots him and knocks it out of his hand. Not to mention the hundreds of soldiers with their guns trained on him! How sad.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:25 AM
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41. Can you imagine that now?
If they landed smack in the middle of D.C.? With today's paranoia?

They'd never get to land without a force field or materials that make titanium look like popsicle sticks glued together, though. We'd have a squadron of FA-18s and banks of SAMs on 'em long before that.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:51 AM
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36. it is a certainty
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:28 AM
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42. Yes.
I'd say there is only the remotest of possibility that there isn't sentient life as well.
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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:30 AM
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43. The law of large numbers says
that somewhere in the galaxy there has to be somewhere else where life has evolved.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:40 AM
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44. it would be pretty damn hard to believe otherwise
The universe is a huge place...you'd have to be totally superstitious to think that our planet is the only one out of a potentially infinite number of worlds that supports life.
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:48 AM
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46. Yes. I believe there are other intelligent lifeforms.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:15 AM
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47. Yes, although I. haven't run across any myself.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:17 AM
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48. Oh Yeah
DUH
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:19 AM
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49. Yes.
I've seen no evidence to suggest that universe revolves around us earthlings (human, animal, viral or microbial).
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:55 AM
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51. I think life elsewhere in the universe is inevitable.
I don't believe two places having life will ever be able to communicate, but I think that life is a natural consequence of the chemistry of carbon, hydrogen nitrogen, and oxygen. It may be rare, but the scale of the universe certainly suggests it is not unknown elsewhere.
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Ivan Sputnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:28 PM
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52. Sure
I would be surprised if there aren't at least microbes elsewhere, maybe even in this solar system. I'm uncertain about intelligence elsewhere. We always assume that they would be more or less like us -- but they might be so totally different (so "alien") that we wouldn't be able to communicate with them, understand their motivations, or even recognize them as beings.

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AccessGranted Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:50 PM
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53. Yes
It would be arrogant for us to think that we've it in something as vast as the universe and beyond. There's something or somebody out there, but I can't imagine what or who!
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:53 PM
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55. Definitely
I'm sure there is advanced life out there - we're probably primitive compared to some.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 01:06 AM
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57. Didn't they find evidence of extinct microbes on Mars a few years back?
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Strangefire Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 01:15 AM
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58. Yes.
With such a wondrously vast magnitude of suns and their planets, I think it's highly likely that other forms of life have evolved elsewhere in the universe.

I just hope there aren't any bugmen. I hate bugmen.
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