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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:15 PM
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I killed a baby cottonmouth this morning.
As I was starting out on my morning walk, I saw a little 4"-5" snake in the grass next to the driveway. I put the end of one of my walking sticks next to it to move the grass for a better look and the little bastard struck at the stick.

I thought if this kid is so agressive now, what's he gonna be like full grown? I mashed him.
Now I have to keep an eye out for mom & dad, brothers & sisters.
:-(

Disclaimer: I have a deal with poisonous snakes. If they stay off the property, I leave 'em alone.
Non-poisonous ones I don't bother.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:18 PM
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1. That's my karma rule, too.
Once you're in the house spider, mouse, ant, etc, you're fair game. Otherwise, I will totally leave you alone.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:22 PM
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2. Snakes totally creep me out....
I can't even go into the snake house in the zoo.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:25 PM
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3. what about lizards? I am just wondering
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:27 PM
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6. I am not big on those, either...
:(

Happily, there aren't many of either in Chicago. :)
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:29 PM
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8. I petted a 12 foot long boa constrictor once when it was on a lawn.
Edited on Fri May-26-06 05:05 PM by CottonBear
It was very cool and satiny smooth to the touch. (It was a pet snake on display at a public event at a local park.)

Some people (mostly older women) saw it and, from a distance of 20 feet from the snake, began screaming and crying hysterically. :eyes: They probably scared the snake.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:33 PM
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10. Just the thought makes me shudder...
:scared:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 03:51 AM
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50. I'm with you on that one.
Poor snake probably got its feelings hurt too.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 01:49 AM
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55. Snakes can't hear
But if they could, I'm sure he would have been chuckling.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:25 PM
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4. good god we had a baby snake in our pool last weekend--
it was swimming straight for our terrified 4 y/o neighbor girl, who had her mouth open, and it damn near swam in there.

Hubs picked her up & out...i of course got stuck catching & disposing of said snake (flung it over the fence toward the bayou).

oy


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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:27 PM
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7. If it's poisonous, even the babies can pack a wallop.
Pool cleaner over in the Florida panhandle almost lost his thumb when he picked up what he thought was a dead baby moc.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:38 PM
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13. this thing was about 7 inches, all brown, not aggressive...
no shovel-shaped head...could it have been a moc?
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:44 PM
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15. Triangular shaped head
Characteristic of most North American poisonous snakes (pit vipers) except coral snakes.

Here's a harmless black racer


Here's a juvenile cottonmouth.
You can see the triangular or spade shaped head.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:46 PM
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17. oh lordy, it wasn't a moc, but I've pulled one or 2 out of the pool
before.

euw.

Thank you sooooo much for the info!
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 12:42 AM
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46. In fact, baby poisonous snakes are worse that the adult variety.
Babies don't know how to control the flow of venom in a bite.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:27 PM
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5. Our office snake was lying about in the back yard in the sun today.
Edited on Fri May-26-06 04:29 PM by CottonBear
(My office is in an old house with a yard.) He or she is a black rat snake about 4.5 feet long. We've had no mouse problems at all since it took up residence in the crawl space. :)

We just had a thunderstorm and it zoomed back under the crawlspace via the hole where the HVAC line goes through the foundation wall. It's a nice snake. I keep a shallow basin of water out for it (and the birds, squirrels and chimpmunks) and it lays in there and chills out. We had baby rat snakes a few yers ago. Maybe this one is one of those babies.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:31 PM
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9. We have black racers (I think).
I just know they're black and fast as hell.
They're also cannibalistic.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 05:07 PM
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18. Those are really cool snakes! They sure are fast movers!
I once found one eating my pet duck's eggs when she left her nest. I leaned down to check on the eggs and came face to face with a snake eating an egg. :scared: That really startled me!
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:36 PM
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11. Help Trof, I have the same problem!
:-(

The guy who cuts my grass just came by as I was pulling in ... he mowed today and I missed him earlier.

But he told me that an old flower bed, which I admit I don't pay much attention to, is a copperhead haven with at least two of them, so there are probably babies around too. Yuck!

How do I get rid of them? ???

I don't want to be in my yard, or any family members be here and get bit this summer.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:38 PM
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12. You can try moth balls.
I read online that the fumes paralyze their lungs, but it may take a while.
Maybe it would act as a repellent.
Works pretty well to keep roaches and spiders out of our little well pump house.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:41 PM
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14. I will try that
That at least gives me something to go on. I've never had this problem before. :P
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lumberingbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:45 PM
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16. BABY KILLER, BABY KILLER !!!
(Of course I would have done the same thing...:shrug: )

:hi:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:54 PM
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19. My grandma killed a coral snake once...
She was turning her mulch pile and found it resting in there. She was glad she had her spading fork.
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:01 PM
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20. When I was five years old
We were visiting the people who sold us our dog. Their place was surrounded by a corn field. I was ruffling my way through the corn when I heard the distinct sound of a rattler. I looked down and saw the tail rattling away. Now mind you, I have never heard of rattle snakes and was never warned about them, yet my natural instincts told me to turn and run,and I did.

I just got my first set of hearing aids when this happened. A body aid. If I haven't been wearing this I probably would have kept on going and got bit by the rattle snake because I would have never heard him.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:13 PM
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21. I have killed
about 20 baby cotton mouths, they tend to get in our lawn, and i see them while mowing, and run over them, plus when i go on my 3.5 mile walk every day, i see them crossing the road as well...we have to keep our lawn super short, if i let the lawn go for more than 7 days, they come a crawling...its all a new lifestyle for me, im from SE Alaska, and i never had to deal with snakes.

I do let the non-poisonous ones live, grass snakes, ring snakes, and Black/king snakes...but the poisionous ones, get no pass if they are in my yard, or if i come across them in the middle of the road...sorry, if that seems cruel...
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:16 PM
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23. aren't they still pretty poisonous even when they are little?
I heard they are so small that the poison is actually pretty concentrated in them. I assume they can still do some damage even when they are small.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:21 PM
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25. yes
thats what the info i pulled online says, and what my wife, and inlaws say, so i take no chances when they are that close. I also have had to deal with water mochasins as well, now those things, in my three experiences, are drawn towards you, while you are in the water swimming and making noise, and seem to me, to be a LOT more aggresive than any other snake i have seen to date. When we go to the swimming holes, i bring my 12 gauge with me, and i have had to use it three times...
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:29 PM
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26. fuck that
I would just stay the hell away from the swimming holes. :)

My youngest brother was bit by a rattlesnake when he was little. We were swimming in a river and either myself or one of my other brothers was holding him at the time. I just remember he was crying and we kept passing him back and forth to see if he'd stop. Finally we just quit swimming and brought him up to our parents. That night he got deathly ill and we had to take him to the hospital the next morning. He was in the hospital for weeks. It turns out he was bit by a rattlesnake while we were in the water, but none of us knew it. Lucky nobody else got it either. :)
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:35 PM
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28. nah, i'm not heat friendly
i'm from alaska bud, i need the creeks/swimming holes to survive the summers...:) Its not that bad, i have been to the swimming holes...hmm, over a couple hundred times, and only 3 incidents...not a bad ratio...:) Damn, good story, at least no body was fatally hurt...:)
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:39 PM
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29. hey I'm a Montanan
but then again, I hit my apartment complex pool all the time. No snakes in there. :)

We do have rattlers around these parts... maybe I should watch out.

3 incidents isn't too bad. Could be worse, I suppose.

Yeah, he used to go hunt snakes when he got in high school. Revenge, haha.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:50 PM
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32. :)
man, anything over 80 degree's and i'm out of it...basically. Meaning, if i am working, or doing any heavy lifting, I get wiped out rather fast...i wish i had a pool. My wife bought one of them cheapo inflated pools last summer, its okay...thing gets dirty awfully fast...
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:54 PM
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33. when it gets about 110
I nearly die. I barely leave the house in the summers. It's rough. Hell, it's practically shorts weather back home when it hits freezing, haha. If it dips below 70 here people start freaking out. :)
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:53 PM
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38. You may be seeing American Water Snakes.....
They are a breed, thought harmless, that is very aggressive and will attack. People often mistake for them for Water Moccasins, assuming that if a snake is that aggressive, it must be poisonous. The two things don't necessarily go hand in hand.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:02 PM
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40. It could have been.
but my father/mother in law, and my wife all said it was water mochassins. I'm not all knowlegable about this, so i tend to put a bit more faith in people who have lived in this area their whole life...:)
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:47 PM
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37. Did you know lawns were invented....
to keep snakes away from houses (mansions, really) in snake country?

Good to let the King Snakes live. They will eat the poisonous ones, I believe.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:59 PM
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39. Yep
my buddy Tom, and my inlaws all told me that king snakes eat other snakes, so the black/king snakes get a pass from me. When my mother in law starts raising chickens though, its going to be a different story...

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 04:40 PM
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53. Your AK avatar made me wonder where in AK they are, then read
your profile,
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 12:44 AM
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54. Its okay
I get that a lot...:) People often wonder why i'm talking about the midwest all the time, and ask "If your in Missouri, why the AK avatar?" I get it a bunch...:toast:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:15 PM
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22. sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
:)
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:19 PM
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24. "...what's he going to be like full grown?"
This was killed recently in west TN:scared:


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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:32 PM
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27. yeah that is definitely not cool
Pretty rough looking customer. (the snake I mean) :)
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:41 PM
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30. Eeek!!
eom
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 10:28 AM
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51. Holy CRAP!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 01:54 AM
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56. I think I saw that exact snake
In South Carolina. :scared:
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:44 PM
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31. My dogs killed a King snake last year.
It was amazing to watch. I couldn't call them off the kill. Four pups harassed the snake, Dad grabbed the tail and Mom grabbed the neck, they snapped it in half. It took less than 3 seconds. The snake was 4-5 feet long.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:13 PM
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34. My dad whooped my ass for killing a rattler
Well, actually, for stomping it to death...

in sneakers...

at age 7...

still had the fangs stuck to the bottom of the sneaker....

:hide:

You done good!

:applause:
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:50 PM
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42. Bad ass little sumbeetch...ehh?
I love that story.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 04:15 PM
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52. Thanks!
It's a miracle I'm still here.

You may enjoy some others in my journal, under "How the Hell did YOU Survive Childhood?"

:hi:
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:42 PM
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35. This reminds me of a gag that I have
It's a rubber snake that I got from Pet City.....it's looks soooooo real!!! I put it in a picnic cooler with a strong string connecting the head with the lid. When people opened the lid it looked like a snake was coming up to get ya!!!!!! I had to retire it because my Grandfather scared an old lady with it and she was crying and such. But, I just broke it out again, I am gonna have fun with it!!! Just don't do it to old ladies...LOL
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:45 PM
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36. The guy who bought my mountain house called me last week all upset.
"Mac," sez he, "I just killed a copperhead in the woodpile. You didn't tell me there were copperheads up here!"

"Bob," sez I, "Not only did I tell you about the copperheads around the woodpile, but I also showed you the hoe that I left there for you to pull logs off the pile and kill copperheads with. Remember?"

"Well," Bob sez, "I did break the hoe killing that copperhead."

:rofl:
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:04 PM
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41. Cottonmouth moccasins are aggressive..
and territorial. I've been in a boat where they've come from shore and bumped against the hull trying to get in. I've got a harmless water snake in a creek behind my apartment and I leave him alone. If he was a cottonmouth, I'd search him out with a machete because we have kids and household pets around here.
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:54 PM
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43. I get much nastier snakes than you. (Or any other nation)
Just had to add that, but that is our rule with most things too.

Some browns are kill on sight, and if you ever see a Western Taipan, then it does not matter where it is or what size it is you get the fuck out of there and call the experts. They are also the worlds most toxic snake. Co-incidence?
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:56 PM
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44. I hear you guys have some real humdingers there.
Edited on Fri May-26-06 11:57 PM by Brigid
Like fierce snakes and brown snakes. I used to watch Steve Irwin sometimes. :)
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:58 PM
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45. yes, we have a collection of the worlds most poisonous, huge bastards,
but among them the western Taipan takes the cake by a LONG way.

Browns, I mentioned, were sometimes kill on sight, but now I remember the other one: Black snakes are better to just chase away. Why? They kill browns. BUT THEY ARE STILL FUCKING HUGE AND SCARY AND POISONOUS.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 12:48 AM
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47. You did the right thing.
I hate poisonous snakes, centipedes, etc. They must die.


Sorry, ecosystem...
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 12:56 AM
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48. We have Cottonmouth/Water Moccasins around my neck of the woods.
They are something to behold. They get the name cottonmouth because when they prepare to strike they open their jaws wide, exposing the puffy white lining of their mouths. Like has been said before they are VERY aggressive. I have had them come after my boat in the pond.

This and that from here and there.

Average Size - 30 - 48 inches. Individuals can reach 6 feet

Appearance:
Very heavy bodied, stout. Head is wider than body. Distinct crossband pattern of young fades as snake ages and the bands can be difficult to see in adult snakes.


The Cottonmouth/Water Moccasin is the only poisonous water snake in North America.

If confronted, the Cottonmouth will stand its ground and "gape" (open its mouth), revealing the cotton white mouth. While swimming, the cottonmouth's entire body floats and the head is held out of the water. As other water snakes swim, the body does not float and the head barely breaks the water's surface.

The venom of the cottonmouth is hemotoxic. This means that the venom breaks down and destroys blood cells and other tissues and reduces the ability of blood to coagulate or clot. Therefore, this results in a hemorrhage throughout any portion of the circulatory system that is penetrated by poison.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 01:02 AM
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49. My Child pointed out a "red & yellow kill a fellow" on our swing set.
In the wilderness that is Texas (many years ago)

I took a shovel and cut his head off.


I am now looking at republicans
just kidding
but No Child left behind? right?

The coral snake, is what we killed

the snake itself
is what some of you Christians and Jews
say is what gave us sin? Right?
Knowledge?

I don't know I am just Naked
in my ignorance.

If ignorance is bless
I am blistered.


thank you for the lounge

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