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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:06 AM
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A Tsunami Predicted by Psychics on George Noory Show...for Seattle
one or two psychics phoning in, saying they are "seeing" a tsunami in seattle happening saturday or sunday.

don't these waves start far, far away and wouldn't geologists be able to see it coming?

or can an earthquake in the ocean go undetected and then the tsunami just kinda sneaks up on you?
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:09 AM
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1. Warning Time Depends On Distance From Shore.
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 01:10 AM by DistressedAmerican
Close to shore little or no warning. Farther out they can be detected but, they travel at hundreds of miles an hour. So they have to be pretty damn far out to give you much warning.

I should add what a joke I find psychics. I'm certainly not sweating the West Coast based on these folks.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:09 AM
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2. It's not just earthquakes
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 01:11 AM by kgfnally
Tsunamis can be caused by landslides into the ocean, too.

Check this out: http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf115/sf115p09.htm

edited to add details:

Worse waves may be on tap. A 4,760 cubic mile chunk of the Big Island (Hawaii) is breaking away at the rate of 4 inches per year. This is the Hilina Slump, and it is said to be "the most rapidly moving tract of ground on Earth for its size." The Hilina Slump can move much faster. At 4:48 AM, November 29, 1975, a 37-mile-wide section suddenly dropped 11½ feet and slid seaward 26 feet. The result was a magnitude-7.2 quake and a 48-foot-high tsunami. This was a minor of the slump. If the entire 4,760-cubic-mile block decided to break off, it would probably create a magnitude-9 quake and a tsunami 1,000-feet high. All the coast-hugging cities of the Hawaiian Islands would be swept away. And LOOK OUT Australia, Japan, and California.

:scared:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:10 AM
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3. Not that I place much stock in psychics...
...but I think a tsunami could occur within hours of a major seismic event. So, a Sunday, or even a Saturday, tsunami could still happen.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:10 AM
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4. Scientists know when big earthquakes happen
from the other side of the world, and the US has a very extensive tsunami warning system in place.

Also, the islands would protect Seattle from normal tsunamis.

So I really wouldn't worry about it.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:15 AM
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9. Too bad many of the pacific sensors aren't working, or did they get fixed?
Not going to worry much about Seattle, but outlying places would get whonked.
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:10 AM
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5. Uhhhh....we're not on the ocean.
It would have to go over the Olympic mountains.

:hi:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:16 AM
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11. I love explaining to people that "the ocean" is not Puget Sound.
"but THAT is the ocean", no it's not, "the ocean" is out west side.
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:26 AM
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13. When the subject of a tsunami on the west coast comes up,
they always mention Seattle...drive me nuts!!!
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:11 AM
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6. If the earthquake is near Seattle, the tsunami gets there fast. nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:16 AM
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10. Yer right. There's an active fault line just miles off the coast.
That whole coast could have only a minute or two warning, and with the fault that close the problem would be compounded by the quake damage -- even if you could run, the bridges would be out, roads blocked, fires burning.

It would be a real sucky day.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:13 AM
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7. that guy is one of the most "credulous" buffoons on the planet
either that.....or he's capitalizing on the fear and ignorance of rightwing halfwit insomniacs

wonder which one it is
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:53 AM
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22. c'mon now..
Not all of George Noory's listeners are right wing, not at all. I doubt no more than half.

Not all his listeners believe the stuff on his show, either. It can be pretty interesting, and you can take it with a grain of salt. Listening to his show is similar to listening to ghost stories.
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Innocent Smith Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:15 AM
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8. Underwater landslide
An underwater landslide could cause a Tsunami that appeared fairly quickly if it occured not too far off the coast.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:25 AM
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12. Psychics do not = scientific credibility.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:35 AM
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14. lack of "scientific credibility" does not necessarily = wrong.
I'm just sayin...
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:45 AM
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20. Yes, but empirical evidence does help ones point, rather than taking...
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 01:46 AM by Robeson
...a leap-of-faith, with no empirical evidence.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:38 AM
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15. yes, i realize that. just thought i'd pass on what one of the family
members here heard on their radio...

i'm not listening to his crazy show (...honest...) (i'm on the computer with animal planet on the tv in the other room)
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:56 AM
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29. I know that I am a little late to this discussion
but my psychic powers say that there will be no tsunamin anywhere on earth on Sat or Sun. Should I go on a kook's radio show and make that prediction? I bet I would not get past the phone screener...

sP
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:39 AM
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16. clue....


Note that Seattle is not anywhere near the Pacific Ocean coastline. There are a number of natural disasters that are potential threats to Seattle. Tsunamis are not among them, except in the minds of the geographically illiterate.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:50 AM
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21. What about a seiche?
:D
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 02:31 AM
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26. Well that's just super.
See that li'l patch just above Port Angeles? That's where I am, and at +10' above sea level.

Lucky my place is for sale. If I get an offer tomorrow morning, I'm taking it!
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:26 AM
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28. Appears to have happened in the past.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 05:08 AM
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33. omg! it actually happened before?
"Scientists have revealed evidence of a devastating tsunami that swept over the Seattle area about 1,100 years ago following an earthquake in Puget Sound"

http://weather.about.com/library/weekly/aa102902a.htm

how weird is that??
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:32 AM
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40. Yeah, what if there is a Starbuck's latte shortage this weekend?
Has Homeland Security prepared Seattle for that kind of disaster?

I thought not.

The Republicons screw everything up.
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:10 AM
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44. So much for saturday! Now for sunday!
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:40 AM
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17. I Think The Show Is A Repeat of The Original That Ran In Nov. 2004...
at least that was the show they were playing in Chicago.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 05:04 AM
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31. (that's hysterical.....so it's a deja vu prediction!!) n/t
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:55 AM
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42. YES!!! It was an old show...repeat from 2004. n/t
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:40 AM
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18. Cowabunga!
:popcorn: :popcorn:

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:45 AM
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19. That would be a neat trick considering the topography west of Seattle
http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/land/geograph/carto/puget.html

Note the image at the bottom of "Activity 2" and click the "larger image link".

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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:55 AM
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23. I predict it won't happen.
Please note this and I want national television and radio coverage after my correct psychic prediction.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:57 AM
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24. I'm predicting you're right. Do I get equal billing?!!?....
...:-)
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:08 AM
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36. I TOO can fortell the future!
Ain't. Gunna. Happen.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 02:24 AM
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25. That takes a psychic?
The Juan de Fuca plate has been measurably unstable lately. Most of the scientists, the (few remaining) intelligent FEMA workers, and civil administrators in the Northwest are uncomfortably aware of it.

Seattle itself has some natural anti-tsunami buffering, but it pays to remember that in Japanese, tsunami means harbor wave. You just can't predict nature. If the JdF plate took a major slip, there could be very robust tsunamis and a whole lot of dead people in a lot of areas, especially given the sad and tragic joke that FEMA has become. Let us hope that the USGS (US Geological Survey) has kept its standards up better than FEMA has.

As for psychics, what they lack in accuracy of prediction, they make up for in awareness of public fears. Like the wretches in the parable of Plato's cave being deceived by the shadows on the walls, they are reporting on reflected fears of the locals. A lot of people in Cascadia are concerned about this. While most of the world has heard nothing about this, the people living in the Northwest don't need psychic powers to understand that when trouble does come, they will be on their own.

--p!
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 02:46 AM
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27. ok, now I'll never get to sleep tonight!
I might have to listen to Letterman again tonight as a lullaby with Al's soothing voice.

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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:20 AM
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43. The GOOD news about mass destruction
Indonesia is a country of over one hundred million people.

When the tsunami hit the day after Christmas 2004, it killed 200,000 people.

That's one five-hundredth (1/500th) of the population.

It was an enormous disaster, to be sure, but it wasn't universal death.

Nearly 2000 people died in the Katrina/FEMA disaster in New Orleans; the city and its suburbs had a population of about 1.5 million. That's under one one-thousandth (1/1000th) of the population.

Again, a tragedy, a Bushian atrocity, but not lethal to all residents of NOLA. In fact, well-founded predictions of upwards of 50,000 deaths did not materialize. People were far more able to cope with the disaster than they were given credit for.

A big slip of the Juan de Fuca plate could cause a major disaster in the Pacific Northwest, and it could kill a large number of people, but it wouldn't cause a significant loss of population. While there are a lot of risky areas in which to live, even if you personally are close to the water, the chances that you would personally lose your life would be low. And the cities of that area, from Vancouver to Portland, are all progressively administered, and have had modern building codes in place since the 1960s, when geologists and architects began working on earthquake-resistant buildings.

I have a reputation around here for "doom and gloom". I've sounded similar warnings for flu epi/pandemics, climate and environmental changes, "Peak Oil", and a number of other problems. But people misunderstand. My point isn't that the world is coming to an end, but that it's always a good idea to plan for bad things. As for the exact danger in the PacNW, it doesn't take a psychic to sound the alert to the danger (and I note that a lot of the traffic in this thread is simply the usual gratuitous complaining about psychics).

If you're up way past your normal bedtime, it ought to be from something worthwhile. Coffee, maybe, or what they used to call "adult activities". What they used to call "acts of God" are unavoidable anywhere. I've been through a few small AoGs myself; a close friend of mine and her daughter had to be rescued by boat from their apartment during a flood on a supposedly elevated section of town. People have died in floods; she got enough jokes out of it for a stand-up comedy act.

Good night / Sleep tight / Don't let the tsunamis bite.

--p!
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:59 AM
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30. LOL
I wonder what excuse they will give when it doesnt happen.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 05:07 AM
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32. that it was only a rerun. see post 17 n/t
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peacefreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 05:32 AM
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34. Not to be a wet blanket...
but that show was a repeat from 2004, I believe.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:07 AM
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35. While don't really trust psychics, it is in fact a known possibility...
I remember watching this long program devoted to it. It would be even worse than the Asian Tsunami because the fault is much closer to the shore.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:38 AM
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41. the proximity to shore doesn't matter...
as much as the size of a quake.
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RedG1 Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:48 AM
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37. still looking for newspaper headline...
"Psychic wins Lottery"
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:09 AM
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38. There was no warning at all when the Alaska one occurred -
just a loud bank when a substantial chunk of mountain slid into the bay :
http://www.usc.edu/dept/tsunamis/alaska/1958/webpages/
Fortunately it only affected a restricted area.

That's more than can be said for what could follow this event were it to occur :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3963563.stm
That would be goodbye Boston, goodbye New York............. no more than 5 hours later.
Wouldn't do Ireland the south coast of England much good either.

As far as I'm aware the record still stand with the tsunami which followed one of the Hawaiian Islands splitting. The tsunami is thought to have crossed the entire North American continent thereby transferring some of the Pacific into the Atlantic.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:12 AM
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39. Weather Channel is airing a program: What If A Tsunami Struck the PNW
(Pacific North West). I think it's going to be on tomorrow, but have no other info.
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