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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:48 PM
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ARod to the Red Sox, Manny to the Rangers, Nomar to the Dodgers
ESPN sez better than a 50/50 chance it'll happen in the next 48 hours.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1687444
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:53 PM
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Dude. If it hasn't happened yet... leave it alone.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:53 PM
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1. I don't understand why
Arod is probaly a better shortstop then Nomar but Nomar is one of the best at the position. So they replace a really good shortstop with a better shortstop but then they get rid of a great outfielder and who did they replace him with?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 06:00 PM
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2. Schilling and Foulke
Better pitching = insane lumber not so much needed anymore. Besides, an Ortiz-ARod-Nixon-Veritek-Millar-Mueller plus whoever else still makes this a sick team.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 06:35 PM
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8. ARod is a kinder, gentler Ramirez
He splits teams up, but he does it quietly, in ways that you can't exactly finger him for. Kind of the way Hershell Walker did for football teams. Watch him a while, and see if it's all my imagination.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 07:53 PM
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15. I think it's all your imagination...
I watched him here in Seattle, and no one had any complaints about him (except for "following the money" to Texas, but they could even understand why he would do that).

The big problem concerning A-Rod here in Seattle had less to do with him than with Griffey, who was quite unenthusiastic about suddenly having to share the spotlight he always assumed was his alone with a younger superstar.

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Braden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 06:18 PM
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4. because John Henry would rather do anything
than Pay Manny Ramirez $20mm per season. I think he see's that he is stuck with a mammoth contract so he wants to get someone who is contributing in more ways than just his bat. That and when Manny flat out told them that he wanted to play for the Yankees. His teammates have been very candid about Ramirez in the offseason, stating that he is a problem.

I personally would like to see them stick with Nomar and spend the money on more pitching.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 06:22 PM
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5. I agree-More Pitching and Keep Nomah
The Sox had the best offense in baseball last season and didn't make it to the World Series. Pitching wins games, as Neumie says on WEEI.
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Braden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 06:24 PM
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6. it always has
financially it could make sense. The big problem being if A-Rod suffers a season ending injury at anytime you are still obligated to pay him $25mm while finding someone else to play the most important ingfield spot.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 07:50 PM
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13. I would assume that any team taking on such a significant contract...
...would also get an insurance policy protecting them in the event of such an injury. Besides, what if they kept Nomar at $15+ mil/year and he had such an injury?

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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 07:47 PM
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12. There's another factor here...
You may be losing Ramierz (who I think has his eye on the exit anyway), but you wind up getting a superstar shortstop in the prime of his career with seven years left on his contract for an all-star shortstop slightly past the prime of his career with one year left on his contract (and who, I suspect, would be leaving then anyway).

That time frame is all the more important when you consider that Pedro's contract is up next year, too. GMs hate to have more than one top player in their option year at the same time, as it makes negotiations much more difficult (divided attention, having one player wait until the other signs so he can demand more, and so on). The effect of this trade is that the Sox would have one of the best players in the game, and not have to worry about contract negotiations for the rest of the decade, let alone while trying to sign Pedro over the next year. (And, yes, I admit that A-Rod's current salary is ungodly, but, given baseball's economics, I can only imagine what the asking rate for a player of his caliber will be four or five years from now.)

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 06:01 PM
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3. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
I thought Red Sox management had come to their senses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 06:31 PM
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7. That would be like the Rangers. Get rid of overrated ARod but
get the wrong player in return. Figures.

ARod may be a great numbers producer, but I've never thought he was a good team player. Nice guy, but the Rangers would do better without him. But getting Manny instead of Nomar? That's just stupid. Almost as stupid as getting rid of Nomar for ARod.

Must suck almost as bad to be a Red Sox fan. You guys fired the manager who got you within a couple of outs of the World Series for relying on his best pitcher-- who was throwing harder at that point than he had been all game-- instead of bringing in a shaky reliever. In another decade you might sniff that championship game again. When you, let us Rangers fans know what it smells like, huh? Until then we'll keep cheering for that impossible high of a winning season.

We gave up Pudge for ARod. Still boggles my mind.
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 06:41 PM
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9. Rangers really have no choice ....
Red Sox would only take A-Rod $$$$$$$$$$$$$ if they can dump Ramirez's $$$$$$$$$$ and no-one wants Manny
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 06:52 PM
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10. The only thing about baseball that still makes me happy
is knowing that, year after year, the Rangers still suck hind tit. I take a certain perverse glee in knowing they still haven't recovered from Shrub running them into the ground.
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 07:44 PM
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11. I'd trade that non-hitting money vacuum in a second
He is a good short stop though, but 60 mil is a helluva lotta money to pay for a shortstop who chokes at bat.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 07:51 PM
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14. I agree
As much as I like Nomar, how many times did he come to bat last year with the game on the line (or at least the big inning on the line) and fail to perform? I much preferred to see David Ortiz at the plate than Nomar.

If this trade means we lose Manny and gain A-Rod and pick up some pitching help, well, I say go for it.
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