Who is going to watch the movie "World Trade Center"?

what do you think about that the movie was made?

last movie I went to see was Return Of The King, I think... :hi:

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I asked this question to see what our American friends think of this movie. Of course I appreciate your imput :)

I watched the real thing unfold on tv. I don't want my mind filled with potentially false images. Movies will twist the facts to try to make a good story.
I'd rather remember that awful day with prayers for peace and send the money I would have spent to see the movie to organizations that promote peace.

I don't have a problem with artistry that touches on Sept. 11, but I have no desire to re-experience that day again. It was awful enough when it was actually happening, I can't imagine wanting to go through that experience again (let alone paying someone for it).

I won't help anyone make money off of this tragedy.

I grew up with some people that died that day. Two of my family witnessed it, my Mother from the school she teaches at on the Jersey side of the Hudson and my Brother who worked as a paramedic in NYC at the time. I still find it very difficult to view any images from that day.

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Why would i want to live through the tears again

...I can't see paying $10.00 for a movie that's loaded with commercials after sitting through 30 minutes of commercials before the movie even starts.

Didn't see "Flight 93", won't see this one, either.

But only because Maggie Gyllenhaal is in it. :)

Aside from that, I see nothing wrong with using the medium of film to explore a tragedy. That can be done tastefully, or not. We'll have to see how Oliver Stone handles it.

Here' a link. Interesting read, whether you decide to see the movie or not.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14095532/site/newsweek/

it will take a couple more months till it comes out in Germany. And my perspective to 9/11 is different from the ones you Americans have. I wanted to see how you guys feel about that movie made.

Thanks for the link, I will check it out.

I was also, until I read the article. But it's definitely something that people have to decide for themselves, as with anything.

I would like to hear your perspective on 9/11, actually.

I was at work (it was 3pm in the afternoon for us) and I had the radio on. When they said in the news a plane crashed into the WTC I first thought it was a small plane and an accident. After it became clear that it was an attack I was glued to the TV the rest of the evening. It was horrible to watch and I cringe every time I see re-runs of that horrible event.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I couldn't understand how in the world someone can come up with such a sick plan.

It made me sick to watch * sit there in dumb silence not knowing what to do for such a long time. It showed that he was no leader but a coward. It sickens me how he and his people use this tragedy to go to war with the Iraq.

It scares me what that event made out of the world. Everything since then has gone down the hill. Mainly thanks to the wrong reactions of the American Government. The whole world was standing behind the American people and condemned the attack. And look at how the world thinks of the U.S. now.

I can say it was a horrible event but I can't feel the way the American nation feels as I don't have the patriotism you guys have. I don't mean to say I don't feel anything but it isn't going as deep as it goes for you.

You say it made you side to watch Bush just sit there not knowing what to do. What that when he was in the classroom in Florida, or later? I ask because I, and many other Americans, had absolutely no idea he sat in that classroom looking like a deer in the headlights after he was told that planes had hit the towers. I did not see that footage until Farenheit 9/11 came out.

I saw that later also. I guess I got it mixed up. So much was shown that day and later.

But I do remember that he vanished very fast on 9/11 and no one knew where he was.

been targeted, but that turned out to be just another lie, just another excuse for Bush not doing his job.

sounds like Stone made a good movie, nothing patriotic or political.

Edit: Just checked. It starts in Germany 8/31

I just told Rabrrrrrr that i think Stone got completely out of the way on this one, and let the story tell itself. With something like 9/11, why on earth would it need to be embellished? It doesn't; it is a story that stands on its own. Too bad our government doesn't see it that way.

in the same category as Schindler's List. Only that we had 60 years in between the actual happenings and the movie. But then there were other movies about the holocaust before. Good ones and bad ones. I do belive such movies have its entitlement if they are made good and not playing in the hands of a specific political party or way.

And I do understand the reluctance or outright refusal of people to see World Trade Center. When Schindler's List came out, I did not want to see it then. In fact, it had been out on video for a couple of years by the time I finally sat down to watch it (and not, I'm not Jewish; I just knew that it would be difficult to watch, and it was). It is an amazing movie, and I'm glad I finally watched it, but it was very hard to watch.

and as often as I watch(ed) Schindler's List I cry every time.


I too understand why people don't want to watch WTC. And if I decide to watch it it will be very tough for me too. But I am not as close to the events as people in the U.S. have been/are. So it will be easier for me to watch than for you. I know I repeat myself here.

Hope I didn't seem to be implying that.

maybe I just want to make sure for every person that reads my posts here. And me as German I am still an outsider a bit.

Even after rebooting, it still crashed my browser.

Can you post some of the info?

That sucks that it keeps crasing your browser.

I don't though. Essentially, what Stone did was film it from the perspective of the rescuers. He said that people see the shadow of one of the planes across one of the Tower, but the perspective is that of Cage's and Pena's and other other rescuers. And, Stone did not write this movie; someone else did, and he kept to that perspective. The two main rescuers and their families had a lot of input to the story that Stone based his movie on. According to the reviewer, the movie is apolitical. It is not about terrorism a much as it is about the people involved on the ground that day, trying to rescue others. One thing I thought was interesting is that in some of the scene, the actor and stunt people were not used; they used actual rescue people, because they would know better than anyone how to get through a damaged/destroyed building.

What it sound like, based on this review anyway, is that Stone got out of the way and let the story tell itself.

and it said pretty much the same thing, which also made me more willing to go see it. I hadn't realized until then it was about the two firemen, and hadn't realized how much input they and the families had in getting the movie's story written.

I think you're right - that in this case, Stone has simply gotten out of the way and let the story tell itself. I think it's also awesome that he decided not to include any plane crashing footage and go for the emotionally easy reaction, but instead do something more artistic.

I wa not going to see it. Not that I dislike Stone or anything, but I did not want to see a movie about 9/11 that had gotten the Ollie Stone conspiracy treatment. But it doesn't sound like it is; Stone is letting the two main character tell the story from their perspective. One interesting thing I read in the article was that Pena's character had a vision of God as he was trapped (the actual rescuer said he had a vision), and instead of playing it heavy on the religiosity, Pena played it like a delighted child. I wonder if that's how the real man reacted to the vision.

and I email you the article

I couldn't watch that Flight 93 movie either.

and i hope no one goes to see this one. it's so tacky. didn't we see enough of it when it actually happened.

(and wait until september 11th this year - the 5th anniversary - we'll be re-living the whole thing yet again)

and her hideous wedding dress. Sorry, but that is just insipid. I can't believe there is a whole book dedicated to it. I just don't get it.

came out wrong. I didn't mean to offend any anglophilles. I just lump her into the whole "celebrity watching" thing..and I'm not into that.

and I understand your point

since there are a lot of Diana lovers out there. I just don't get the fascination. When it was the 5th anniversary here, the media did this whole week long look at her life & death. It was pure saccarine nonsense imo...I couldn't turn on the news for a week!

it was almost like she was an American and not a British woman. Like she has been adopted by the American people. It was crazy.

truth. The Newsweek article posted above was really good.

I lost friends that day, so I will watch it at home, where I can once again cry my heart out. I still hate the emptiness of the NYC skyline even thought I thought the buildings were ugly. My kids have said that they were grateful that we did the touristy thing with them when they were younger and took them to the top of the towers. They will always have that memory.

and was witness to the attacks. I have relived that day for the last five years. I don't need some movie to try and recreate it.

My locations:

First hit (North Tower): Chambers and Broadway - on the corner
Second hit (South Tower): Wall Street and Broadway - coming out of the subway
First Collapse: South Street and Governour's Lane - on the street
Second Collapse: On ramp to Brooklyn Bridge from the FDR.

I left about 11:30 after the dust started to clear and made my way up to grand central. Had at least a six-pack of beer on the way to grand central, and another on the train ride home.

I would watch a documentary, but a movie recreating it, seems to trivialize and fictionalize it to me. I hope you enjoy the movie.

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I was in Lower Manhattan on Sept. 11. I saw it all up close and personal (as in, oh shit, these fucker's are trying to kill me, a thought that crossed my mind when I heard the second plane approach and hit). In the end, I'll likely die from some noxious molecule I inhaled that day, which is sitting in my body now, waiting, a real sleeper cell. But I want to see the movie. My wife won't see it, though. She told me I'm watching that one on my own. It's still to much for her. She was at 23rd street during the chaos, and couldn't get in touch with me until noon or so, when I finally got back to Brooklyn.

I boycott United 93 because it's obvious and pure propaganda, and as someone who lost an office that morning, I don't do the flag-waving asshole propaganda.

But WTC seems that it will be an actual story about actual real people and what they really did (not what the gubmint later made up), without the rah rah jingoistic bullshit.

My only fear about the movie is that it's Oliver Stone, and he has a tendancy to overdo things; but I think this will be a good movie.

There is a link to the Newsweek story about the movie. I was thinking "Oliver Stone = Conspiracy Movie", but according to this article, that's not what he did here. The focus is primarily on two of the rescuers (Cage and Pena, based on two real people). Fascinating article about the movie, and refreshing in that Stone has not tried to make the story any more than it is, which in and of itself, is a hell of a story.

It won't be easy, but the more I read about the movie, the more I think that I want to see it. I do completely empathize with those people who aren't ready to relive that day.

I do not enjoy seeing historical events dramaticized and clothed as "entertainment." I'd jump at the chance to see a well-made documentary on 9.11 — not necessarily a Michael Moore-type film, but a straight-forward documentary — because I can't get enough of what really happened.

In the same vein, I've seen "Tora Tora Tora" many times and laud it as a triumph of docu-drama filmmaking, as opposed to "Pearl Harbor," which was a travesty. I doubt a Stone film could be that bad, but the point remains — when it comes to history, I want to be educated, not entertained.

I think it falls into the same category as now WTC

I watched it again about a week ago. And last night I watched "Conspiracy," an HBO docu-drama about the Wannsee Conference, where the SS established the details of the "Final Solution," setting the Holocaust in motion.

All three films, including "World Trade Center," are powerful (one assumes, in the case of "WTC") depictions of events of great historical significance. However, before "Schindler's List," I knew nothing of Herr Schindler, and before "Conspiracy" I knew only that the Wansee Conference led to the Holocaust. I now know much more about these than I did, and for that I'm grateful to the filmmakers.

On the other hand, virtually all of us have heard many stories of individual heroism on 9.11. Another one, no matter how well done, would probably not significantly enhance my understanding of what happened, and I doubt I'd find such a film entertaining. So I can't think of a need to watch it.

Of course, once some people whose opinions I value have seen it and they've talked about it, I could change my mind.

Sorry, not trying to give an order. I absolutely understand your POV; 9/11 does not need embellishment. Sound like Stone is in agreement with that. Anyway, the article is interesting and worth the read, I think, whether you decide to see the movie or not.

Didn't really feel like getting into six pages right now.

It does seem as though Stone hasn't made another "Pearl Harbor," but it still doesn't sound like the kind of film that'd interest me. (See my response to MissH above.)

SeattleGirl gave the link for, I believe * isn't shoing up in the movie at all.

Still I don't think I'll see the movie.

I cannot stand the thought of what happened and how the good will of the entire planet was squandered. I wouldn't watch a film that re-enacted the death of my mother, and I'm not likely to watch a film that re-enacts the death of my country either.

even though I don't see that the attack itself was the death of your country. It was hurt badly, for sure. But it was *Co that killed it. With another government it would have had a different outcome. I honestly believe that if Gore would have been president the world would more peaceful today. The crashes would probably still have happened. But Gore would have reacted more reasonable.

But without the events of 9/11, Bush would have gone nowhere.

I believe that in fact - with Bush's help - the terrorists won. The country was weakened - and may still be destroyed - as a result of their action.

I don't believe he or any of his evil cabal give a flying fig about what happened that day in the way that most of us do. For them, it's not about the people who died; it's not about the people who lost loved ones; it's only about the way they could USE that day, USE that event, USE the people affected in whatever degree, to further their own agenda. If they actually DID care, they would not have used it in the way they have, and we would not have lost the support of the world in the way we have.

...if historians exist in the future.

So it is just like real life.





Chris

in about 6 months.:wtf:

To quote MissHoneyChurch, "And my perspective to 9/11 is different from the ones you Americans have." Being Canadian, I watched all of the horrible events unfold nearly five years ago in the board room at my office with all of my colleagues, but there was a kind of disconnect there. I remember saying to myself "all of those poor people" but I personally didn't feel victimized by 9/11 like so many Americans did, so perhaps the film will be easier for me to see. I saw United 93 and thought it was a good low key non-exploitative film. Very tastefully done.

Besides, I'm a big fan of Oliver Stone's films, so yes.........I will see this one.

Q

...will be any better than the documentary those 2 French Brothers did, by accident.

Did you see the my link to the Newsweek article? It's in post #11.

As far as the French brothers' documentary, it was definitely an accidental one. It was not the best documentary, I agree, but it did give me a perpective I had not seen before on what happened that day.

I thought it was the better than anything done about 9/11 by orders of magnatude. The fact that it all
happened by accident just made it that much better.

I think perhaps I have been too spoiled by more polished documentary's. The rawness of it did definitely have an impact.

...So you liked it too?? Cool. Great minds do think alike.

I actually taped that documentary; I think I will watch it again. I had actually forgotten about it until you mentioned it. One of the thing that got me so much was hearing the bodies hit at they fell. But that was indeed the reality of the day, and if I remember the preview of WTC correctly, you hear that in the movie also. Not a pleasant sound, but a part of the reality of that awful day.

...as the firefighters and police were in the other tower before it colapsed, every 30 seconds or so you would hear the
loud "splat". Very difficult to hear/watch, but I'm glad they didn't edit that out.

although I'm not expecting to be "entertained."

not every movie has to be entertainment. Please let us know what you think about the movie after you've seen it.

Thanks for your post.

The Newsweek review got me wanting to see it.

This creates a problem for me in posting to the DU.

I will probably do an "ad-lib" review (and read from other reviews in Portland papers on my program), recorded on Friday, August 11. That program will play on Monday, August 13, at 1 PM PT/4 PM ET. If you go to my journal page, there are instructions in the right column on how to hear that program. I may be too close to our Canadian travel beginning the next day to actually write a review.

I may try to post in someone's else's thread, depending on how busy I am.

I refer you to www.rottentomatoes.com

www.us.imdb.com and www.metacritic.com for other opinions. Thanks for your interest.

In peace,

Radio_Lady in Oregon

if i hear it's realistic (like talking about WHY it happened - people stymying investigations, names not being transferred to watch lists - wait no they WERE on the watch lists... but the airlines let them board anyway - and they were given visas anyway - if that's in there, and about how warnings being ignored) then i might see it... but that's about as likely as monkeys flying outta my ass, so...

The characters (played by Nicholas Cage and Michael Pena') are baed on two real rescuers, who had a lot of input into the screenplay (not written by Ollie Stone), as did their families. Check out the Newsweek review (my post #11 above). Not trying to talk you or anyone into seeing it -- it's a very personal choice -- just pointing you to a resource that talk about what the movie is about.

i might see it, then... when it comes out on video (i hardly see any movies so it's not like i'm slighting this movie or anything)

i like nicholas cage, so... yeah i'll probably see it.

i wish they'd make a movie like the one i'd like to see, though!

And who knows; perhaps one day they will make such a movie, though I'd rather see it played out on the nightly news (real news, not fake stuff). As in, watching the hearings as the truth unfolds and Bush and the Evil Cabal are hauled off to prison for the rest of their unnatural lives.

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It follows two rescuers and their families (based on real life rescuers). In some cases, Stone even brought in rescuers to crawl through it, instead of actors and stuntmen because they'd make it the most realistic. You should check out the Newsweek article above.

i can't concentrate well enough for article-reading right now

No way in HELL. We all saw it on TV, there is absolutely NO reason to make a movie about it. None...except for making money off the deaths of innocent people.

Besides...Oliver Stone? Yeah, I'm sure it'll be a fact-based, respectful movie. :eyes:

In fact, I'm a bit disgusted with anyone who willingly tied themselves to this movie. Nick Cage, Maria Bello, etc. WTF were you thinking?!

article (post #11 above). It sounds like it actually IS a fact-based, respectful movie (yeah, I know, that doesn't fit with most of Stone' movies). Not trying to change your mind about whether you see it or not; just steering you to something that seems to be a good description of the movie.

On the Oliver Stone thing, I still think I'll wait until someone I actually know or trust sees it (assuming anyone does) and tells me it's not his typical bullshit.

Otherwise, I still think it's a shameless ploy to make money and it didn't need to be turned into a movie because we all saw it happen.

Thanks for the additional info though...I'll reserve judgement on Oliver Stone's effect on the movie for now... ;)

I think the fact that Oliver Stone made it will be one of its biggest hurdles it needs to overcome, because of the reputation Stone has developed over the years. One of the things that the Newsweek article talks about is that reputation, but says that the movie is more comparable to the Stone who made Platoon, as opposed to the one who make JFK. (Platoon and WTC are not similar; the author was just making the point that Stone apparently left the conspiracy theories at the door when he did WTC.)

Fuck people trying to make money off new york's loss. fuck off



Yeah, thats pretty much how I feel about it..

it ever happened because someone might make money on it? It's real, it happened, and not talking about it, not looking at different aspects of it, won't change the fact that it happened.

Now, I'm not saying that it should be blatantly exploited, but then, Oliver Stone doesn't have to do that -- the Bush Cabal already has. They use it every day to keep people in fear, to break the law, to take away our civil rights, to chip away at the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I'd much rather that a movie be made about two real people who were actually there, trying to rescue those in the Towers, than it be used for trumped up "terror alerts" and all the other bullshit that this administration has used it for.

No. I'm simply not happy that people are making money off of this tragedy.

I would rather see a documentary on the subject, with real footage, I fear that hollywood will put a different spin on it. But I might check it out on dvd, but I doubt even that....

SeattleGirl posted the link in post #11

Once and never again (well, maybe if it is good, I'll make it a tradition).

I still can't believe they made a movie about it so soon.

For me, five years feels too soon for dramatacized stories about such a major event. I didn't know anyone that was killed (thankfully) and I don't live in NYC and have been there only once (some 16 years ago) but the day and its aftermath have affected me greatly.

I remember the day and those that followed pretty vividly. I remember reading news from all over the world constantly looking for updates the days after. I remember listening to NPR about the firemen that barely slept. I've seen a few documentaries - the one by the two French brothers, and one random one I caught on IFC one night (there was one scene I especially remember with a kid around 10 years old, talking about nuking countries - it was distressing, but he sounded especially articulate - moreso than the average RWer). Another one was on the history channel called Zero Hour, but was more of just a chronicle of the flight that crashed into the WTC (there was another episode of this program on the Tokyo subway attack several years ago). I also got through part of the timeline on the cooperative research site (which is incredibly comprehensive and I still have quite a bit more to go through).

Each time I see the images from the day, and it still gives a sick feeling in my stomach. Realizing what this administration did to exploit the anger and fear people felt, makes it even worse.