i will never see another Mel Gibson movie.

i was raised roman catholic and i was never taught to hate the jews or anyone. jesus was a jew or is mel gibson denying that too.

i wonder what Jesus would think about mel gibson's statement and drunk driving.

forgive him. I say probably because I gave up on religion a long time ago so I can't say for certain, it seems Christianity has changed quite a bit lately but yes, I think he would forgive him.

Jesus would agree with Ghandi: "I like your Christ but I don't like your Christians."

Amen, brother.

Ghandi's a smart guy

that was the line for me. didn't see it myself after i learned 80% was violent torture.

content in a movie or TV i have to look away. had a hell of a time watching "million dollar baby". i don't even consider boxing a sport. beating away at another person. no thanks.

I walked out of Rocky

and at risk to my nonstanding in this community I will tell you what I thought about it with all the attempts by the ADL telling me not too.

Couldn't figure out anything about it turning people anti-semite because of it. I suppose if you're one already you'd find something.

The gore was a bit much to take, I must say, but also must say those Friday the 13th or Hallowe'en movies assault my senses in more horrible ways. I suspect Gibson wanted the reality to sink in on the long suffering (no fast clips and on with the 'plot', suffering is the plot, long drawn out like in real life torture, hard to take for the viewer? try being the victim without a fast forward on your remote)

I found that the aramic language was beautiful, so sadly beautiful, especially when Jesus said (para): Dad, I don't want to do this, please don't make me.

And I felt such sorrow for Judas, he was a player needed and used. I'll never hear the term 'judas' in quite the same way ever.

by the by, i have been a victim, and surely that's a source for my revulsion to violence.

like too many directors (and writers) he doesn't credit the audience with imagination and experience. There are ways to film intense scenes without making a viewer reach for a barf bag, yet bring him into the situation. YMMV.

I do have a question: How did he portray the dialog between Pontius Pilot and Jesus, given his insistence on realism? Pilot spoke Latin and formal Greek, very unlikely he spoke Aramaic. Jesus spoke Aramaic, quite possibly formal Hebrew and, maybe, some Greek, albeit colloquial and limited as it was the lingua franca of the eastern Med during that era. The two of them couldn't carry on a philosophical debate on the nature of truth, at least one on one. How was it written and screened?

hopefully someone else here took note.

the violence is what is portrayed as having happened in the bible

it is a movie depiction of the biblical story of Jesus, not a documentary

I also saw no anti-semitic material in it. I mean, other than a Jew died (Jesus)

and explained my choice by quoting George Bernard Shaw: "Must a Christ be crucified in every generation for the benefit of those who have no imagination?"

I angered them further when I challenged that, if they'd read the Book, understood it and appreciated what it said, what need had they for the fevered imaginings of an Australian filmmaker, no matter how fertile his vision?

that she curled up and closed her eyes and covered her ears for forty five minutes and left the theater with a tummy ache.

she's going to be a lawyer. really a deep thinker and hard worker. hungry for knowledge. i tried to make her feel better about it by giving her my opinion (violence sells in Hollywood etc)

what were her parents thinking?

gibson got the snake!!

I continue to keep my promise to be a person who never has and never will see a Mel Gibson movie.

:-)

http://www.qrd.org/qrd/media/people/1995/mel.gibson.antigay.history-wockner-06.02.95

Heartthrob actor Mel Gibson, asked by one of Spain's leading
magazines what he thinks of homosexuals, launched into a tirade
against gay men.

"They take it up the ass," Gibson told El Pais as he got out
of his chair, bent over and pointed to his butt. "This is only
for taking a shit," he said.

Reminded by the interviewer, Koro Castellano, that he worked
with gays while studying at the School of Dramatic Arts, Gibson
added: "They were good people, kind, I like them. But their thing
is not my thing."

Castellano said, "But you were obsessed with the thought
that if you were an actor, people would confuse you with one of
them."

"Yes," Gibson admitted, "but I did it. I became an actor
despite that. But with this look, who's going to think I'm gay?
It would be hard to take me for someone like that.

"Do I sound like a homosexual?" he asked. "Do I talk like
them? Do I move like them?

of the biggest, manliest looking guys are gay.

he didn't have to be that descriptive in the interview. shows a lack of "class".

Seeing as The Road Warrior is a fave among gays (at least, according to some of my gay friends -- not sure how widespread that is throughout the community).

That seemed odd to me at first until I watched it through that lens. It's pretty campy.

He never did impress me very much.

dads bizarre view that the holocust never happened.

Mad Max being one of them. But also "Signs". Too bad he turned, ahem, mad.

"the excorcist". what was that around '75? we have HBO and SHO and rent DVD's from Netflix. i've never rented a mel gibson movie but i did see a few when they made it around to TV.

...the last Gibson films I saw were "What Women Want" and "Signs". Then all holy hell broke loose over "The Passion", and I swore him off then. Haven't heard of any film since that would shake my resolve. So, I haven't seen anything with him in it for four years...I haven't suffered. :)

if he knew Goldy was jewish? she calls herself a JewBu, because she also a Buddhist.

all that is bad about Hollywood. Mel doing his unfunny "gay" impersonation. Goldie doing her preteen girl impersonation. Bad writing. Bad acting. Sloppy movie trying to ride on the stars' charisma. And that supposed charisma was long gone.
Mel's like Bush, always doing the likable, regular guy schtick-- rather adolescent, but charming. Only, he isn't. He's annoying, ego-centric, and not particularly bright.

He's an actor and a good one. You can enjoy is work without agreeing with his drunken rant.

but to say that the incidents involving Mel and the Dixie Chicks is even close to being similar is simply not true.

Mel Gibson's a good actor?!

face.

(i.e., if he stays behind the camera.)

The Stever Lopez column in today's LA Times is a hoot. Lopez mocks the arrogant s.o.b. up one side and down the other.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez31jul31,1,3238844.column

Gibson's Newest 'Lethal Weapon' — His Mouth
July 31, 2006
This may be the first and only time you'll see the phrase "sugar tits" in one of my columns, and ironically, the man who made it possible is Oscar winning actor-director Mel Gibson, a devout Christian.
Gibson allegedly used that remark on a female sergeant after his Friday arrest in Malibu on suspicion of drunk driving. To be precise, Gibson is said to have asked:
"What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?"
I can't recall a line that original in any of his movies. But it can't possibly have sat well with Mrs.Gibson, or with the Gibsons' seven children, or with the millions of true believers who flocked to see the Gibson movie "The Passion of the Christ." <snip>
Especially when you consider that Gibson was allegedly doing 80 mph on the Pacific Coast Highway at 2:30 in the morning with a bottle of tequila in his Lexus, and that he dropped F-bombs like a sailor when he got pulled over. It was F this and F that, an R-rated performance start to finish. When he got to the station, he reportedly tried to smash a phone and urinate in his cell.
Where does the penance begin? A hundred thousand rosaries and six months of Hail Marys?
And that's not even the half of it. <snip>

Hekate

respect women.

i have no tolerance for people who drive drunk. problem is when they have an accident they usually don't even get hurt -- i think it's the alcohol that keeps them loose when they crash, but they kill and maim innocent people.

the passion came out, and I was disgusted with the thought of all those god fearing people taking their kids to see a bloodfest.

:D

and learned my gender was hated and would never be as good as the guys or as close to 'god'.

I still struggle with that, even tho I ditched that club.

the only ex-catholic she knew who completely got away from the guilt, etc.

(our mothers both raised us that way protestingly).

We're both happily agnostic now, and carry no guilt whatsoever.

going to the atheist forum and ask them what they think i am. lol

Do you just completely not believe in anything? You're an atheist. No God, no higher power, no nothing.

Do you not know whether it is possible to decide if God exists? Then you're agnostic. In other words, "I don't know, and neither do you."

Any theology scholars out there correct me if I'm wrong.

I guess that's why I find the Unitarians so attractive. I don't KNOW if anything higher is out threre, but going and being with a bunch of like-minded people who believe in the core qualities of humanity, decency, and fairness is really nice. And that's basically all it is. Readings from all types of sources (not just religious), and very open minds. Very tolerant, and very accepting.

not sure. i had a spiritual teacher years ago who taught me about "the Gods" -- like from mythology -- like a goddess rules the sea, a god rules the mountains, a god rules the thunder and rain and his female part, a goddess rules lightening and electricity. he told me that i had a connection to that particular goddess. maybe that's why i like lightening. i've also had an effect on electricity. my co-workers told me that after i left work, my word processing machine turned itself on. it happened several times. one saturday i was working alone and all the machines (5) powered themselves on. another time, i was in a pissed off mood and when i touched my computer it completely shorted out.

my husband's ex wife was Unitarian. his daughter was too. don't know if they still are.

so my mind is open to lots of things, even extra terrestrials. i believe in them. i think they might even be among us. don't think they mean us any harm.

I have no use for Christianity or any of the Judeo Christian tradition. It is all male dominance, aggression and various kinds of victim worship. It is sick. The very idea that God is a father must have been a hard sell at first. If God is a father we are in terrible trouble. What a joke, a single god, and male.

buddhism.

What a load ... I tell ya...I went to a wedding recently of two young, educated, progressive late-20-somethings. The bride is not at all religious, and the groom is Catholic (but very liberal). Well, somehow he convinced her to have a traditional church ceremony. They actually read the crap from Genesis about the woman being made from Adam's rib! I could not believe it! Why do people put up with this ridiculous crap in this day and age?

My poor kids, who had thankfully never had been in a church before, were so creeped out by the whole thing. Everything about the ceremony -- the stained glass, the sicko "art" on the walls, the death cult of Jesus, the freaky priest -- made us want to vomit.

What an A-hole.

When he began screening it privately for some I started getting a little uneasy about him. I had heard some things about his dad being anti-semetic and a holocaust denier, but it gave me no reason to believe he felt the same.

But when the guy became more vocal about his views and having his own private church, he totally turned me off the extent I can't watch a movie of his.

This incident confirms he is anti-semetic to the degree that his father is. Whether he denies the holocaust or not...I don't know.

People don't walk around spewing this kind of vile unless they truly believe it and it's obvious Mel does.

to me, but whatever.it's not like he can act his way out of a paper bag even if he had a map and a GPS any how.

He just hasn't made anything worth seeing since "The Patriot".

I'll wait for the dvd. Movie theaters are too expensive. Why should I pay $10 for 30 minutes of ads before the movie starts, and then, the movie itself is wall-to-wall ads!

So Mel got drunk and shot his mouth off. Big deal. I used to work in a hospital, I've heard worse.

Certainly, boycott his movies if you wish!! I boycott Polansky movies. Mouthy drunks are one thing, self-admitted child molesters are something else.

Barbara Walters said the same thing.

know if she practices it at all.

it doesn't matter what he does or says...if the movie execs think his movies will still make gobs of money he'll keep on getting work. Only when affiliation with him doesn't make them money will he have to face the consequences.

I wouldn't boycott an artist I liked because of anything they believe in their personal life. It's just like the Dixie Chicks situation - all these people who loved their music suddenly stopped buying it because of their personal political beliefs. Ok, it's your right, but I think it's silly.

On the hand, I AM boycotting Schwarzeneggar movies. Because they suck.

considering the number of times I have logged on to this very Lounge to find anti-Christian rants. All of a sudden you're offended by someone who drunkenly rants against another religion???? :eyes:

Give me a break. It's just another chance for extremely non-productive people to feel better than someone else, even if just for a moment.

i'm a little more sensitive to anti-semitism considering what's going on in the ME.

i very seldom start any threads or even post in the lounge. so i don't know what you're talking about.

I've never watched a Mel movie because I'd rather watch paint dry.

I'll give you, though, that I could NEVER watch Passion of the Christ now since it was completely his own baby, undoubtedly infused with his warped views to some degree.

I can't remember the name of it.

I have long since started avoiding Mel Gibson movies. I don't think he did "Passion..." for any belief in Jesus. I didn't see the movie, but I heard about how graphic it was and there was some talk of innuendo leading some people to believe there was some anti-semitism at work in that movie. I don't remember much except I just really dislike how egomaniacal and twisted Mel Gibson either has become or always was (and it's just not starting to show.)

Hating Jewish people is so silly. I actually have a cousin that blames the Jews when he gets short-changed 3 cents at the grocery store. I mean, really. It was some local girl running the register for minimum wage and he's complaining about all the rich Jews ripping people off. What utter nonsense. I no longer speak to him after that little tirade. I knew he was kinda wacko before that, but after that I just couldn't shake the feeling that his bad karma and worse judgement may work against me. So, I just said so long Nazi, in my head, and started avoiding him like the plague that he is.

after Passion of the Christ.

Got rid of all my Mel stuff then!! Which were 2 lethal weapon movies. I guess Mel has a lethal weapon, his mouth, hope to see you at the unemployment office.

Asshole

I'll still watch the Mad Max movies because they're good campy fun. I'll still avoid films like The Passion because the religious zealotry turned me off. In the end, he just an actor.