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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 04:23 PM
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"Paris Syndrome" leaves Japanese tourists in shock
PARIS, Oct 22 (Reuters) - Around a dozen Japanese tourists a year need psychological treatment after visiting Paris as the reality of unfriendly locals and scruffy streets clashes with their expectations, a newspaper reported on Sunday.

"A third of patients get better immediately, a third suffer relapses and the rest have psychoses," Yousef Mahmoudia, a psychologist at the Hotel-Dieu hospital, next to Notre Dame cathedral, told the newspaper Journal du Dimanche.
...
"In Japanese shops, the customer is king, whereas here assistants hardly look at them ... People using public transport all look stern, and handbag snatchers increase the ill feeling."

A Japanese woman, Aimi, told the paper: "For us, Paris is a dream city. All the French are beautiful and elegant ... And then, when they arrive, the Japanese find the French character is the complete opposite of their own."


http://today.reuters.co.uk/News/CrisesArticle.aspx?storyId=L22809247


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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 04:36 PM
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1. I think I need therapy for "Land of the Free Syndrome"
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 04:57 PM
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2. HAHAHAHAHAHAH
:rofl:

Boston College hosts Japanese exchange students, and it kills me that they're SO friendly-- when I speak to them (in Japanese) they talk SOOOO POLITELY it's HILLARIOUS.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 08:57 PM
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23. the funny part is i remember trying to reach out to
japanese exchange students when i was in grad school, and i was treated lower than shit (well, lower than they treated my white classmates, anyway)
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:00 PM
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3. I'm an American and I felt very uncomfortable in Paris.
Ourside of the city though, people were fine.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:12 PM
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9. I was a little apprehensive on my first trip.
But it was fine.
I was an airline pilot and had many Paris layovers.
Maybe because we had a local bar/brasserie hangout and got to be friendly with the owners and patrons.
About the only rudeness I got was from cab drivers, but not any worse than New York.

I took French in High school and college, but was very reluctant to 'try it out' in Paris.
Most folks were very helpful and seemed to be pleased I was at least trying.
Naturally the more I spoke the better I got.
Anyway...to coin a phrase..."I Love Paris".
;-)
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:34 PM
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12. I can think of exactly two places in Paris where I was
not treated with disdain: Les Deux Musees cafe outside the Louvre, and a little family eatery in a back alley near the hotel I stayed at. I took French for three years in college. In one restaurant, the waiter actually made fun of my pronounciation. No doubt my pronounciation wasn't good! but the gentleman was an asshole.

My visit to Paris came at the end of a three week tour. First, Corfu, Greece. Then Venice, Italy. Then Munich, Germany and finally Paris. I am not unused to unfamiliar people or places, but I will not stay in Paris again.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:54 PM
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16. I've never done McDonalds in Japan. Been tempted, but haven't done it.
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 06:55 PM by Rabrrrrrr
I have done Starbucks, but otherwise I've done no American chains (no KFC, either, even though they're all over Kyoto).

And I really want to do the Shakey's in Kyoto. I'm really pissed that when I'm there I forget that it exists, except a few times that I've passed it AFTER I've eaten, and so I haven't been yet. :grr:

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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:56 PM
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17. But you've been to Kyoto, which is WAY cool.
I hate to admit it, especially because I won't venture into the place when in the U.S., but I did go to McDonald's while in Paris. I was so depressed while I was there that I thought it would make me feel better. It didn't!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 07:00 PM
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18. Kyoto fucking ROCKS!
If you are a traveler to Japan, I have to ask this: Have you been to the museum that I. M. Pei designed in Mizuno? (I think it's Mizuno - Sorry, I've had a Martini, and my brain has slowed down) It was the most awesome (in the true sense of the word "awe" plus "-some") artistic experience I have ever had in my life. Abso-fucking-lutely beyond comprehension.

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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 07:02 PM
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19. My dear, I have not traveled to Japan.
I suck. I know it.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:09 PM
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25. Miho Museum, but
located at Misono. :-)

And no, I haven't been to it. Must go sometime, but I won't have time on this next trip.

:hi:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 07:13 AM
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28. Miho - that's it! Thanks!
Edited on Wed Oct-25-06 07:27 AM by Rabrrrrrr
Bloody amazing museum.

it's worth a trip to Japan just to see that.

p.s. - I just realized that I got the word "Mizuno" because that's the name of the friend I went with. How embarrassing!
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:05 PM
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24. Wow. I must be better than I thought.
My mom let me go to France with a student group when I was 16 because I'd been getting A's in French. My prof said she thought I had "the ear," so I was really complimented.

When we were in Paris, she ran into some acquaintances she knew from years before who were sitting outside, and went and spoke to them for what seemed like HOURS!

Meanwhile, inside, we were getting really hungry! Finally, I knew someone would have to take the bull by the horns, and began ordering for everyone. The waitress was very sweet and friendly, and didn't correct my pronunciation at all. I only had to ask her one question that was a translation thing...but when I was done, everyone at the table was blown away.

When Prof came back in and apologized for staying outside so long, and said "Well we can order now!" everybody said, "Fudge already did!"

fsc
{{{{{{preening}}}}}
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:14 PM
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10. Yes - I think the last line should say "Parisian character"
rather than French character.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:00 PM
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4. I feel guilty when I'm in Japan because I'm treated so well by clerks.
Especially since I don't speak Japanese, I feel especially guilty that they go so far out of their way to help me out and be polite when they should, by all rights, tell me to go fuck myself.

But even beyond the guilt for not speaking Japanese is the just-plain-weirdness that is the normal level of Japanese politeness and helpfulness from store clerks. It's so different from the US - I feel like royalty when I'm there.

I like it. :-)
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:03 PM
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5. I was in Tokyo in the late 80s ...
I'll never forget going into tourist attractions and having people bow to me as I entered. That was their entire job. To bow to people.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:06 PM
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6. bow
I am not Japanese, but I 'Bow' to my fellow Oregonian!!!!!!


KULONGOSKI FOR GOVERNOR DEFEAT RON SHAXSHTON
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:12 PM
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8. Oooh, thanks!
I could get used to that! :hi:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:11 PM
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7. We could solve some of our unemployment problems
if we would just hire extra people like they do in Japan - people to greet, people to bow, people to wrap, people to run the elevator, people to help us use the automatic ticketing machines at tourist attractions, people to point "up" on the up escalators and "down" on the down escalators, and -- the part I really love -- enough people to actually serve the fucking customers!
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:14 PM
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27. The number two or three problem in this country comes down to a lack
of customer service.
Everything else seems to stem from that when it comes to problems in business, I think. EVERYthing.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:16 PM
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11. I liked the elevator pointer/greeters.
In department stores.
Self-service elevators, but young uniformed women to smile, bow, and point to the open door.

"Oh, THANK YOU! This one? Here? Where the door is open? Oh god, MANY thnaks. I would NEVER have found this open elevator door on my own. I'm SUCH a klutz! DOMO ARIGATO!"
;-)
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:40 PM
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13. It probably has something to do with your appearance


I think they find you intimidating.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:42 PM
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14. I don't get it.
I don't look like a train car at all. :shrug:
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 07:23 PM
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20. You know -
It's not every day one of the Great Old Ones (you're not trying to be incognito these days, are you?) drops into Tokyo. You probably don't even realize that destroying ten city blocks and killing a few hundred people could be construed as anything other than absent-minded sloppiness. Hell, they haven't even seen you get really pissed off. And they don't want to, either.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:49 PM
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15. Having people bow to me when I enter McDonalds...
...is one of my favorite experiences whenever I go to Japan. I actually make a special trip to the Golden Arches, just for the hilarious incongruity of it. It makes a refreshing change from the "waddaya want" attitude of Mickey D's in the rest of the world.
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 07:58 PM
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21. So that has been my problem
all these years...:think:

I should sue, dammit, SUE!!!



Actually, I loved the street vendors there. They had no issue speaking English (naturally, they had to make a buck), and were a hoot. Everywhere else I visited in France people were friendly...

The one thing I was taken aback when I was there (admittedly quite a few years ago) was the fashion. I expected everyone to be incredibly fashionable, and - well - many of them were dressed like my elderly parents. :rofl:
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 08:53 PM
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22. Wierd.....somebody told me that, in Japan...
there are advertisements up on the street that have pictures of totally naked people in them. But I don't really think that's true... :crazy:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:13 PM
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26. I've never seen that, but it couldn't be full frontal nudity anyway
The Japanese idea of pornography is showing pubic hair. Therefore, you can show anything in silhouette or with strategically placed pieces of furniture or leaves or something.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 08:32 AM
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29. Don't confuse Parisiens with other Frenchmen.
Parisiens are notorious for being assholes.
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:13 AM
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30. I've seen far more rude Americans in Paris than rude Parisians
Been there six times, and they've always been very accommodating of my fractured high-school French. They do appreciate that I start my sentences with "bonjour" rather than "excuse me" or "how much is".

OTOH I've never been during tourist season, so I'm guessing they get tired of "ugly American syndrome" by the end of the summer, so maybe they're ruder then. :shrug:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 10:51 AM
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31. i've had a great time there too.
and i don't speak french at all.
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 11:41 AM
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32. Ah, Gay Paris. I'll admit your average Parisian could give lessons in rude
beautiful country and fantastic food but best of all, the French people. I love 'em because they are French.
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