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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:30 PM
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The next Jimi Hendrix?
The White Stripes?

Perhaps only the Strokes have received more credit for the garage rock revival than have minimalist Detroit duo the White Stripes. But while the Strokes' sound and image hark back to '70s acts like the Velvet Underground and Television, the Stripes' Jack and Meg White dig much deeper for their influences (citing blues greats like Robert Johnson, Son House, and Blind Willie McTell, all of whose songs they have covered), and their carefully cultivated image (centering on their red-and-white, peppermint-swirl matching outfits and headline-grabbing rumors about their personal relationship) is entirely their own clever creation. As a result, they are one of the most original and refreshing bands around today, and the fact that their immense critical acclaim has blossomed into unexpected mainstream attention (thus opening doors for many of their peers) is quite heartening in the current climate of prefabricated pop.

Details about the Stripes' origins are still sketchy at best. When the duo emerged with their self-titled album on indie label Sympathy For The Record industry in 1999, two years after they first started gigging around their native Detroit, they claimed to be brother and sister, the youngest two siblings in a family of seven children. As their profile grew, rumors began to surface that the pair were actually ex-husband and wife. Jack (a former drummer for underground cowpunk act Goober & the Peas) and Meg neither confirmed nor denied such gossip until 2002, when an old marriage license and divorce certificate surfaced on the Internet. At that point it was revealed that the artist formerly known as John Anthony Gillis had supposedly married Megan Martha White in 1996--adopting her surname as his own--and that the two had amicably divorced three years later.

While incest-joke-laden controversy about the Whites' relationship generated notoriety for the White Stripes, ultimately it was their music--a charming and wholly original amalgam of Delta blues, Motor City rawk 'n' roll, backporch country, and punk, all played entirely by Jack on a chintzy, Sears-bought Airlines guitar with his "big sister" Meg pounding away in a most ramshackle and endearingly amateurish manner on the drums--that made people take notice. Their bare-bones live shows were nothing short of incendiary, with howlin' Jack making such a racket it was almost impossible to believe that there were only two people onstage.

The Stripes' buzz built steadily with the release of their sophomore album, 2000's De Stijl, but it was 2001's White Blood Cells that turned them into glossy magazine cover stars. As was the case with the Strokes, the Stripes' success was kickstarted by the British press, who salivated so frothingly over the duo's U.K. gigs that the Stripes ended up with an astounding $1 million record deal with British label XL Recordings. V2 Records then reissued White Blood Cells in the U.S. in 2002, and soon after the Stripes found themselves performing on the MTV Movie Awards (on the same bill as Eminem, yet) as dozens of extras dressed in red and white uniforms danced maniacally onstage. The groundbreaking, Michel Gondry-directed video for the Stripes' raucous "Fell In Love With A Girl" (which was composed entirely of Lego animation) kept the duo's MTV profile high--in fact, it won three trophies at the 2002 MTV Video Music Awards (in a very surreal TV moment, Jack and Meg accepted their Breakthrough Video award from presenters Mary-Kate & Ashley Olsen). The Stripes ended the highly successful year by opening for select Rolling Stones tourdates, Jack being named "Coolest Person In Rock" by British music tabloid NME, and White Blood Cells being declared 2002's "Album Of The Year" by Spin (even though it technically came out in 2001).

While Jack and Meg White were recording White Blood Cells' much-awaited follow-up, Elephant, in London, Jack also kept busy singing backup for XL Recordings labelmates Electric Six on their disco-rock single "Danger Danger, High Voltage"; acting in the film Cold Mountain alongside Hollywood A-listers Jude Law, Nicole Kidman, Natalie Portman, and Renee Zellweger; and writing songs for the Cold Mountain soundtrack. By the time Elephant was completed, demand was so high that even V2 and XL's serious attempts to prevent it from leaking onto the Internet--such as issuing advance press copies on vinyl only--proved unsuccessful; the album's street date was moved up two weeks to curb further online piracy. Elephant was finally issued commercially on both CD and vinyl, with six different covers, in April 2003.


This Biography was written by Lyndsey Parker

What do you think? Judge for your slef...

http://icdweb.cc.purdue.edu/~gcerbus/WhiteStripes/2003-05-19%20Berlin%20Germany/01%20-%20Dead%20Leaves%20And%20The%20Dirty%20Ground.mp3

http://icdweb.cc.purdue.edu/~gcerbus/WhiteStripes/2003-05-19%20Berlin%20Germany/12%20-%20Hello%20Operator%20.mp3

More here: http://www.whitestripes.net/downloads.php



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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:31 PM
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1. BAH!!!!!!!!
There ain't no "next Jimi." And if there were, it sure as hell wouldn't be the White Stripes. IMO.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:36 PM
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3. You got that RIGHT!
There ain't no "next Jimi." Never will be.

Bake
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:37 PM
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4. Jimi re-invented the guitar
Personally, I think he re-invented music.
Song writer, lyricist, vocalist, guitarist.
There will not be another.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:47 PM
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8. Jimi is still influencing guitarists today
there may be another Hendrix someday but nobody mentioned in this thread can seriously be considered IMO.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:35 PM
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2. Nope
50 years from now, people will still remember Hendrix, not the White Stripes.
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:40 PM
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5. I don't think they will be rememberd or go down histroy like Jimi...
but I do think they sound the same. here look at this from Rolling stone. http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=1917

2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band
3 B.B. King
4 Eric Clapton
5 Robert Johnson
6 Chuck Berry
7 Stevie Ray Vaughan
8 Ry Cooder
9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin
10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones
11Kirk Hammett of Metallica
12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
14 Jeff Beck
15 Carlos Santana
16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones
17 Jack White of the White Stripes
18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
19 Richard Thompson
20 James Burton
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:04 AM
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24. What A Dreadful List
How can any list of rock guitarists not include Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, or Tony Macalpine?

There are some guys on this list that aren't even good players, by any stretch, even when taking into account the times. (Cobain?!?!? Johnny Ramone?!?!? And i liked those guys, but they weren't good guitar players and lent nothing to the vocabulary.)

This list needs to be shredded.
The Professor
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:42 PM
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6. Nope
Good stuff, mostly, but not the new Hendrix by a long, long way.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:47 PM
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7. GOD. I AM SO SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THE WHITE STRIPES!!!!!
Yes, they're a pretty good band. Yes, they have a cool image. Yes, they're actually playing something that actually sounds like rock and roll in 2004, and for that they deserve some admiration.


But they're not the fucking second coming! There are literally thousands of bands currently mining the same garage-blues vein as the Stripes right now...why these two have gotten so much attention is a question of canny marketing, not almighty talent.

Again, they're good, but they're not the hot shit that the mainstream media plays them for...

Methinks what's really going on is that the industry realizes that they need a token "real" rock band to push into the mainstream, a prestige act to placate fed-up oldsters who don't buy music anymore and attract college-age consumers who consider themselves paragons of musical integrity. They could have chosen the New Bomb Turks, the Gories, the Murder City Devils, etc. instead, and given THEM the big promo push, and the result woulda been the same.
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Whitacre D_WI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:16 AM
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23. Gories coulda made it...
After "Outta Here," Warner Bros. wanted to sign them. Gave 'em a huge advance. Apparently, Mick & Dan couldn't bear the thought of working with Peggy anymore, so they turned down the cash (rather than reform "the Gories" with a different drummer).


Anyway, lookin' at that RS list -- I like the Stripes quite a lot (don't like the new album, though, sue me); but NO WAY IN HELL does any thinking human being rank the following BELOW Jack White as guitarists:
18 John Frusciante (not a Chili Peppers fan, but the guy rips)
19 Richard Thompson
35 John Fahey
45(?) Zappa
56(??) Tom Verlaine
80(???) Robert Quine
89(????) D. Boon (we're really getting ridiculous with the dissing of "punk" guitarists)
92 & 93 Wayne Kramer and Sonic Smith (Die, Rolling Stone, Die)

No Django Reinhardt. No Sonny Sharrock. No Richard Lloyd.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:52 PM
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9. I LIKE 'em!!!!
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slackdude Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:57 PM
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10. I saw the Stripes...
I saw them way back when they were touring to support their first album and not too many people had heard of them. They were one of two opening bands for Sleater Kinney. The first band was another duo, a bassist and drummer who weren't really anything special. I went to the downstairs bar and drank through their set. My friend who I was with said that he thought another band was on, so we went up to check them out. We got upstairs and I saw it was another duo and was ready to just go downstairs again. My friend suggested that we give them a song or two check out and I'm glad we did. Jack just ripped. He was doing all of this really sick slide guitar and singing and he sounded like a one-man Led Zeppelin if John Bonham was playing his drums asleep.

The next time I saw them, they were headlining a small arena.

While I don't necessarilly think that what they do is all that original, but they really know how to put on an incredible live performance and they're tapping into great influences.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:59 PM
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11. Hendrix didn't just reinvent the guitar
Hell, he was the first person who figured out how it was supposed to be played!

Bake
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Donating Member ( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:14 PM
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12. hendrix might disagree with you
Actually, I'm sure he would. He was pretty modest.

from an interview with Buddy Guy :
@
http://www.pbs.org/americanrootsmusic/pbs_arm_oralh_buddyguy.html

Do you see Jimi Hendrix as a blues artist, as opposed to someone who was just interested in psychedelic rock? What are Jimi's blues roots, as far as you're concerned? What contributions did he make to the blues?

Jimi Hendrix was the Coltrane of modern music. And at one point in time he was similar to me. Nobody wanted to listen to it when you turn that amplifier up. The Chess people didn't, either. I found out later that this guy who produced my first record with Silver Tom came to New York and took Jimi to London because they accepted it there. And that's how he exploded. I think he played for Little Richard, and he hung around New York, and everywhere he would play, it was like when I was here: "Who's that?" But when he went to England - you know, the British people exploded blues more than Muddy Waters, B.B. King, and everybody else, because they accepted it as they were playing it and released it. Then it came back here, and the Chess people were saying, "Kick me, Buddy, because you've been trying to tell me this all the time, and I wouldn't listen."

When Jimi left and went to England, I heard a quote that he was just wild. I was wild, but I wouldn't use the effects and things like he was, because I figured if you couldn't get it out of your wrists or your fingers, I didn't want nothing else helping me. Which was a big mistake.
and this
@
http://www.guitarist.co.uk/interviews/inter_page.asp?ID=415&PageNo=3

I ended up touring with this band the Soul Agents and had Rod Stewart acting as my kind of valet.
I got to know the Yardbirds well, Jeff Beck, Eric and most of the English blues musicians would come and check me out. Of course, I had a lot more energy than I have now - I was playing the guitar with my feet and throwing it up in the air - crazy stuff ! But although I was getting to play overseas, back home I still didn't have a record contract.

I thought that maybe it was because I played too loud and with too much feedback, then the next thing I know, Eric and Hendrix are out there using the same tricks and selling millions of albums.
When I finally met up with Hendrix and he said how much he liked my stuff I said 'well, it all comes from B.B. King', but he said 'no, it's Buddy Guy' and until that time I didn't know that.


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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:51 PM
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15. Buddy Guy is no slouch either!
But nobody heard of him before Jimi, at least not on a wide scale; he was still basically a blues guy. I've listened to Buddy for years, and he still wasn't doing the stuff Jimi did. Jimi's modesty notwithstanding, I stand by my assertion that Jimi invented rock & roll guitar as we know it. For the record, Clapton has stated that Buddy Guy is the best guitar player in the world (not a shabby endorsement!).

Bake
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:19 PM
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13. Your right
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:48 PM
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14. HAHAHAHAHA!
that's fucking ridiculous
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:38 PM
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16. while there will be no "next Jimi," give a listen to . . .
Robert Randolph on the steel guitar . . . a remarkable talent who is reinventing his instrument much as Jimi reinvented the electric guitar . . .
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argyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:27 PM
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17. Never.Hendrix was unique.He really redifined the electric guitar.
He wasn't created in a vacuum,though.If he hadn't gone to England he may have never been the icon he is now.In the US he was doing gigs like backing up King Curtis and Little Richard,great artists,but their musical style was not conducive to a guitar being the focal point of the music.
In Britain he was seeing live the likes of Pete Townshend,Jeff Beck,Jimmy Page,Keith Richards,Eric Clapton,etc.He was influenced by all and went on to create his own unique sound.
The first time I heard Hendrix,probably "Purple Haze",I thought "This is the most godawful crap I've ever heard".I'd never heard anything like it.I caught on pretty quick though,recognizing his music for the work of genius it was.
From 1967 to 1970 Jimi was the brightest star in the rock world.Dead at 27.What a tragedy.
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LastKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:37 PM
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18. Jack white? being equated to Jimi? hell no.
Edited on Mon Dec-29-03 11:40 PM by LastKnight
the day this takes hold is the day i destroy my hendrix cd's and burn my stratocaster. which will never happen thankfully. you can learn some white stripes song in 20 minutes. even the easier hendrix songs take a bit of time. just because they were both unique in thier own ways doesnt make them equals. Jack White is a good guitarist but he doesnt come close to Jimi.

nothing wrong with white stripes, really, just dont insult Jimi like that.

-LK
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argyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:19 AM
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22. If you must burn your Strat,please do it on or near Hendrix's grave.
As a tribute,he'd probably be smiling from above.
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oustemnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:11 AM
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19. Nah; Josh Homme from QOTSA, maybe
if you're just talking about advancing psychedelia via guitar, particularly the Queens' Rated R album, which trulyi had some six-string head-twists. Overall, though, I don't think that anyone could make a leap of the same magnitude that Jimi made in terms of advancing the guitar's vocabulary, and still call it music. (And I could call just about anything music.)

Jack White's fine, but in terms of creating textures and composing with understated sophistication a la Jimi, I'd have to go with either Homme or Steve Malkmus.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:43 AM
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20. THERE WILL NEVER BE "ANOTHER JIMI"
THERE WAS ONLY ONE AND HE IS FOREVER GONE. WHITE STRIPES? PLEASE.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:50 AM
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21. BLASPHEMER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How dare thee take thy guitar lord's name in vain.
IMHO while jimi is in his own catagory stevie ray vaughn and django reinhardt are also in their own catagories
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