Should victimless crimes be considered crimes at all?

KitchenWitch

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:17 PM
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Should victimless crimes be considered crimes at all?

Yes, I am musing again.

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mainegreen

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:17 PM
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1. Well, no crime is a victimless crime, BUT if you're the victim of the crime you commited then no.

Edited on Sat Feb-24-07 09:18 PM by mainegreen

That's silly.
As a broad general sweeping rule.
I'm sure there are exceptions.

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MonkeyFunk

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:20 PM
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3. of course

there are victimless crimes.

"Shoplifting is a victimless crime, like punching someone in the dark."

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mainegreen

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:24 PM
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5. "Shoplifting is a victimless crime, like punching someone in the dark"

:rofl:

I like that. You can't lift any meaning out of a sentence that sarcastic! Just a logical circle that goes round and round.

:P

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MonkeyFunk

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:25 PM
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6. I can't take credit...

it's a Nelson line from "The Simpsons".

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uppityperson

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:19 PM
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2. what is a victimless crime?

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KitchenWitch

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:22 PM
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4. Hypothetically speaking

Say, if I were to decide to grow and smoke my own marijuana, and have it not affect anyone else around me...

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uppityperson

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:28 PM
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7. If you do it in your own home, don't go out driving, don't hurt anyone. nope.

In AK you (used to be able to) grow 2 marijuana plants for personal use. I liked AK, even though didn't smoke.

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SPKrazy

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:40 PM
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15. And when you get lung cancer....

:shrug:

and want your insurance to pay for treatment is that still a "victimless" crime?

you are then asking your insurance premium payers to pay for your lifestyle choice

no such thing as a victimless crime KW, we don't live in a vacuum

:shrug:

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bicentennial_baby

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:46 PM
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18. And the definitve link between weed and lung cancer is what?

Oh right, there's no such thing...Correlation does not equal causation, my friend, in this case. Too many confounding factors.

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SPKrazy

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:50 PM
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19. Urp....

correlation does not equal causation

Bob Marley tends to disagree....

smoke in lungs can't be good...even if it feels good to do it :cough: :rofl:

I'm not some anti drug fiend... KW asked about victimless crimes...

there's always an effect to every action...

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bicentennial_baby

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Sat Feb-24-07 10:02 PM
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20. Bob Marley got cancer in his toe...

Not quite equivalent to lung cancer, imho...

Yes, *some* things have an effect that is negative. But, the weed gives you lung cancer link, or any cancer for that matter, is far from established.

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SPKrazy

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Sat Feb-24-07 10:04 PM
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21. Bob Marley

died of lung cancer

toe?

:shrug:

:hug:

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mainegreen

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Sat Feb-24-07 10:06 PM
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22. Nope. The cancer came from his toe.

Edited on Sat Feb-24-07 10:06 PM by mainegreen

No joke.

From a football (soccer) wound.

Crazy, eh?

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SPKrazy

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Sat Feb-24-07 10:11 PM
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23. That Is Weird

I'd always heard it was from the 48 tons of dope he smoked

damn

I knew I picked the wrong decade to give up smoking dope!
:rofl:

actually I have lung problems (asthma) and despite the fact that THC has some bronchodilator properties, it seemed to make mine worse so I ended up quitting. If it didn't do that, I might never have quit.

:P

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bicentennial_baby

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Sat Feb-24-07 10:11 PM
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24. Uh,no...it started in his toe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Marley#Later_years

And later spread to his brain, lungs, etc...

I've heard this story a brazillion times, including a bio of him. It's pretty much established fact, afaik. Sorry :shrug:

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SPKrazy

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Sat Feb-24-07 10:15 PM
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25. See #23

I actually thought I was responding to you in that post

:rofl:

:hug:

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bicentennial_baby

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Sat Feb-24-07 10:19 PM
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26. well, you can

kiss my feet ;)

or, go chastise those who voted overwhelmingly for "psycho skank" in my poll.... :D

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SPKrazy

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Sat Feb-24-07 10:26 PM
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27. I'd Rather

kiss your feet :loveya:

but I'll do both

:mad:

psycho skank? :rofl:

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bicentennial_baby

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Sat Feb-24-07 10:28 PM
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28. Yes, go see...

The kicking post near the bottom...That's who called me that yesterday...Although, to be fair, it was 'butt-ugly psycho skank'

Do as you will....my feet will be waiting though :D

;)

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MonkeyFunk

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:28 PM
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8. any act or state of being

that some jurisdiction has outlawed, that doesn't have a victim.

Say, possessing some pot. Being drunk in public. Having consensual sex for money.

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uppityperson

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:31 PM
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9. Running a stopsign but not hitting anyone or causing an accident?

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MonkeyFunk

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:34 PM
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10. yes

there is no victim in such a case.

However, endangering the public is rightly a crime, even when no one is hurt.

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uppityperson

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:38 PM
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11. True. And shoplifting hurts shop owners

unless they are WalMart of course.:evilgrin:

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MonkeyFunk

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:39 PM
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12. I don't believe

shoplifting is a victimless crime.

In short, to answer the OP seriously, some victimless crimes should be crimes, and some should not.

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KitchenWitch

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:45 PM
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17. shoplifting hurts the entire public - because store owners must

raise prices in order to make up for the losses.

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Kutjara

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:40 PM
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13. It depends.

Running a stopsign in a busy neighborhood with heavy traffic is a crime. Just because you got lucky and didn't hit anyone doesn't mean you weren't endangering people's safety.

Running a stopsign at a deserted country crossroads, with clear visibility for a mile in all directions, isn't endangering anyone and shouldn't be a crime.

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WCGreen

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:40 PM
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14. Why do you hate Jesus....

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KitchenWitch

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Sat Feb-24-07 09:43 PM
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16. because when he was a baby, he cried WAY too much!

:rofl:

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