Who was/is Sid Vicious?

just saw a promo for him on the Biography Channel, in which it was stated that his Mom used to score drugs for him.

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except for the part where he stabs his girlfreind to death.

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He was all show. He couldn't play bass worth a shit, but I guess he looked cool on stage. He did not play on "Never Mind the Bollocks".

That Johnny Rotten happened to like

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He allegedly killed his girlfriend and then died of a drug overdose

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Vicious

only 22?

Essentially just a kid who got famous too quickly and hung with the wrong crowd.

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so he was never actually convicted of anything, that's why I say allegedly

"On the morning of October 12, 1978 he allegedly awoke from a drugged stupor to find Spungen crumpled dead on the bathroom floor of their room (room 100) in the Hotel Chelsea in New York. She had received a single stab wound to her abdomen and apparently bled to death. He was arrested and charged with her murder although he said he had no memory of having done so. There are several theories that Spungen was murdered by someone else, usually said to be one of the two drug dealers who visited the apartment that night, and involving a possible robbery as certain items (including a substantial bankroll) were claimed to be missing from the room."

Nobody knows.

What most Sex Pistols fans don't know is that for most live performances Sid's bass was switched off or played by someone else. That's how terrible he was with the instrument. And when you're playing punk music, that says a lot.

He deserves to rot in his grave with indignity, because the asshole did nothing with his life except murder his girlfriend.

long time no see.

how's your kitty?

Well...only one of them is fat. The one whose name is my SN. :-)

being an ass whip on stage....

RIP Sid.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Vicious

yes INDEED - a very riveting, sad tale indeed. I read Nancy's mother's book too - very good.

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Nancy was a truly fucked up individual, the movie never made it as clear as the book does.

I guess I need to read it. A friend here read it recently and said it was good. I saw the movie and that movie is a real headtrip for sure. I was completely straight when I watched it and I just felt f*cked up afterwards. It was really sad. I really didn't like the actress that played Nancy, Chloe Webb. I thought she was really soft. They SO should have given that part to Courtney Love (she has a bit part in it). Today, of course, they'd be beating down her door to get her to play Nancy.

I know several people who worked on/were in the movie. The little kid that was getting beat up and Sid "saves" him (The scene where he say "I'm Sid Vicious" and the kids run away), I know that kid, dated him for a while actually (he's like 2-3 years younger than me). His mom was real big in the art and punk scenes in New York for a long time in the late 70's all through the 80's.

I must have watched that movie about a 1000 times.

It was such a deeply disturbing/enlightening view of a families struggle with what I guess today is bipolar?

Nancy's mom really let it all hang out there.

it was just heartbreaking - I read the book because it was awful how Nancy was treated like such a freak when the news reported her death

They should have made a movie out of the book though.

I wonder from time to time how the Spungen family is.
I know Deborah (the mom) was big time involved with P.O.M.C
(Parents of Murdered Children)

But the book had been published by the time the movie was done, so I think they should have used it to flesh out Nancy more, instead she was just a caricature in the movie based on the tabloid stories.

I've never thought about it before but you are right. Kind of an "I'm with the band" type character.

Suzy (Susan) Spungen worked with Martha Stewart for a while. I think she has some cookbooks out, too.

http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Want-Live-This-Life/dp/0449911411


http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art40603.asp
"But as always, there’s another side to the story, and that side is detailed by Nancy’s mother, Deborah, in the book, “And I Don’t Want to Live This Life.”

Despite her wild-child public reputation, Nancy was born and raised in an almost stereotypical suburban home outside of Philadelphia, the oldest of the three children of Frank and Deborah Spungen. But despite the conventional surroundings, Nancy herself was anything but a typical child. Deborah tells of an infant that screamed hysterically every waking moment, stopping only when she was physically exhausted. She consulted her pediatrician, who prescribed phenobarbitol to help the baby sleep -- at the age of 3 months. At 6 months, when Nancy began crawling, and again would stop only when physically exhausted, doctors responded by increasing the medication, and still insisting that this was a normal baby.

The family suffered years of increasingly difficult, obsessive, and even violent behavior from Nancy, along with years of vainly consulting doctors and specialists searching for answers. At every turn, her parents were assured that Nancy was normal, that she would grow out of it, or worse, that her problems were because of the way her parents “handled” her. Because she was gifted, Nancy was ineligible for programs able to handle her behavioral problems; because of her behavioral problems, she was unable to function in either public or private schools. Nancy was a teenager before a doctor suggested that she was schizophrenic – but the diagnosis appeared only in her school records, and her parents were never told. By the time the Spungens were told of the diagnosis, they were also told that Nancy was too ill to be helped by the treatments available at that time. They were helpless to do anything but stand by and watch while Nancy continued on her self-destructive course.

Deborah’s book details the effects that Nancy had on the family with painful honesty. Their love for her is apparent. What is also apparent is their frustration not only with their limited options but with Nancy herself, and their unwilling relief when she moved out and was no longer a daily presence. Deborah makes no effort to put the best face on her family or its problems, and by doing so, turns them from one-dimensional tabloid fodder into our neighbors and friends. Well-written and thoroughly engrossing, the book doesn’t just tell her story, but pulls you into it with her. "

I didn't know that her problems started that early on. It sounds like bi-polar or something. Man, that downers in childhood thing is never a good idea. Courtney love is also someone who is just mind-bendingly brilliant as well. Wow. Thanks for posting all that, I'm definitely gonna read it.

with children who had mental needs back then & how they coped without any REAL help.

Today would have been Nancy's 49th birthday

Nancy Spungen's birthday 2/27/2007, All Day
Not a big day for movie stars today, so instead of focusing on semi-successful politicians who were born today we chose Nancy Spungen. Nancy Laura Spungen (1958-1978) was born to a well-to-do Jewish family in New York. She was a hyperactive child, reportedly throwing suicidal cursing fits at the age of eight and abusing heroin by 15. At 19 she became a groupie, following such bands as Aerosmith, Bad Company, and The Ramones. She moved with a friend to London, and briefly worked as a prostitute. She met Sex Pistols bass player Sid Vicious one night, after she slammed her knuckles against a brick wall during a bar brawl. They quickly moved in together, and during their 21-month relationship, used heroin daily. Their destructive personalities and lifestyles, as well as Sid's emotional dependence on her, hurt the Sex Pistols' performance and the band split up during its US tour. Sid and Nancy moved to the famous Chelsea Hotel in New York City where Sid tried, with little success, to revive his musical career. Fueled by lack of money, increased drug abuse and reports of domestic violence, the pair seemed destined for a tragic end. That end came on October 12, 1978, when Nancy's partially-clothed body was found in their hotel bathroom, stabbed in the stomach with Sid's knife.

You were one batshit crazy lady.

one hot motherfucker, a dirty, roughed up James Dean, that's who he was

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOQ4f7YItX8

"So stop your cheap comment
cause we know what we feel..."

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I'd like to eat all of these guys for breakfast lunch and dinner, and the naysayers can sod off...

Or "Who is Moritz Schlick?"

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Opiner and an old Wittgensteiner!

I could never have come up with that! That is exactly the kind of high brow humor that I learned to love from that guy on Barney Miller, a very influential character on my own development. I wish I could remember his name. The guy who played him came to my college for a night of stand up comedy, and it was just as high brow and intellectual as his character on Barney Miller, but with more swear words and the occasional hilarious crudity.

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Seriously...I miss Carson. He did some of that stuff and so did Jack Paar and some of his guests. Nothing like it around these days.

wore sweaters, smoked cigarettes, I think his name was David something... dammit, I can't think of it... back in the 70s...

back when it was okay to know stuff and one could make a joke about logical positivism and get laughs, or when the world wasn't focused on just a few celebrities in the pop music and American Idol genres, and actually knew the names of the famous of clothing designers, ballet dancers, playwrights, essayists, thinkers, painters, etc.

And this isn't to wallow nostalgically in a time that never was - one thing on the side of intellectualism with early TV, like with early airline travel, was that it was expensive, so the average uneducated piece of shit hadn't a chance to contaminate it yet.

I look back on the glory days of TV like I look back on the glory days of airline travel, when only better-bred people had a chance at it, people dressed better, and acted more like human beings. (and, as a total sidebar, of course the poblem with ailine travel now isn't that people don't dress well, it's that the gubment has made it such a Goddamned pain in the ass that dressing well just makes it more of a pain in the ass)

trend of popular culture. Paar used to have people like Oscar Levant, Alexander King, Truman Capote and that interesting character actor Hans Conried who was just blisteringly funny about suburban nitwittery. Paar also had some very sophisticated women on his show too who were totally unlike the thin blonde clones on the current late night shows ALWAYS pushing a new movie and sometimes a new book (??!!). There was a total lack of sentimentality in their badinage and a refreshing edge of cynicism. I think this was after the Lucy crowd had all gone to bed and the ones who liked the Stork Club etc. were still awake. That's another whole part of our culture that's vanished, elegant nightclubs. I grew up too late for those and I just barely remember elegant train travel.

I discussed the theory with some friends that people nowadays dress like crap and so they are treated like crap or are content to be treated so. I rather startled them with this "elitist" train of thought. Might be something to it though.

we do dress like shit in this country.

Used to be that one would not go out in public without looking halfway decent - now we get shitbags in spandex and sweat suits and other crappy clothes, wearing their sweat-stained baseball-style caps indoors, even while eating, casual dress everywhere - my God, to go to the mall or the supermarket is to basically see people as they dress at home. Used to be only the family had to endure that crap; now these shitlickers foist it upon the entire world. I don't give a shit what you sleep in, moron - why are you broadcasting it at the theater?

Even the Internet has suffered - used to be a really cool place that educated people hung out in; but now, cheap computers and cheap bandwidth have allowed every stupid fuck in the country access to it. But, at least with the Internet, unlike say broadcast TV, we the viewers have a choice of what we will look at and do, so we can, for the most part, avoid the illiterati.

As the Common Man has been elevated up and given opportunities and resources he did not have 50 years ago, instead of entering fully into the world to which he had long aspired he instead entered in only long enough to contaminate it with his ignorant and common virus, sickening that world until it had devolved to his level.

"I want all the benefits of your technology and knowledge and income, but I don't want any of the responsibility"

by his friend, singer Johnny Rotten. Vicious (nee John Beverley) couldn't play bass, couldn't write songs, and couldn't keep a beat. But he looked great in leather. For that reason, he was allowed to replace talented songwriter/bassist Glen Matlock, without whom the Sex Pistols would have been little more than a curiosity.

Glen Matlock's melodic sense, not the half-baked politics or the posing or the dumb-looking clothes, are the reason why the Sex Pistols have a lasting nook in the rock firmament. Sid Vicious was a mistake on all fronts.

(Can you tell I'm still pissed off about this?)

(Can you tell I'm still pissed off about this?)

Yes.

Yes I can.

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He was a punk rocker. Played bass for the Sex Pistols. Went on to do a solo album. Got horribly hooked on heroin. Went out in a blaze of glory after being accused of killing Nancy, although there is other evidence out there that a drug dealer really killed her.


RIP Sidney

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while I was around without attracting me, did you?

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that put out one album and and occasionally finished a live show before telling their audience they were bunch of assholes. Yet, somehow, they are revered as the most awesomest band ever by the hipsters.

I guess they didn't last long enough for a Best of the Sex Pistols: Platinum Favorites!

I was thinking about that with regards to the Violent Femmes today. Only one well-known album, but boy did it have a unique sound and did it ever make an impact on my generation. There's been nothing like it before or since.

Just do it.

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/377012/492608

i do Love to watch the scene where he breaks his Leg on Live tv.... and then finishes the match. :wow: