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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:24 PM
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To help all y'all understand life better: median, mean (average), and mode
Edited on Sat Mar-10-07 01:26 PM by Rabrrrrrr
Sadly, journalism today sucks and is so dumbed down as to be practically without value, and so asshole writers are always giving us shit for statistical analyses. So, I offer you this helpful guide:


Mean (in non-statistical terms, "average")

One you are surely familiar with: whatever the numbers are, add them all up, divide that total by the number of numbers, and voila - the average.

The mean, however, rarely ends up in the center of the numerical range.

For example, let's use the "Average wedding cost is $28,000". That phrase actually gives the world absolutely no useful information. We are no smarter knowing that information than we were not knowing it. When someone says something like that to you, your response should be "So what? That number has no meaning because you gave it no context."

If five wedding samples were taken, it could have been the cost for the five were: $26K, $27K, $28K, $29K, and $30K. That averages to $28K, which in this case, is right in the middle. But that $28K average also could come from a sample of 10 weddings that had a cost of $10K for 9 of them, and a cost of $190K for one of them. Or 100 weddings that cost $2000 for 99 of them, and one that cost $2,602,000.

See how saying "Average is $28K" offers no information of any value?


Median

The median is that number which is in the exact center of the lineup of numbers under question. In my first example, it's $28K. In the second example, it's $10K, and in the third it's $2000.

In the list of numbers $3K $5K $9K $50K $73K (mean is still $28K), the median is $9K, because it's in the center. In the list of number $2K $3K $3K $9K $50K $101K (still maintaining our mean of $28K), the median is the average of the middle two (3 and 9) which is $6K.

mode

The number that shows up most frequently. In my first example, none of them are the mode. In the second, it's $10K since it appears 9 times, and in the third it's $2000 since it shows up 99 times. In the two lists of numbers above, the first list has no mode (every number appears only once) and the second list's mode is $3K.

range

Range is merely the difference between the lowest number and the highest number. Some statisticians add 1 to that total. There seems to be debate on it.

In the first example, the range is $5K; the second is $180K, and the third is $2,600K. In the two lists of numbers, the range of the first is $70K, and the second is $99K.

conclusion

So, hopefully, you can see how utterly devoid of information the phrase "average cost of wedding is $28,000".

Example 1: mean=$28K, range=$5K, median=$28K, mode=empty
Example 2: mean=$28K, range=$180K, median=$10K, mode=$10K
Example 3: mean=$28K, range=$2600K, median=$2K, mode=$2K
Example 4: mean=$28K, range=$70K, median=$9K, mode=empty
Example 5: mean=$28K, range=$99K, median=$6K, mode=$3K

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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:27 PM
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1. What do you mean? Is there a better mode to explain this concept
Edited on Sat Mar-10-07 01:35 PM by Gormy Cuss
other than shouting from the median?

:dunce:


(I kid. Good reminder of how looking at only one measurement can lead to erroneous conclusions)
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 04:58 PM
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22. How can the average guy understand this?
You are just plain mean.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 05:05 PM
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23. Rabrrrrrr isn't average. He's THE standard deviation.
:evilgrin:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 05:19 PM
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26. LOL
:rofl:
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:28 PM
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2. Having a stat class flashback on a Saturday morning is NOT cool.
Why'd ya have to go and do that to me? :hangover:

Keep it up, and I'll retaliate with a primer on deconstructionism. :P
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:30 PM
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4. I start deconstruction the moment I awake, and my mind flows with mathematical goodness
Edited on Sat Mar-10-07 01:30 PM by Rabrrrrrr
at all hours of the day.

:7

Sadly (or maybe goodly), my brain really never slows down.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:40 PM
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7. Fine.
Just when I was ready to go all Jacques Lacan on your ass. :7
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:41 PM
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8. You can try you Jaques Lacan all you want. I'll retaliate with Girard.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:42 PM
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9. As in Rene?
No. That'll just get me all hot & bothered.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 02:27 PM
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12. Absolutely Rene!
Is there any other?

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 02:35 PM
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15. I freaking LOVE Girard.
I read his stuff for pleasure. Violence and the Sacred is one of my all-time favorite books EVER.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 02:46 PM
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17. It is one of my favorite books, too - had a big impact on how I think.
I think Girard is our foremost philosopher - he seems actually to be accurate and sensible, and not just making shit up, and dealing with issues from a meta level and not a narrow one.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 02:50 PM
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19. Agreed, and same here.
He's the voice in the back of my mind every time I read something like Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy. Good, good, good shtuff.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:30 PM
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3. it sure is mean of you to assume that the mode of us
do not understand this.

Plus you did not say anything about that old saw of 'half being below average by definition'. I am pretty sure the average DUer is not gonna care anyway.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:31 PM
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5. Ah, but that last one is not true. Half are below the MEDIAN, not average.
Edited on Sat Mar-10-07 01:34 PM by Rabrrrrrr
As I showed in examples 2 (9 out of 10 below average) and example 3 (99 out of 100 below average)
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:49 PM
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10. I thought its untruth was implied when I called it an 'old saw'
but my dictionary tells me I was wrong. It calls a saw a 'maxim, or proverb'. I could have sworn they were only called that when the writer wanted to rip into them. Ah well, live and don't learn I guess.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 02:30 PM
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14. That's been my motto since I read it Calvin and Hobbes!
Live and don't learn.

It's served me well.

:rofl:




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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:35 PM
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6. Interesting and useful
I always wondered the difference between mean and median and now I know. Thanks!
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:53 PM
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11. In a normal distribution, they should be the same
But when you talk about income or housing prices or weddings, that is not usually a normal distribution so they would not be the same. The distribution is skewed toward the high end. If Bill Gates walks into a bar, the mean income just went up to several million dollars, even though everyone else in the bar makes nowhere near that amount.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 02:28 PM
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13. thanks for posting this
Shitty statistical analysis PISSES ME OFF like none other x(
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 02:43 PM
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16. And shitty math knowledge and understanding, too.
Bad numberology is the bane of my existence.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 02:46 PM
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18. preaching to the choir. My personal pet peeve is the misuse/misunderstanding of the word "theory"
No, it doesn't mean "an educated guess". It's a very specific term used by scientists.

Just because something is a "theory" doesn't mean it isn't fact. :nuke:
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 04:19 PM
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20. Sadism.
Isn't that the standard deviation of the mean?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 04:52 PM
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21. when we do work, we try to make between $350 ~ $550+ per day...
i have no idea what you're talking about = http://www.vegasweddings4u.com
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 05:08 PM
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24. I though median was that grass strip down the middle of the interstate.
:shrug:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 05:13 PM
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25. yeah, but did you hear the average wedding costs $28k?
:popcorn:
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 07:30 PM
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27. Ur still a douche
no soup for you!
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