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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 10:19 AM
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Our society needs more culture! Wash Post did a story that I
just read. They took a world class violinist - playing an extraordinary violin - playing some of the world's best music. Put him in the subway and had him play. He got about $27 in his hat. And just about everyone just passed him by.

No one paid any attention. Except the children. (children are so wonderful until we ruin them)

That is just pitiful. I know that not everyone likes classical music or ballet or opera. But it is an important component of culture. And we are truely lacking.
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 10:26 AM
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1. we don't need culture, we have sports
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 10:27 AM by Connonym
:sarcasm: (in case it wasn't obvious)
Art and music are pretty much the first place schools look to cut budgets but there's always money for the fucking football team. It bothered me when I was in school and it bothers me even more today as a parent. Our society values athletics more than art or intellect. Damned shame.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 10:38 AM
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2. Ain't that the truth. Football over all.
I know that the arts aren't for everyone. But I would hate to see it lost.

It just seems that everything we do anymore simply plays to the lowest levels in our society. It is not only sports everywhere. But math and science are being dumbed down.

Being made aware of incredible beauty (like wonderful music and art and writing) makes so much of life worthwhile.

I just can't imagine just walking right on by when such a fine violinist is playing. I would stop and listen no matter how big a hurry I was in. But apparently no one stopped to listen.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 04:06 PM
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9. Really. All the money they spend on college sports! Could go to
schlorships for needy and intelligent students.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:42 AM
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3. And when you attempt to teach things like music appreciation or art appreciation, you get flack.
At the schools I have been at, whenever the kids have a musical performance, the parents and families in the audience are talking, running around, going outside for a smoke- anything but sit and listen to their kids. But hey, they way the kids sing, I can't blame them. When I attempt to teach basic singing skills to my students (yes, I sing and have taken lessons, so I have some skills to pass on) I get comments like "Why do they have to learn this?" So, the kids have no musical ability or understanding of music. The same thing when I try to teach them anything about art. They can drew guns and things blowing up, but learning to sketch their hand or still life is just "boring." So, by the time my kids hit middle school and high school, they've had little to no exposure to art and music and have virtually no interest. It is really sad. I don't think everyone needs to be a virtuoso, but there is merit in at least having some exposure to these things.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:47 AM
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4. It's interesting too because music teaches all the things they say sports do
Teamwork. Discipline. Leadership. Confidence. The idea that hard work and sacrifice can lead to success. And it does it without violence or browbeating (not that all coaches browbeat their players but a shocking number of them do).

I'm not anti-sports but it's always bothered me that sports have been considered to be so much more important than music.
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:50 AM
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5. This is also a television oriented society.
You could also add literature there with opera, ballet and classical music. Most people in this society wouldn't know Edith Wharton from Edith Bunker. The results from that subway experiment were sad. It's also too bad that tickets to events like the opera, ballet and a classical music concert are priced so high that a member of the average public is unable to afford them. But on the other hand, tickets to football games and other sporting events aren't cheap.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:52 AM
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6. That was a completely FLAWED, BOGUS "experiment."
Any busker with the sense of a billy goat KNOWS that you secure your spot in time for the lunch hour crowd. Morning commuters are NOT a viable target audience under ANY circumstances.

The pretentious, elitist conclusions drawn by the author make me wanna :puke: And Evvie being denied the chance to interact with Joshua, who is a dear soul, INFURIATES ME. I'm not angry at his mom, I reserve my wrath for the idjits at WP.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:58 AM
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7. I do have to agree that this is a silly way to conduct an experiment
For one thing, your average person isn't familiar with classical music and so would have no idea if it was being played well or not. Plus in my experience most people avoid any situation in which they may end up feeling obligated to cough up money - whether it's a homeless beggar or someone playing music. In cities, especially, it's something you meet up with everywhere and unless you want to be broke within three blocks, you learn to insulate yourself.

So, yeah, stupid method.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:00 PM
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8. basically, yes
anyone who knows even the littlest bit about street hustling knows that timing and placement are everything...
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RedStateShame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 04:12 PM
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10. I read that story today. And I as well have proof that our society needs more culture:
I still have to work a day job, rather than just take my bands on the road.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 04:15 PM
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11. We are seriously lacking, yes; but that study proves jack shit
except that busy commuters are busy whether they're hearing a jackoff insane guy playing an accordian or a brilliant violinist.

What a stupid fucking study.
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