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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 10:16 PM
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Who Created the Beatles?
Firedog Lake has a YouTube clip of the early Beatles. A smash success as a touring band, the Beatles were also brilliant songwriters and studio musicians. But I wonder about the team behind them. How much of the Beatles was actually created by the Beatles?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8UOHpMGG0Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Efiredoglake%2Ecom%2F

For instance, who wrote the orchestration for some of their big hits? Was it some anonymous schlep working for a mega-corporation? Which songs did the Beatles actually write themselves? I'm not asking this to tear them down, but to put them in historical context. They were prodigiously talented, but they were also of this earth.



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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 10:18 PM
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1. business--brian epstein
production, arrangements and orchestration--George Martin

but John, early on, was the biggest creative contributor
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mulsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 11:13 PM
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2. listen to Anthology volumen 1
& the stuff from Hamburg. The Beatles before Epstein & Martin.
That's who created the Beatles, the other guys just polished them a bit.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 11:44 PM
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3. The Beatles created the Beatles
Their prodigious talent overrode everything - even corporate involvement.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 11:56 PM
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5. nah. that was Oasis you're thinking of . . .
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:00 AM
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6. lol
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:13 AM
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7. backatya
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 02:55 AM
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14. Just saw this post, but I did remember it was Brian Epstein... at least he was involved.
Hi Brad... how's your spring/summer going so far?
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 11:48 PM
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4. The Beatles were their own creation.
Brian Epstein, whose family owned a record shop in Liverpool saw the Beatles perform at the Cavern Club in Liverpool and talked the boys into allowing him to become their manager. He was largely responsible for getting them some high profile gigs, which eventually led to their success.

The original Beatles were John Lennon, George Harrison, Paul McCartney, Pete Best, and sometimes Stu Sutcliffe. Ringo Starr did not become a Beatle, until the group was signed to Parlophone records. George Martin, the producer, didn't think Pete Best could play worth a damn, and told the group they needed to come up with another drummer. The group had seen Ringo perform with Rory Storm and the Hurricanes and liked his style, so they asked him to join, and the rest is history.

Stu Sutcliffe got kicked in the head, in a fight when the band toured Germany and died of cerebral hemmhorrage.

The first couple of Beatles albums had a few covers of other people's music, but they all had written tons of their own music, while in Germany in 1962, and fought hard to be able to record their own material. George Martin allowed it, and they skyrocketed to fame.
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:32 AM
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8. Sgt. Pepper's 40th Anniversary
Lots of DJ's are marking yesterday's 40th anniversary of the Sgt. Pepper album by playing long selections from it. Add music geek to the long list of Beatle attributes. Many sound effects in that album were either new or at least innovative.

That's what led me to question whether everything that came out of the Beatle studio was in fact the Beatles' own work. It's a fair question to ask if Shakespeare wrote all of Shakespeare or if Rembrandt painted every brush stroke of every painting attributed to him. While it's a lovely story to think that these four guys came together to become the Beatles, that's the same romantic mindset that has people believing that Steve and Woz created Apple Computer all by themselves. (They didn't).

I wouldn't be surprised if some parts of some music attributed to Chopin were written by an underling. I don't think the music world would fall apart if some credit went to those anonymous individuals who contributed in some non-trivial way to the Beatles' body of work.

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 03:00 AM
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15. In Newark Airport yesterday morning, cable news did a feature on
another modern group of four trying to recreate the music of the Beatles on that album. The producer went so far as to arrange to have similar equipment to record them.

Just a little bit I heard sounded pretty authentic, but then I'm not a connoisseur. I do remember going to a party in 1967 and seeing the cover (and hearing the music) for the first time. My ex-husband and I were a part of the entire performance scene in NYC at the time -- and working for ABC and NBC.

I must say that I didn't immediately take to the Beatles, preferring classical and jazz to their "popular" styles.

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 05:51 AM
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18. They were all self-taught musicians
Except for a few covers early on, they wrote their own songs, all of them, and they played their own instruments. There has never been any evidence otherwise. If another can be called a fifth Beatle, it would be George Martin. Martin was the Beatle's producer for the majority of the group's recording sessions.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 01:29 AM
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9. 1962 at The Cavern Club
Edited on Sun Jun-03-07 01:30 AM by graywarrior
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 01:42 AM
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10. Their parents?
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 01:48 AM
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11. Chuck Berry and he's still pissed about it.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 01:55 AM
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12. LMAO!!!
Beautifully done :)
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 02:05 AM
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13. Chuck was so pissed he punched out Keith Richards at an airport just for being British
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 03:15 AM
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16. It doesn't take much to get Chuck pissed off...or pissed on
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 03:18 AM
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17. Well some would say God did
...I think he did it on day eight or nine after that much needed rest thingy.






















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