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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 12:38 PM
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Funny, you don't look Jewish... (DU Jews? Check in here)
Edited on Mon Jan-19-04 12:41 PM by elfwitch
I'm just kinda wondering how many other Jews there are here on DU.
Were you born Jewish or did you convert? And another question, are you Reform, Conservative, or Orthodox?

Me: Reform, convert
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 12:46 PM
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1. I come from the Jewish atheist wing.
Honest to God, my family used a Haggadah rewritten by my mom and my uncle for years, with mention of God edited out.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 12:51 PM
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4. so you are...
In my conversion classes were were told that there are religious, cultural, or hereditary Jews. Or there are combinations of the three types.

So that makes you hereditary. Cool enough. I'm just happy to be on the team.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 12:47 PM
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2. I think...
Edited on Mon Jan-19-04 12:50 PM by seventhson
that this kind of question is not permitted here -- but a poll might be so that folks do not have to necessarily identify themselves.

I am a gentile whose father worked with the Jewish/French and International antiNazi underground in WWII.

It is one reason I am so hesitant to trust those with ties to the Bushies who financed Hitler, no matter what their alleged affiliation.

I have been to Israel/Palestine and it reinvigorated my faith in the Abrahamic traditions of Judaism, Islam AND Christianity and the influence of Buddhism/Vedanta (Hinduism) and Zoroastrianism (Monotheism from Persia) on this faith also became clear to me.

I found the Essenes and resisters at Masada very compelling spiritually as well.

I guess I am a Hillelian believer in the Rabbi Jesus who I suspect/believe was a Buddhist and an avatar/Boddhisattva.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 12:50 PM
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3. I'm Jewish
Reform...and yes, I hear "you don't look Jewish" all the time. *groan*
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 12:53 PM
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5. I get that alot...
I've just kinda learned to live with it. My problem comes when most people assume everybody is Christian.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 12:56 PM
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6. I'll bet Sammy Davis Jr got it more than both of us :-)
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:03 PM
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7. I'm sure he did
:shrug:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 03:11 PM
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48. LOL!
Cute!
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:23 PM
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8. I was born a Jewess, thank you very much
and raised conservative. So many prominent Jews in te congregation I grew up in (in Philadelphia)! I'm reform/agnostic now.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 02:07 PM
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14. I love being reform...
It is flexible and extremely modern in its views and practices.
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:29 PM
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9. Jew by choice
I converted in 2000. Long story short I was raised a Southern Baptist, but by my early 20s I became agnostic, I no longer believed in the Christian dogma. I became interested in Judaism in the early 1990s as I discovered I had Jewish relatives. I began studying in 1999. By the way, guys, if you've ever considered converting, and you're already circumcised, be warned: you will be required (depending on the movement of Judaism) to undergo a symbolic circumcision, which does require drawing a drop of blood from that...area.

Due to my dominant Hungarian features, I look very Jewish.



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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 02:02 PM
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12. Jew by choice...
My husband and I converted at the same time. (Temple beth-El San Antonio). He was raised Southern Baptist too. I was raised nothing in particular. Our Jewish Family Services counselor said I was probably Jewish (based on my belief system) all my life and I just didn't know it.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:42 PM
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10. my partner
but she doesn't post on the DU...does it still count?
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 02:06 PM
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13. sure does!
Some Reform congregations will perform commitment ceremonies. The Rabbi at my old Temple had done a few. Of course, I don't think any of them would do a ceremony for a mixed couple (one Jew, one non-Jew). In Dallas there is a synagogue that is primarily gay and lesbian. Reform Judaism is really understanding of such things.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:54 PM
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11. Lonestar checks in
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 03:16 PM
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15. That's it????
I can't believe there aren't more.
Come ON!!!
Say it loud, I'm a Jew and I'm proud!
(borrowing slightly from James brown)
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 03:22 PM
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17. it's still early
I'm sure most won't log on until evening or tomorrow
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 03:21 PM
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16. Hi..
checking in..

Me: Modern Orthodox, born (I hate being an Orthodox, but I said modern because I don't give a damn about the rules on electricity or driving on Sabbath, but we do keep kosher)

Hawkeye-X
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 03:27 PM
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18. how kosher?
Do you do the separate fridges and stuff?
Do you do the no milk and dairy together?
Do you just stay away from the pork and shellfish?

I'm pretty much in the last category.
I tried the no meat and dairy thing but it was jut TOO HARD.
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 03:28 PM
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19. Oh all right.
Edited on Mon Jan-19-04 03:35 PM by Squeech
I was brought up Jewish, in a conservative synagogue in the Boston suburbs. I was chronically the worst student in my Hebrew school classes, and I was bar mitzvah'ed in a quickie ceremony at the age of 15 so I could be called to the Torah at my brother's bar mitzvah the next week.

I didn't want to post in this thread because I'd just posted in the atheist thread.

That said, I guess I identify as culturally Jewish. I like the ideas the Jews have about righteousness (tzedakah). As an example, there's a huge contrast between the Christian concept of good works, which is that there's no virtue in it if you do it from impure motives, and the Jewish concept, which is that if you keep doing it you will eventually learn the righteous motivation, and in the meanwhile, the world will benefit from your charity!

I also really enjoy the Passover festivity-- a holiday dedicated to the liberation of an oppressed people, and heaps of good food, what's not to like? :-)

On edit: I don't keep kosher, and I eat trefe. And I certainly don't keep the Sabbath.

There's a tradition that says the Shekhina (loosely translated as the Face of God) turned away from the world with the destruction of the Second Temple, and will not return until either all Jews keep the Sabbath, or *no* Jews keep the Sabbath. Cynic that I am, I think I should bet on non-compliance. And I really don't want to have to give up lobster.

Further edit: I certainly look the part: massively curly hair, big hooked nose, excess body hair... I might as well get a tattoo "O my daughter, O my ducats!"
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:00 PM
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20. Goyim child who was lost in the woods and raised by a pack...
of Sheckeys. "Mitchum of the Catskills"
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:01 PM
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21. Well, I'm not Jewish, but I was once
hugged by a rabbi! Does that count for anything?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:05 PM
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22. My sister married a Jewish non -religious guy
and I have a nephew...
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:06 PM
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23. I am matrilineally but my mother was baptized so not really
I also was baptized of course. I am Christian but like many Jewish theological ideas. They make sense.
Strangely, a number of aquaintances have thought that I was Jewish but they don't tell me why. There are Jews that look like me but I don't look stereotypically Jewish.
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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:55 PM
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24. Reform, born
And damn proud of it :D
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 09:23 PM
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26. glad to be a part of the Reform group...
Best decision i ever made. Well that and marrying my husband.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:04 PM
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25. Very Reform and born that way
and happy about it!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 09:27 PM
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27. Non-practicing here...but my Jewish identity is strong
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 10:21 PM
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28. Look Jewish?
Edited on Mon Jan-19-04 10:37 PM by SCRUBDASHRUB
Hi! I was brought up Jewish, had a bat mitzvah, parents kept kosher (still do), separate dishes, etc.

My husband isn't Jewish, but neither of us converted (he was brought up Catholic but does not practice anything).

I still light the Shabbos candles most Friday nights, though we don't keep kosher and I attend my parents' shul (Orthodox) on the High Holy Days.


My Hebrew name is Devorah Sarah. Anyone else care to share theirs?

Valarie

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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 10:32 AM
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29. Dontcha just love Shabbat?
I love lighting the candles. I love challah. I can't imagine what Friday night would be like without candles, wine, and bread.

My Hebrew name is Devorah as well. When I chose my name I did it to honor my mother who was Deborah. My husband is Yakov and my son is Gidon.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 06:59 PM
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30. Comments that get under my skin
Does it bug you, or anyone else on this board, when people say that someone "looks" Jewish? Stereotypes, in general, bother me. I mean, looks at Alicia Silverstone. She's Jewish, and doesn't "look Jewish" at all!? It's funny to me. I think of Judaism as a religion with traditions vs. a race you know? I mean, there are Ethiopian Jews (after all, Jews were nomads so really, someone "looking Jewish" doesn't even make sense). Perhaps it's the perception of someone being of Eastern European descent.

One thing that REALLY, REALLY ticks me off, though, is when I hear people refer to someone being cheap as "jewing someone down." That just makes me want to scream! I immediately tell them that is extremely offensive (of course, they usually don't realize that's what they're saying), especially since I'm Jewish. I've heard it more than once at my workplace (it has since stopped since I corrected the couple of people who said the offesive phrase), and what really killed me is that the ignoramus actually defended the comment!!? That
drove me totally insane!!!!!

How have you all handled this kind of stuff?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 07:01 PM
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31. I had someone say it to me at a DU event!
:eyes:
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:14 PM
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39. "I had someone say it to me at a DU event!"
OMG! Did you say anything, or were you in shock!?

Like, this came out of a Democrats' mouth!!?? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 07:14 PM
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33. Since my dad was IRISH Catholic, I have a very Irish last
name and a very non Jewish first name...think ma of you know who...

However, I have VERY curly hair...am short and round.and hairy even though I am female (NOT fun)..so when people LOOK at me they assume the obvious but when they hear my name they also assume that I was Catholic at one time. I get tired of having to tell my story to everyone and their brother and sister. It's not any of their business but many make it so.

According to orthodox law once one has converted then it is forbidden to mention that person's previous non Jewish status. The orthdox believe that a non Jew who comes to Judaism is simply a Jewish soul that was misplaced into a non Jewish body and found its way home.

As far as "looking" Jewish what people are really saying is that you look Eastern European and/or Slavic. Since Jews lived many centuries in Eastern Europe those are the features that are prominent.
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:59 PM
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36. My dad was Irish Catholic too!
And Mom is Jewish, but they were both atheists and Reds.

I felt more Jewish, because the Yiddish-speaking grandparents were very close to me.

The extent of our "observance" was lighting Hanukkah candles and having a million presents under the Christmas tree.
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:56 PM
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35. I was on the Lifecycle at the gym
when I heard one of my fellow cyclers use the term "jewing someone down." I gave him a filthy look, and when I finished cycling, I went up to him and said, "That expression really offends me." He said, "Me too, I was just repeating what some jerk said to me." Oops!!
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:11 PM
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38. "I was on the Lifecycle at the gym"
Good for you!

I hope that jackass never repeats it again. Makes you wonder: if he thought the other guy was a jerk, why did he think to repeat it...not exactly someone you'd like to emulate, huh?

I think sometimes people don't realize what they're saying until we tell them.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:43 AM
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42. In my office...
I am the only Jew in the office. It is a small company however. I have to constantly remind them that not everyone celebrates Easter and Christmas. I have to constantly remind them on days we get pizza or something to keep the pork products off the ingredients list.

One year I got really dirty looks for taking off on Yom Kippur and asking to leave early on Erev Rosh Hashana.

I usually handle it by FIRMLY reminding people that not everyone is Christian and that those of us who aren't don't like to have our beliefs run over by theirs.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 07:05 PM
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32. Jewish....
Been that way all my life...

Dad was Catholic so most sibs are a variation thereof....

I consider myself a Conservareformadox Jew...I like what all branches have to say...I prefer Conservative Judaism because it leans more traditional but includes women in all aspects of worship. The Reform movement is my political home (check out the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism at http://www.rac.org/home-frame.html).

Shalom to all!!!
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:33 PM
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34. here I am, .... checking in ....
:hi:
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elcondor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:11 PM
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37. Converted to Reform
:hi:
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:41 PM
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40. Member of the Gentile auxiliary
Episcopalian married to a Jew. We decided to bring up our son Jewish. I haven't felt a burning need to convert but I may yet--haven't ruled it out.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:11 AM
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41. my boss is Jewish
he does the most HILARIOUS impression of his mother - he says Mike Myer's Linda Richman on SNL's Coffee Tawk is an exaggeration but "not much". :7
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:47 AM
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43. lol I remember her
Loved it when they talked about madonna and barbara
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:07 PM
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44. "huh voice is like buttah"
"tawk amongst yourselves" :7
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 02:10 PM
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45. Did you see the Behind the Actor's Studio with Mike Meyers?
It was a hoot! He explained where he got the character from.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 03:00 PM
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46. lol
I would have loved to see that. My boss' imitation includes a lot of hand-wringing and angst. I have told him that if I ever meet his mom Edith I'll embarrass myself laughing. He cracks me up.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 03:10 PM
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47. Jewish Atheist Here
I was raised jewish, Bar Mitzvah'd even went to confirmation! But now I'm an atheist. :shrug: I'm still Jewish though, aren't I?
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 06:58 PM
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49. Fifty-fifty...
Dad was Jewish, Mom was Japanese-American. They met in California, but had to leave the state to get married (pre-WWII; anti-miscegenation laws, don'cha know).

Funny thing is that since I'm Jewish patrilineally, I'm not strictly speaking Jewish, even though my last name is Halpern. If Dad had been the Nisei and Mom Jewish, I'd be more officially Jewish, but my last name would be Fujii!!

Meshuggah, neh?

:hi:
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Wonder_Cow Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 07:08 PM
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50. I'm Jewish
my rabbi kicked me out of sunday school.

Ive never felt realy been the same since.
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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 07:10 PM
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51. Agnostic Jew
Born Jewish, proud of my heritage.

Still practice a couple things for tradition, but not a real big believer.

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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 07:15 PM
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52. BTW
I don't think I look Jewish, but, who know/who cares.

Parents kept Kosher growing up... not Orthodox, but Conservative(as in the religion not the political dogma). Hebrew school for 5 years, and Bar Mitzvah'd.

My wife is not, but she respects both my Jewish heritage and my agnostic beliefs. Can't beat that.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 07:35 PM
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53. I think I'm part Jewish
I read something which said that Miller, which is my mother's maiden name, is the Jewish version of Mueller and my grandfather's ancestors came from Germany



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