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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 04:24 PM
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A message from the punctuation police: Lay versus Lie
Lay vs. Lie

"Lay" and "lie" are often confused--and always confusing.

"Lay" is a verb meaning to put or place something somewhere.It takes a direct object. Its principal parts are "lay," "laid," "laid," and "laying."

Examples: Every day I lay the book on the table. Yesterday I laid the book on the table. I have laid the book on the table many times.I am laying the book on the table right now.

In all these examples, the verb is a form of the word "lay," and the direct object is "book."

"Lie" is, in this context, a verb meaning to recline. It does not take an object. Its principal parts are "lie," "lay," "lain," and "lying."

Examples: Every night I lie down. I lay down last night. I have lain down many times. I am lying down right now.

If you're in doubt about whether to use "lay" or "lie," try substituting a form of the verb "place." If it makes sense, use a form of "lay."

Lie down on my bed, and I will lay myself next to you...

RL
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 04:25 PM
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1. ...and that's where it gets really crowded.
:hi:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 04:25 PM
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2. ...
:rofl:

Always room for one more...

RL
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:51 AM
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12. Pev
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:57 AM
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13. Thanks!
:thumbsup:

RL
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:40 PM
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3. Kick for great obscure grammar fun!
:woohoo: :bounce:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:42 PM
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4. I have never understood this. And please do not bust me
to the UC Berkeley Regents.

:rofl:
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:44 PM
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5. Sugar



....is the only word in the English language where the "su" sounds like "sh".

I'm sure of it.

Cheers
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:44 PM
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6. See George lie. Lie, lie, lie. George likes to lie.
No, Georgem no! You are supposed to lay, not lie!
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:57 PM
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7. You think that's confusing, do it in German (liegen/legen) with prepositions that switch-hit cases!
Edited on Tue Jun-12-07 11:00 PM by pagerbear
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 11:10 PM
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8. Thank you for that.
I've never known the difference (and was far too lazy to look it up).
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:02 AM
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21. And as the net police have mentioned
it's a grammar issue, NOT punctuation...

but I say it's okay because I was copycatting...

:hi:

RL
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 11:10 PM
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9. How does getting laid square into this?
:evilgrin:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:40 AM
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10. Getting laid squares into everything!
:9

RL
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:47 AM
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11. Sometimes a lie can help you get laid
you might pay for that lie, but at least you pay while kicking back smoking a cigarette

:rofl:

No, wait, we are DU Loungers. We are above such freeper behavior.
:hi:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:38 AM
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14. It's the past tense of lie that nabs me...
I can't quite bring myself to say "he lay down"; but "he lied down" doesn't sound right either. This verb needs prune juice.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:46 AM
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15. And what, pray tell, does the usage of the words "lay" and "lie" have to do with punctuation?
:P
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:00 AM
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17. Nothing at all, but the Grammar Police were busy
and I was copycatting... :P

RL
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:48 AM
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16. love ya RL... but if we're going to be picky....
I'm not sure that "punctuation" if the proper way to label this particular error. You might want to choose a different word.

:P
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:00 AM
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19. Ding, ding, ding
Only took 15 posts for someone to catch my Grammar vs. Punctuation faux-pas...

:hi:

RL
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:00 AM
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18. And why is punctuation involved in this?
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:01 AM
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20. yeah, it's not. see the previous 2 or 3 posts...
:hi:

RL
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:08 AM
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23. Ah. I missed those.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:03 AM
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22. I wasn't confused...
..until I read the last sentence!

Really, though, thank you for the reminder. This was one of my mother's pet peeves. When I would misuse the word, she'd say, "So you are going to lay an egg?"

:rofl:
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:20 PM
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24. As much as I love Bruce Springsteen...
...he is a repeat offender in the punctuation and grammar police files. Look at the lyrics to "My Hometown."

http://www.brucespringsteen.net/songs/MyHometown.html

"Last night me and Kate we laid in bed..."

Aargh! A double offense: misuse of "to lay" and failure to use the nominative case!



By the way, RetroLounge, even reporters get the lay/lie thing wrong. :grr:
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:22 PM
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25. Yup. That's one of my pet-peeves.
Though, I'm not sure why it's coming from the punctuation police. :shrug:
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:30 PM
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26. So, Snow Patrol is wrong?
Edited on Wed Jun-13-07 01:32 PM by Inchworm
Now I'm all confused. This was my guide :)

"If I lay here
If I just lay here
Would you lie with me and just forget the world?"

:shrug:

:hi:

Edit: A YouTube link to song because I dig it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxXwIIBlSgw
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:37 PM
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27. An old journalism prof of mine always concluded hisi rant on this with.....
..."so you lay your girlfriend, and you lie to your wife."
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:23 PM
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28. ...
:rofl:

RL
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