She used to be so gorgeous.

oy vay x(

it just doesn't look right, to me.

if it is true, it has happened in an extremely short time, which is one reason i question it. and the face seems to be sort of pasted on.

if anyone knows how she looks, it's madonna.

but it is so chic to put down the chic. :shrug:

I see the red Kabbalah string. That's not...is it?

I think she's really still pretty.
but I don't understand what she did to her body.:-(

It's called "aging". We all go through it.

just VERY skinny.

But if she gained 200lbs, people would be ragging on her about that.

everyone would be laughing at her ...

she is thin but if she was neglecting her health I don't think she would have muscle tone..

just looks like someone who spends a lot of time at the gym.

yeah, but at 48
your arms shouldn't look like they belong to a 75 year old.

I have nothing against aging, I am VERY VERY OLD.

She overdid her workout -- that's all I'm saying.

however I have no confirmation of that.

so too!
For a short period of time (of course, waaayyyy before she became famous) she lived on the same block as my brother's pharmacy. So, he knew her birthdate, which at that time was "1956".
Now her BD is 1959.

And the more I thought about it, that's probably right

Her children are pretty young.

I remember being aware of her age, as it's close to mine, and suddenly noticing that she seemed to have dropped a couple of years.

now, she's 4 years younger than me.
Hmmm...

she's going to be in worse shap than Madonna at 50.

I was thinking the same thing.

I think a lot of her photos in the past may have been airbrushed and photoshopped to eliminate the "unsightly" evidence of aging.

Especially given her age and schedule - and I'm no fan of Madonna. Not by a longshot.

you'd be surprised.

i've seen tweakers who still have all their teeth!

she seems just fine to me.

she's english now, right?

just another in a long line of people who feel the need to fuck-up a beautiful exterior because they feel the need to push the envelope.

I saw nothing in her when she was younger. But as she aged into her 40's, I thought she was one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen.

And now...this.

:hi:

I know that she isn't a naturally "skinny" person, just a petite woman. So, when someone like her who usually looks healthy and in shape suddenly looks kinda "stringy," it's usually a red flag. It's not an age thing at all.

"stringy".

I've extremely toned , for an old hag (been working out for years) -
If my arms looked like that, I'de be very concerned.

And she's petite like Madonna and is in great shape from hiking, landscaping, etc. To quote my nephew, "Granny has some guns!" But, she doesn't look stringy.

Compare Madonna's arms to a female boxer's, who is just as ripped:

I'm not as old as your mom! :spank:

j/k -- but i'm not!

:)

she is still far better looking than most people her age.

and she is in amazing shape.

fight too hard against the natural aging process.

This is just speaking to my tastes, so I hope no one takes offense...but I'd rather see a woman with a few wrinkles, a little fat, some imperfections...than someone who has all the money in the world "personal trainer" herself to death.

But that's just me.

I think "natural" is as good as it gets.

Now don't get me wrong...I don't have anything against keeping fit, working out, etc. I just think it can be taken to an extreme where it actually hampers your natural beauty.

Fit is good, artificial isn't.

I honestly don't get people -- male or female -- who think women look great when they're skin and bones, implanted to hell*, and so botoxed they can't even smile. Ugh.



*I am NOT slagging all women who have implants. But, you know the implants I mean: so fake and/or badly done they are cartoonish instead of sexy.

and I'm not sure if I can express this properly...

I feel that if a person is concentrating THAT hard on their own body, then they can't be concentrating on much else.

Know what I mean? Beauty is mostly in the mind...

my understanding is that, yes, madonna works out 3 hours a day

it's part of her job to train

i don't think you can argue that a person has nothing upstairs because they spend a whole 3 hours a day on their job! or all of us except the permanently unemployed would be morons this time of century

:hi:

She's cute and has a nice, healthy body -- she just annoys the hell out of me.

:hide:

You know you'd LOVE to hear her shrieking,"Oh Sta-bucks Anarchist! You're so yummo! Don't stop, please!"

this thread is truly ridiculous

I hope she never goes on the starvation plan.

We need a little body fat for healthy-looking skin.

Yuck. She's got guy arms.

It really does look like it, doesn't it?

And looks great for her age. At least she hasn't tried to tuck and pull all her skin back the way so many celebrities do. I never liked her music but I've always liked and respected her and her longevity in show business. 20 years from now you'll still hear about Maddona but it will be, Britney who?, Paris Who?, what the f*** is a "JayLo"

but everyone ages differently. She is aging. :shrug:

her arms don't look healthy. They almost contradict everything else about her (did i say that right?).

I still do think she's beautiful, though.

must have been photoshopped or whatever they call it. No way!

Doesn't look bad to me.

:shrug:

Honestly, I never cared much for her even when she was young - her looks were too sharp and hard for my taste.

But making fun of people for getting older is just ugly - and it WILL happen to you, SOON.

I realize Madonna diets and exercises more than she probably ought to, she has a Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2 thing going on with her arms, but at least she tries to stay in shape...

I am not making fun of Madonna.

And as far as: " and it WILL happen to you, SOON"-
I'm already old,
so making fun of people getting older
is not what I do.

I'm just not liking the stringy look of her arms.

If I was to make fun of Madonna it woud be about:

Her fake-ass British accent
Her pretensions of being a spiritual guru of some sort
Her slightly scary childrearing ideas
Her constant reinventions and vocal practice, but she has still yet to really deliver a performance that connects on a visceral, human level

I've got too much flab to be making fun of other people's bods...

Her fake-ass British accent. :thumbsup:

Is she battling anorexia or something?

which in turn makes her look too skinny.

We all do it, dude.

NOT a dude.

I love her handbag....

dragging on the sidewalk.

about 3/4 of an inch and they'd be perfect for those shoes. I have a pair of jeans like that, trouser style and i swear they are the most flattering pants on almost any body type.

several months back. They said never wear pencil thin type pants or ones that taper tight toward the ankle. A wider pant leg especially from the knee down is most flattering on almost all women.
I like her pants. I stopped wearing tight pants a long time ago. Trouser style pants look good and they're comfortable.

big feet--9 1/2 so because they are longer my feet don't look as huge.

I'll tell you, seeing tight pants, where they're tight all over, I can't figure how people can stand wearing them. Madonna looks very comfortable and stylish in this outfit, doesn't she?

A guy I used to work with who was impeccable in his dress always said pants should be to the top of the shoe, with a slight break of the pants in front (like a half inch leaning on the shoe) and the back of the pant leg shoe go to the top of the heel of the shoe. The guy always looked perfectly tailored.

they look like they were made for you. i've lost about 80 pounds in the past 2 years and because i used a treadmill my body shape is different and it's taken me awhile to figure out what shapes work best for my body and trouser jeans have been one of my best finds.

You're chopping your leg off mid-calf, so to speak.

If you're really thin and have legs like Elle McPherson, you can probably pull off capris. Of course, Elle could wear a sackcloth and look good. Most women should stay away from capris though. That chop-off comment is very true.

I'm 5'2".

My tall friends wear them all summer. I think they too look nasty in them.

A bit shorter would be better though.

I like the whole white/off white/beige monochromatic look.

So actually, she just looks like she is getting older to me. :shrug:

:shrug:

She looks to be in pretty good shape, to me!

My mom used to always say :

"Youth is Beauty".

So true.

now she looks like a middle aged woman who needs to put on a few pounds.

;)

But beauty is in the eye of the beholder anyway.

For the record, gorgeous to me is Catherine Zeta-Jones, Salma Hayak and Elizabeth Edwards.

Angelina Jolie
and
Michelle Pfeiiffer

some pounds to "keep your face." I think older women just look a little better with some extra padding.

Then again, I'm Madonna's age and just lost 41 lbs. I don't look as thin as she does, but I do have some skin sagging issues. It's just what happens as we age.

Both of them: So beautiful!

And, all of your gorgeous women are gorgeous -- I'd also include Kate Winslet and Ashley Judd.

:rofl:

Her muscle tone is wonderful but too lean.
At one time (30 years ago) I was doing weight training and (briefly) thought about going into competition.

perception of beauty changes somewhat as I grow older.
Tend to be think women about my age are just more attactive.
Perhaps it is the thought that a really younger women could be the daughter of someone my age or younger--and that just would not be right.

when a woman can just exist, without every part of her having to go under the public microscope.

I can't even imagine what it is in our culture that makes it seem normal to pull up a photo of a woman we don't know - or even one that we do - so that we can check out if the skin on their elbows is too tight or too loose (?), if their veins are too visible, and then start pulling up photos of other women's bodies so we can figure out if their breasts are too big or too small ...

It reminds me of the way animals are judged at the county fair. If it weren't a static photo, I'd half expect someone here to walk up to her, pry her mouth open, and examine her teeth.

You can examine the superficial aspects of someone without pretending to judge their whole worth as a person in the process. It's best to just acknowledge that superficial appearance is constantly evaluated in all people by all people all the time. No one should use judgment of appearance to judge the whole person, but there's nothing wrong with habing an opinion on someone's appearance in isolation.

"It's best to just acknowledge that superficial appearance is constantly evaluated in all people by all people all the time."

Nor do I see it being constantly evaluated in ALL people all the time. I see certain groups are MORE subject to it, and I see it as the cause of much prejudice and bigotry in our culture.

I think it's easier not to be self-critical. But I wouldn't use the word best.

You can't hold yourself responsible for the concepts other people have of right and wrong--you'll be miserable all the time. Try to educate them if you want on why you think they are misguided, but don't bully them if you can help it.

are smart enough to recognize the difference between legitimate criticism and "bullying."

Also, I trust DUers to understand that when a person speaks out against a message that feeds a system of oppressing and demeaning women, they're speaking out against a system, not because they are "getting me (personally) down."

If I speak out against the war, it's not because the war is "getting me down," you know?

How dare she allow any imperfections on her body? What a joke this place can be - one minute, we're all up in arms because people are so superficial that they judge others by the way they look and the next minute, we're all jumping to criticise Madonna's looks based on a couple of photos carefully chosen to highlight particular features.

But of course no one here has ever had a bad photo taken of them or has any physical imperfections. :eyes:

And I don't even really care for Madonna....

i'm no fan of her talent-free performances but the lady is STILL gorgeous from a physical point of view

you're going to get some veins at that age, i actually think if she was heavier and not so muscular that she would be at a greater risk for varicose veins, at least in the legs

you can't win for losing, i guess the only way to get any credit for being a fit attractive older woman is to off yourself around age 42

most women over 40 try to make a habit of posing with their hands up when they're photographed, now you know why, but try doing that when you're celebrity, you just CAN'T walk around with your hands lifted to your shoulder level 24/7 for fear of some asshat snapping a photo

With that defined but stringy muscle mass, she'd be better off as far as appearance goes with bodyfat north of 10%, which is where women's bodies naturally gravitate anyway. If she's happy with how she looks, great, but that doesn't mean I have to pretend to like it. :)

as far as her VEINS, that is not caused by her BMI, fat women of that age also have veins, it's just that people don't usually bother to photograph fat women of nearly 50, i guess we already know that they have veins

i think you have a very unrealistic idea of a fit older woman's body (or an unfit one) for that matter looks like if you think that is stringy

that is not "stringy," nor is it under madonna's control, as another poster said, it's pretty much genetic when the veins start showing

as i pointed out, most women her age elevate their hands when being photographed so the veins will lie flat, for this very reason, it's just something that happens to women with time no matter their condition, indeed, fat women often experience MORE trouble esp. with leg veins

Shit, I wouldn't mind looking like her now! She is aging a lot more gracefully than many of her contemporaries.


*interesting note - she is my ex-SIL's second cousin!

I never did like much of her music, but I do still find her attractive. It's just a different make/model of what cave people are accustomed to.

to each her own.

:hi:

where's her burka!?

Not even when they're on a twenty year old dude. If you have stringy, defined muscles, having bodyfat above 10% will keep you from resembling a meth refugee. Don't you think she looks like Iggy Pop with breasts in this shot? :D

You are an asshat tonight!

See Dennis Leary!!! He'll set you straight!!

:D

But I don't see what's so wrong about thinking Madonna isn't looking too attractive.

LMAO! :rofl:

Funny visual but I'm not laughing because of the rest of us.

Actually, women are in the majority of active voters.

Men are lazy, according to voter statistics!

and what does that have to do with this thread? :shrug: I really don't get your meaning here.

Mangia! Mangia!

you haven't seen a celeb for awhile and then you are surprised at how they have aged. There is an actress named Carol Lynley that was fairly big in the 60's and 70's.



Then I saw a recent picture of her and was surprised.



We all can have things that age us in our lives. Time, sickness, drugs, etc. I'm sure there are people we haven't seen in years who would do a double take if they saw us now.

:loveya:

So true!! I may look way different now... but I'm still a liberal! ;)

Madonna seems to be ignoring what those bulging veins mean...
her extremities are begging for O2.

Sad. Madonna has looked better in her life.

that makes her frightening.

I never thought she was "gorgeous," though. Always seemed kinda trashy to me--I can't forget the "Borderline" outfit.

She's said so during interviews for her book "Sex". (Rosie O'Donnell being apparently the only exception at the time).

IMO it's one thing to work out even every day but 3 hours a day is excessive to the point of being obsessive compulsive if you're not a professional athlete.