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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:19 PM
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Is indentured servitude legal?
I'm asking for a reason.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:25 PM
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1. No, it isn't. It was banned along with slavery by the
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 01:28 PM by rateyes
13th amendment to the Constitution.

On edit: Why do you ask?
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:34 PM
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4. I ask because...
It seems to me that the inescapability of student loans makes them general indistinguishable from classic indentured servitude.


Feels that way, that's for damn sure.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:43 PM
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7. Except that education is a choice
And eating is a necessity.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:52 PM
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9. Well, that's true....
but, sorry to say, that doesn't count. Sux, I know.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:55 PM
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10. But why doesn't it?
I mean, in the good ol' days, people would fund their journey across the sea by entering into indentured servitude for their patrons.

It seems to me that, except in terms of the actual work performed and the labels applied to it, the nature of student loans and their power to enforce repayment aren't greatly distinct from indentured servitude.


I'm not greatly serious about this question, but for various reasons I'm feeling a trifle bitter about these matters, so...
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:27 PM
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2. No, but that does not mean that one cannot be assessed...
...monetary damage for breaking a service contract.
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:31 PM
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3. no
why do you ask?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:34 PM
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5. Conscription seems to be alive and well!!
Just ask any stop lossed soldier!
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:37 PM
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6. Yup. It's called an enlistment contract. n/t
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:48 PM
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8. More like a 'breach of faith' and it's BS!!
A 15-month enlistment? Check Army's fine print
By DeWayne Wickham

Posted 5/16/2005 8:30 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/wickham/2005-05-16-wickham_x.htm

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Appeals court acts


Now if that isn't enough of a rude awakening, a ruling by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals might make the Army's latest recruitment offer look even less inviting. A three-judge panel ruled Friday that the Army can use its stop-loss authority to keep people in the service even beyond their full eight-year military obligation.

"We do not minimize the disruption, hardship and risk that extension of his enlistment is causing," the appeals court said of Sgt. Emiliano Santiago, an Oregon Army National Guardsman who sued to keep from being forced to stay on active duty beyond the eight-year period. "For the reasons we have set forth, however, we conclude that the application of the stop-loss order did not breach his enlistment contract."

Other soldiers have mounted legal challenges to the stop-loss policy, but it's not likely that they will prevail where Santiago failed. In times of national emergency — and the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan qualifies as that — the nation's all-volunteer Army has the power to involuntarily extend the time soldiers have to spend on active duty.

But such a practice, while not illegal, is a serious breach of faith. It is also compelling evidence of the need for this nation to return to a military conscription, which would give the Army a steady flow of inductees to fill its ranks. By offering new recruits a 15-month tour of duty, the Army has effectively gutted its own argument against a draft that the longer enlistments of the all-volunteer force are needed to produce better trained soldiers.

The 15-month enlistment is an act of desperation.


How much you want to bet that the three-judge panel are bushies??
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