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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:52 AM
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If someone you cared about died and a considerable length of time has passed,
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 11:53 AM by LaraMN
how have your thoughts about them changed?

My aunt died several years ago, and when I used to think about her, I immediately felt sad- felt a sense of loss.

Now, when I think about her, I don't feel a loss anymore; rather, I feel happy in remembering what she was like. She was a very large, bubbly woman, and she was like a child. Every year at Christmas, she would dress up in a giant elf suit and skip around.

Maybe I'm used to her absence so I've reverted to the memories of her, not of her passing.

It's nice, anyway. She'd love that I think of her and chuckle. I suspect it is different when you lose someone very close to you, rather than someone who is more peripheral to your daily life.


:-)
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:54 AM
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1. probably not so different
there are different stages of grief, and I imagine that the length of time a person endures each stage depends upon how severe the sense of loss.
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:55 AM
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2. I would guess that is very true.
I've been fortunate to not lose any members of my immediate family. I can only guess what that is like. I dread the day I possess that kind of knowledge.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:03 PM
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4. my aunt, 91 had a pace maker put in yesterday
I'm somewhat close to her, but not very close to her. We (my son and I) went to visit her last night. She doesn't have any children, so my mother is pretty much her primary care-giver. My mother's not a young woman anymore and the stress of caring her Aunt Rita is starting to take its toll. We're all trying to kick in and help.

It really bothered my son to see Aunt Rita like that. He remembers her "playing hockey" w/ her in the driveway back when he was 5 or 6. Seeing her this old, and thin, and in the hospital got him to thinking about all the people in his life who will, eventually, get old.

I think of my mom and dad. I remember getting the phone calls when the grandparents died. The one that comes when one of my parents goes is more than I can think about. (Thank goodness everyone is still pretty healthy at this stage of the game!)

Mortality is really hard for us to grasp when we're young... especially the mortality of people who will be, in our hearts and minds, forever young.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:58 PM
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18. it's one of the hardest things to deal with
but I think it also makes you really consider not only the inevitability of death in a more healthy and honest way, but also the appreciation of life.

I feel the same way about my mom. I miss her all the time, and still get sad sometimes, but I have gotten to the point where I can cherish her memory and be thankful for the things she taught me and for how she raised me (good and bad).
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:57 AM
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3. I still get that sick feeling
and it's been 5 years this month since I lost my beautiful daughter. I still am unable to talk about it without crying. It sucks...nothing could possibly be worse.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:06 PM
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5. Hugs for you....
:hug: :hug: :hug: I cannot imagine what that pain is like.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:10 PM
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7. Thank you
That was sweet of you.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:07 PM
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6. hugs
:hug:

I pray I never, ever, have to know that feeling.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:10 PM
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9. I pray you won't as well
No one should...thank you
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:11 PM
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10. That's so painful to even think about.
Do you know of Compassionate Friends, the support group for parents in your situation?

:hug:
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:38 PM
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11. No, I did not
Where do I connect with them....are they online or what?
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:50 PM
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28. Here is the website.
www.compassionatefriends.org/

There is a chapter locator on the left side of the main page.

Sorry for the time delay.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:40 PM
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12. I can't even begin to imagine your pain. You are such a good person.
Reaching out to OMC like you did while you were dealing with your own sorrow was amazing. And very humbling to me.

:hug:
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:41 PM
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14. Thank you
You are a sweetheart as well...did you get my pm?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:42 PM
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15. I did. Thanks.
I left a message yesterday. Hopefully, I'll hear back soon. Things are totally crazy here with the painters still unfinished and crap everywhere.

For the better part of last night, I couldn't find a phone to use. :rofl:
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:47 PM
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17. not having a phone?
now that can be a good thing sometimes. I'll tell ya, you had me damn near falling off my chair the other day when you mentioned the teacher called your child by a different name for the whole year!!! :rofl:
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 01:00 PM
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20. LOL. Teacher, thy name is clueless.
It was pretty funny. Her first grade teacher and I are friends and she and I still laugh about that year. :rofl:
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:41 PM
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13. I can't even begin to imagine.
I don't know how you move on from a loss like that.


:-(

:hug:
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:44 PM
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16. Thank you
baby steps, let me tell ya. I am not a religious person but I am spiritual and that is what gets me through.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:01 PM
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35. I'm so, so very sorry Highway61
Words are never adequate in this situation, I know. I'm so, so very sorry beyond what words could express for the loss of your daughter:hug::hug: My deepest, most profound and sincerest thoughts, prayers, condolences and sympathies go out to you and your family. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:20 PM
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38. Oh my....
I'm sorry I missed your reply... :cry:

What can I say? Nothing but I can give you a :hug:
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:10 PM
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8. I still have warm feelings about all my grandparents
My grandfather on my dad's side was the last to pass back in early 2006. After the funeral, we went back to his house (the house he literally built himself) and we popped in a video of him and my grandmother's 50th Anniversary, which was back in 1992. It was great seeing the video of him, my grandmother, and my other grandmother, all very much active as we remembered them growing up.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:58 PM
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19. It's only been three years since mom passed. Sometimes I remember with a smile on my face but
many times I still tear up.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 01:01 PM
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21. Five years for me.
And, I still find myself thinking 'after I do such and such, I'll call Mom'. :cry:

We were so very close, it still hurts sometimes. :hug: to you.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 01:25 PM
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26. Yah, that's it exactly *hugs back*
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 01:15 PM
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24. It's been 15 months since mom passed away,
it's about half and half now. I still get the urge to give her a phone call,also.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 01:25 PM
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27. Yeah, maybe that never quite goes away? *hugs*
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:43 PM
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39. I know how you feel
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 03:45 PM by socialdemocrat1981
I would always be the one who would keep Mum updated about the political news -if something happened, I would often phone her at work or rush into the room to tell her. Whenever something happens in the world of politics, I find myself instinctively wanting to go and tell Mum about it

:hug: :hug: :hug:

BTW, I cannot thank you enough for sharing that poem that your mother left you -"Remember Me", I was so touched by it that I went and looked it up on the Net and found several versions of it. I read one of the versions at my mother's funeral. I probably never would have found it if not for you and your mother -for that I am eternally grateful
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:47 PM
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40. Same here.
It's almost exactly three years now, and she was elderly and in poor health so it wasn't a big surprise when she died, but a lot of times I still get all sniffly when I think about her. Still miss her a lot.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 01:04 PM
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22. No, not at all.
In a sense, it means that you have incorporated the loss and can now remember her the way you experienced her for most of your life.

I've taken a lot of hits over the years: family, jobs, marriage, .... when you can start remembering the joy they brought you again more than whatever ended their lives, that means you can go on and create new memories.

:-)
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 01:07 PM
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23. I think it depends
close young family members - it's sad because they didn't get to live their life.

Older family members who got to live a long full life - like grandparents- you miss them, but you can remember the fun.

I still miss my maternal grandmother 25 years later, but I can think of all the fun stuff we did together.

Well, except for watching the 68 Republican convention while she cooked beef hearts. :wtf: :rofl:

Seems rather symbolic at a distance....
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 01:16 PM
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25. Your thoughts about her haven't changed.
It's just that the sadness has had a chance to move behind the good memories you hold.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:55 PM
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29. Yes
it takes a long time, but now I remember my departed friends and family with a warm feeling, instead of grief.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:48 AM
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30. My life ended the day his did.
I wish it were different, but it's not. He was a big part of who I was. It's like being a walking dead woman. It's dreams dead. It's hating watching the leaves that grew while he was still alive fall from the trees. It's realizing this is the longest I have ever been apart from him. It's not wanting to go on, but having to, because of the children. It's people telling you that it doesn't get better it gets different...and realizing you don't want different-you just want, no you just need him.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:02 PM
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32. ((((((((((((( MrsGrumpy)))))))))))))))))
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:02 PM
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33. ...
:hug:

RL
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:04 PM
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36. I'm just so, so sorry Laura
:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

I keep you and your family in my thoughts and prayers frequently and will continue to do so.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:59 AM
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31. I love my parents even more now...
What I didn't see then and what I see now ...

... is LOVE.

:cry:

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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:58 PM
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34. Different circumstances for different people
My grandfather passed away twelve years ago when I was fourteen. I was very close to him and remember all the good times we shared together -the Christmases, the birthdays and the holidays and his love and kindness toward me and all his other grandchildren. I still feel his loss immensely and regret the fact that, despite all the time I spent with him, I never got to know him as well as I would have liked.

My uncle passed away almost a decade ago. He was a deeply troubled man in many ways and I was nervous around him through much of my life -he was very well-meaning and he loved us dearly but I think his own personal issues related to how he dealt with other people. As a consequence, for the first few years after his passing, I regretted that I had never appreciated him as much as I should. But now I mainly look back and remember the good times I had with him and I've been able to put aside much of my guilt and sadness about him

My grandmother passed away two years ago and ,for the first few months or so I felt immense guilt and sadness over her passing, because -due to the fact that she lived in another country -I had not seen her for over a year before she died. But much of the guilt and even sadness has gone now because I remind myself of the many good times that we shared together and the many happy memories I have of my time with her. I am also grateful because she did live to within six months of her 100th birthday and that allowed me enough time with her as an adult to get to know more about her and the life she had led and her thoughts and views on various subjects. I now tend to remember the good times

My mother passed away six months ago. I am not at a place now where I can be at peace with the fact that she's gone or make sense of the fact she's gone. Even though I was fortunate in that I got a lot of peace and closure from the final weeks of her life (and hopefully she did too), I am still overwhelmed from time to time by feelings of grief, sadness, confusion and guilt. If anything, my grief and sense of pain and loss have intensified over the past few months.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:06 PM
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37. That's all normal...
it never goes away. It just doesn't burn as much over time.

:hug:
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