Look how thin this "ideal" woman is...

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Concentration camp sickening...

Women and girls, do not do this to yourselves~!

Who is it? :wow: :wow:

she looks like a european woman!

American to me.

LOL, just kidding. Had to have some fun.

thats just unhealthy. no one should be that thin.

-LK

The US has such an unhealthy image of women. I feel and fear for girls growing up in that culture.

be for short, small adult females.

i know cause i happen to be one.

i resent your Ideal--
i am not Tall or even of average height for a female,
i am 5' tall.

i feel so much better after having visited this thread. finally someone had the guts to tell me what a horror i am.

You on the other hand, would be just about your ideal weight, I'm guessing.

but no-way is she a size 2.

the original poster made a "gross" generalization about women who wear a size 2. i resent the generalization.

i eat well, exercise- i am tone but do not look emaciated-

but yet, i am made to feel like a freak.

"pre-pubescent" huh, i am 32yrs old.

5'1" here! And Size 2 as well! OK, are you sure we're not related? :P

Buddhamama, you're perfect to me! :pals:

we might not be related biologically but we're connected.

right back at ya' hon,
you're perfect and don't ever change.
thanks :pals:

..was 88 pounds when we were first married. She's up to a whopping 92 lbs now and wears a size "0". She exercises daily and makes it a point ot consume at least 2200 calories a day. She's always been thin but I never have considered it unhealthy....she's very healthy!

Yours is a tall, tall soul. :hug:

Ok, she's too skinny (dude, look at her arm . . . that's not right), so girls don't do that, but also keep in mind that it is ok to dress in lingerie and play football.

Even GOPisEvil said he'd play in a thong!!!

She can play buck naked for all I care.

Ever see a European equivalent to Newsweek or Time? Several pagers of nudity, including US movie stars who couldn't get by w/it in puritanical US of A.

Physiologically speaking, the body needs food for survival. Starving yourself is NOT healthy, yet this is the message girls are getting from our culture.

that's a hockey helmet in her hand, not a football helmet. Most people wouldn't notice that though since the helmet is not the center of attention.

:eyes:

hearing about how these women are doing health-wise when they get beyond menopause, if they last that long.

The Karen Carpenter look is definitely US chic.

Looks like she forgot to put her dress on before she went out. I once had lunch with Lara Flynn Boyle at the Bevery Hills Hotel's Polo Lounge, where she apparently "dined" quite often. I was interviewing her for a magazine. She ordered her "favorite" meal, this waffles-and-sausage thing drenched in syrup, etc. She kept saying over and over how much she "loved" this dish. I ordered the same thing---and it WAS delicious. The interview went on for an hour and then it was over---time to leave--- and I looked down at her plate and realized that she'd been pushing the food around for a friggin' hour, and had, at best, consummed two bites.

Scary. Terrifying, really. And sad.

Does anyone think that it's a good idea, to be THAT thin?
The Professor

Nothing to say but insisting on saying it anyway?
The Professor

of people slamming this beautiful woman.

I never said anything about the first picture. I was talking about the later post which had the anorectic actress.

And being tired of hearing other people's opinions makes you a contrarian adding nothing to the discussion, it would seem you would be best to avoid internet forums. That would be the sensible thing to do, no?
The Professor

You voiced your opinion. I voiced mine.

First, you're being so obstinate that you never even answered my question. I don't even think we're talking about the same woman. Yet, you insist you're right and i'm wrong. Right or wrong about what?

Secondly, if other people's opinions get you to the point that you get tired and angry of differing views, i think you DO need to quit going to internet forums. If you can't handle the fact that others don't agree with you, without getting angry and posting contrary views, devoid of content, internet forums are really, really, really, not the place for you.

And this time, it's not a question. It's a recommendation. And, btw, i'm out. You're boring me.
The Professor

I'm not sure though, it might just be the way her muscles are contracted that makes it look bad.

Matter of personal preference perhaps?

You can practically see her breast! I hope Michael Powell will investigate this.

and may well be a very healthy individual.

I don't see the automatic assumption that a thin woman is unhealthy or suffers an eating disorder, - nor even a fair amount of abusive condmenation, - as being substantially different than condemning the overweight for not meeting your individual ideals.

People are different. People are tall and short, thin and plump, pale and dark and different from one another. All of it can be beautiful, and non of it deserves anyone's abuse in the thought-free autopilot mode.

I don't want my two daughters thinking that THAT is the only thing that passes for beautiful, and I'm afraid that is the message such things send.

And most people would think so. That's why she's the model and not some 250 pound heifer.

It's the message that's inferred.

There are many examples of beautiful women in the world of every shape and every colour. Not just in the past, but in the present as well.

Teaching your daughters that its acceptible to condemn people for being too thin doesn't help them build character or self-esteem. It helps them build bigotry. If you're worried about their self-image, send them better messages than the media and society does about what you value in them and why. Model good behaviour, praise the looks, intelligence and character of many diverse individuals and let them grow up knowing in their hearts that they can be valuable at any size.

who will take your message to heart.

Although I agree with you, now that i think about it.

...masculine chick. Certainly not my cuppa tea.

On edit: I am helpless and had to fix a typo.

some women are naturally thin.

On the other hand, a woman I know had such bad bulemia that when she thinks about throwing up she throws up.

On another hand, a societies view of women is largely a function of economics. When most work was outdoor labor, it was sexy to be thin, frail, sickly and pale. In the 1890's women carried parasols so they wouldn't be tanned and end up looking like the help. In the depression, women who looked like they had a meal recently were considered attractive. In the 60's Twiggy was a big deal because she didn't look like she was overindulging in Middle Class habits.

Now if you have leisure time then you are muscular and tanned so that is the ideal. If Bush gets another term then we will probably like really big women in 2008 because it would remind us of what food was like in the good old days.

Of course, women continue to be obsessed with fat, hairy backed guys. Like Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Ashton Kutcher and other men that look like all the guys you work with.

You know, I may just be in a grumpy mood but when I see someone go gaga over Justin Timberlake, I don't throw up my dinner and dye my hair blonde. If I did then I certainly wouldn't blame Justin Timberlake.

We live in a democracy. Women are the majority in that democracy. Most of the pictures we see of super thin women are on Women's magazines. If you don't like that as the archetype then stop buying "Cosmo". If you want women elected then elect them. Most men I know like women of all shapes and sizes. In fact most men actually care more about personality.

Of course, the thing we care most about a woman is whether they like us.

Pyshciatrists said that some christian sects see sex and sexuality as abad sinful thing esp for women any way they figured that the women they were studying that denial and being of ashamed of their own sexualty led or helped their mental illness because they didnt want curvy hips or breasts

this very subject (Christianity and Female Body Image) and there is a strong association between Christian spirituality and denial of the flesh (sex and eating)in women. It's very complicated, but there are a number of books written on it as well. One of them is called "Holy Anorexia" - forgot who the author was - but it was very interesting.

Obviously, not all x-tian women are anorexic, but it does play a part in the psyche of many eating disordered females.

Of course, the thing we care most about a woman is whether they like us

First and formost.

I wouldn't schtup her with somebody else's erection! :puke:

camp pictures during WW2. You will see a lot of people that thin. Same thing with a lot of movie stars and TV stars. This is sad.

And my post said women and girls do not do this to yourselves. This is sickening.

How many of you would join along in registering your disgust? How many of you would make fun of that fat woman?

I have seen many threads on DU turn into flame wars because someone made a negative comment about fat people. I can't believe so many people on this thread find it okay to show contempt for a thin person.

I know there are some overweight people on this thread. How would you feel if this thread was making fun of fat women?

I don't think it's a good idea to be fat, but I also don't think it's a good idea to be thin to the point of emaciation either. Me, I'm a slightly rounded 5'5.5" and 145 lbs -- I eat nutritious food, exercise, and lift weights. I'd much rather be a well-proportioned size 14 than wear a size 6 (which, on my frame would be too thin) and look like I just spent the summer at the Auschwitz-Birkenau Health Spa, thanks.

I don't think that woman in the parent post is obscenely skinny (ever see that pic of Callista Flockhart with all her vertebrae sticking out of her back?) but she's not really my type, either. :)

or too thin either. But if I posted a thread making fun of someone with an overweight problem it wouldn't go over too well. It is acceptable to make fun of skinny women.

Others think it is an example of unrealistic and unhealthy societal expectations of how female "beauty" is defined.

In the US, women get breast enhancements. In Brazil, women get breast reductions.....cultural relativity. Some people think beauty is a dark tan, others not. We know there are inherent risks with overexposure to the sun, yet, like being incredibly grassile, some people would rather benefit from the prevailing attitudes toward beauty at a given time and risk paying the price with a preventable sickness later.

In my opinion, today's American definition of "beauty" is unhealthy, to an alarming degree, for women, and girls.

Are men under such a cultural pressure to conform to a "look" that is ultimately unhealthy for them?

All of us have to look like Brad Pitt so if we're thin we can eat like a horse to satisfy women and get diabetes, thanks. :(

for men is on the rise. There are more commercials and mens magazines pushing a physical ideal than there used to be. Men are starting to feel the pressure more and more that women have been feeling for years. Not that it makes it right. It's too bad the emphasis is too much on looks in our society, and Madison Ave exploits that to sell products. It's pure evil.

She just asked the question. I thought she deserved an answer. People are different. We should just let them be who they are.

We aren't bombarded by images of overweight women and told that this is the ideal. It isn't so much the objection of being thin that's being responded to, it is the fact that extremely thin women, the majority of whom aren't naturally that way, are pushed on us as the ideal. Some women can attain that look naturally and in a healthy way because of their genes. But, most can't. And their struggle to do so is largely because of images like the one in the post of the woman on the red carpet. The woman in the OP's post doesn't look so bad, IMO, but the one further down in the thread isn't just naturally thin. She more than likely starves herself to attain that look.

There is nothing wrong with being thin, and in shape. It's a healthy goal to attain. Starving yourself to get thinner than what is natural is not. I do agree that it is never nice to make nasty comments about anyone's weight, but the push to be ultra-thin is damaging.

when in post 75 you get upset at someone making fun of heavier women. If you really believe it is not okay to make fun of this woman then we are having an unnecessary discussion.

I never said it is okay to make fun of anyone. Find where I said that.

My point was the reason why people would get upset at posting a fat person and making fun of it is because, in our society, being fat is equated with being lazy, stupid and just plain bad. I've seen commercials where the skinny person is the smart and successful one and the fat person is the slovenly idiot. Shows like "my big fat obnoxious fiance" really make heavier people feel good about themselves, don't they?

I'm naturally a very skinny person. I've been picked on for that. And I can tell you, there is a HUGE difference between the way I've been treated in life and the way my heavier family and friends have.

I have a few extra pounds because I just had a baby and had health problems that go with it. I notice the difference in how I'm treated. When I'm thin, I'm treated nicer by the saleswomen at the department stores. I'm treated better by waitpersons. I don't get a second glance if I order dessert or a regular coke. I get the door held open for me more often.

I'm sorry, but while I'll never make fun of a skinny person, when people are pointing out how images of very skinny women are damaging, I'm never going to cry "They're picking on skinny people. Wah! I'm skinny too!"

But you do feel it is okay because fat people are picked on more. This thread was not pointing out how images of skinny women are damaging. It is calling this woman sickening.

I am naturally thin also but I don't feel the need to make myself feel better by making fun of fat people.

It isn't okay when anyone does it. My point is the reason why people are more upset when it is done to a fat person is because our society says fat=bad, thin=good. Fat people are disrespected and discriminated against far more than skinny people.

You insinuated it when you pointed out that I responded to someone calling fat people beasts. That really wasn't fair. It would have been just as bad if I had criticized you for not rushing right down there and doing the same thing, and saying that means you're okay with making fun of fat people.

fun of fat people. I should not have used the term "beast" to refer to a generic fat person--that was wrong. It just bothered me that you and others on here think it's ok to post a picture of a slender woman and ridicule her.

I'm a thin guy and I may be labeled "concentration camp skinny". :(
Noone should be treated badly because of their weight. It's stupid.

I NEVER said that it's okay to post a picture of slender women and ridicule them! That is not, nor ever was my point. And, even though you've apologized for it, calling fat people beasts IS making fun of them.

then why are we having this discussion. It is not okay to make fun of fat or thin people. That is all I am saying.

I am black. I don't teach my children that it is okay to make fun of white people because they have most of the power. When my child came home using negative words for white people she had learn in school, I reacted to that the same way I did when she came home saying negative things about "ghetto black people".

My children are both girls. I don't teach them that it is okay to make fun of males because they hold most of the power.

They are both thin girls. When my oldest was being made fun of because she was too thin it hurt just as much as when her best friend was being made fun of because she is overweight.

Overweight people have it rough in this country. I guess we will level the playing field by making thin people feel ashamed of their weight also. No wonder this country is so messed up.

It's not about evening the playing field. Most of the time, comments made about skinny people are done by fat ones who are tired of being picked on for their weight. They're tired of being told that they need to look like those skinny people. When they do that, I'm not going to point at them and accuse them of doing the same thing that fat bashers do.

I was made fun of for being too skinny. It does hurt. But it is nowhere near the same thing as being made fun of for being too fat. It isn't okay for the kids doing the teasing in either case. But, it is much harder to be fat as a kid and as an adult. I didn't get near the level of teasing, mockery, and physical abuse as my fat friends did. It's particularly bad to comment on any child's weight, skinny or fat.

I'm sorry, but with all the fat bashing that goes on in the lounge, I'm not about to slam those who vent some steam by picking on the poor little skinny people. It may be wrong for them to do so, but I will not put them on the same level as fat bashers. I'd be willing to bet that if we heard less "fat people are lazy and eat too much" comments, the "skinny bashing" would stop. There is a difference.

I am not. I think it is the same thing, but people are allowed to be hypocrites.

I didn't say I was okay with it! Read my post a little more carefully.

Doesn't make it okay. I guess picking on fat people is not the last acceptable discrimination.

if you show me where I said it was okay. I'm serious.

I did not say it was okay. I was saying it isn't the same thing.

If you want to pick on people who are tired of hearing how fat they are, and how skinny they should be, that's fine with me. What they're doing may not be right, and you can call them on it. But, you can't compare it to fat bashing. You just can't.

and just because fat people have it worst shouldn't make it acceptable. I'm saying just because someone is sick of being bashed for being fat, turning around and bashing a thin person is not the solution. Making fun of women's bodies, big or small, is the reason women have screwed up body images.

in this thread.

That is what I'm talking about. You hear that all the time around here. That is exactly the thing that causes the "skinny bashing" you're talking about. What the poster did in that post is NOT the same thing as the posters responding to the pictures in these threads.

I'm not telling you I'm okay with it. I'm just saying saying it like it is.

and people were just fine with it. Even made excuses why it was okay to bash this woman but not okay to bash fat women. He's wrong and so is this thread.

in this thread, that must mean I automatically agree with it? It was okay to accuse me of being okay with it?

No one is making any excuses. What they are saying, and what you're refusing to hear, is that a woman's weight has been a huge issue for far too long. We're tired of being compared to the women in these photos, who in no way represent anyone in real life, skinny or fat. If these were pictures of normal, everyday non famous women, you'd have more of a point. But these are the over airbrushed, plastic surgried, personal trained women that are held up as the ideal, and we're saying fuck that ideal.

If anyone posts a picture of themselves here, and someone makes a bad comment about how skinny they look, you can bet I'd be outraged about it.

because you are defending making fun of thin women it makes it sound like you agree with it. You can say fuck that ideal without making it seem like this woman is sickening. Implants aren't for me and I refuse to get them. I just stated I was not going to live up to the ideal of plastic surgeried women without once calling anyone sickening.

I look nothing like this woman and I get a lot of attention when I leave my house. Most women who are involved in relationships in this country look nothing like this woman. Most men would rather have a woman with Jennifer Lopez's body than that woman. There is no pressure to be that thin in this country. Most women in this country are not trying to look like that woman. Calista Flockhart and Lara Flynn Boyle were ridiculed when people first saw them.

There is pressure not to be obese and probably with good reason. But the average size 10 or 12 woman in this country is not ridiculed and made fun of every time they leave their house.

I was simply telling you there is a difference. I think you jumped to the wrong conclusion defensively.

And, I think you're wrong about the pressure to be thin. I think it's a much bigger problem than you realize. Incidences of anorexia are going up, and starting younger, and are even including more boys. Sure there are men who appreciate a little meat on the bones. But that is not what is portrayed as the norm in movies, tv shows and magazines. Tell me how many obviously fat people you've seen in print ads in the magazines? Was it the same amount, more, or less than thin people? And when you saw the, were they always portrayed in a positive way?

In every Marie Claire issue they have articles about body image with thin and large women and all of the women are portrayed in a positive way. In Ebony weight isn't really an issue.

The shows I watch have mostly black casts and the women are not skinny at all.

In most print ads with thin women they are never very thin and the full figured women are never very fat. Advertisers know that women don't want to look like Calista Flockhart but they don't want to look like Carnie Wilson used to either.

was a professional model for a few years before she got married and had kids. I can't even begin to tell you how rough it was for her, and it was the main reason she got out of the business. Suffice it to say, they were not content with her looking normal and healthy. They insisted that she lose more weight even when she was below what is considered healthy on most weight charts. She made herself sick, and is still suffering from body image issues from the pressure. Skinny women are also suffering from this ridiculous notion that skinny is always healthy and good.

There may be a growing trend of allowing more body types in advertising. That is a good thing. But, there's still a billion dollar weight loss industry for a reason. You don't see too many weight gain clinics in the strip malls. Why do you think that is? It is because skinny people aren't mocked on a daily basis and compared to fat women portrayed positively in the media. They aren't rushing to buy the latest weight gain pill or diet, and aren't hardening their arteries to attain the right look.

everyday. And they are trying to find ways to gain weight.

My mother is one of them. Strangers comment on her being skinny. People tell her she needs to eat something. She has tried all of her life to gain weight. She finally got up to 108 and chemo treatment made her lose it.

You really can't convince me that just because fat people get teased more it is not the same thing. It is the same feeling to the person it is happening to.

There is a billion dollar weight loss industry because most fat people don't want to be fat. But they don't want to be as thin as that woman in the picture. Most are just trying to be at a healthy weight.

To try to conform to this "ideal". Silly me. :(

She also had high cholesterol. She has stopped eating to gain weight because it was wrecking her health.

And not rely on other's viewpoints. I have high cholesterol just like your mom. I feel bad for her because it does suck to be in that spot. You have to put up with just as much rudeness from others.

I can remember trying to gain weight myself to look like some of the curvier girls that got all the dates. But if I had wanted to get into modeling, I would have been a shoe in, and not my curvier rivals, who mocked me because I was a "skeleton"
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Why do most people not want to be fat? That's my whole point. They want to look like the women in the magazines. Maybe not all of them. Maybe not yourself. But that is a big reason for the push. And, most of those women are unnaturally thin. I know, because I've been close enough to that industry to know it.

They want to look like the curvier girls who got all the dates.

More and more, the stick thin image is what is being portrayed as ideal, and less the curvier one.

Just to clarify, I don't think it is any less bad when someone makes fun of a person because they're too skinny then when they're too fat. The picture in this thread was of a model, and was used to make the point that the body image we're supposed to aspire to is ridiculous. This wasn't a DUer posting a pic of themselves to share with others. That's the difference.

more than weight. If it was just weight they would get down to the weight in the magazines and stop.

They just have a problem looking at themselves and seeing how they really look. It's a body dismporphic disorder. They still think they don't look like those women, so they continue to starve themselves.

It is an illness, and seeing pictures of thin women aren't the only cause for anorexia. There are many factors. But those images are a factor. Otherwise the incidences of anorexia wouldn't be on the rise in proportion to the ideal woman getting skinnier and skinnier.

who sees those pictures become anorexic. It is more than skinny women in a magazine.

I said in my post that there are other factors besides those pictures.

Then he would consider me healthy. This was, of course, years ago.

I cannot count the number of times perfect strangers, relatives, innocent bystanders have stomped up to me and announced that I "need to bit of meat on my bones".

I think I deserve a pat on the head. In a typical family gathering, I would pick out what I considered a reasonable a meal only to have some obese to the point of wheezing relative take it upon herself to dump more food on my plate, often stuff I simply won't eat (I've got some minor food aversions) or go on and on to the point where I felt like screaming "somebody with a weight problem like yours shouldn't be telling other people how to eat". I didn't.....so far.

Don't push your luck.

Maybe as a thin woman you are. But I was treated better when I got bigger. Need proof? Go over to the singles thread and see how many takers I've had. None. zilch. And I was fully honest about myself. Now if I had lied and said I was 6' 215lbs then I would have gotten a different response.

Thin people are treated better overall in our society. It doesn't mean that skinny people don't ever get picked on. This thread was started and is primarily a thread about women. I can't comment on men's experiences. When people treat you that way it is wrong. I didn't see the singles thread because I'm not one, but I've dated men all over the scale as far as weight goes. For me, weight has always been irrelevant.

But, I still won't give a whole lot of flack to what is mainly venting steam because they're tired of being picked on because they are fat. Fat people get the brunt of comments about weight. It is the last form of "acceptable" discrimination. The threads in the lounge about charging fat people more for airplane tickets, and the rash of fat bashing that ensued probably didn't enrage you much, if you saw it, because you're skinny. No one is ever going to sit next to you on a plane that makes their seats too small and crowded, and complain that you're taking up their space.

I don't think it's ever okay to make fun of or judge someone because of their weight. That was never my point.

that the thin one making fun of the fat one is also "venting steam". It's not right either way. And I distinctly remember my 5'6" 300 lb friend getting much better service in a restaurant and the attention of the opposite sex because he was "big".

It's not right either way and both bashers should be bashed.

because that's not what's happening.

Look, the photos being discussed here are of women who aren't average. They have personal trainers. They get plastic surgery. They have stylists and dietitians. They usually starve themselves, and sometimes purge. Their photographs are retouched. They are held up as the ideal. To rail against that and say there is nothing natural about those woman, and I'm sick of being pressured to isn't the same as when someone calls a fat person a pig. It may not be okay to do so, but it isn't the same thing as the person making comments about how fat people cost us more in society.

I don't doubt that the scenario with your friend happened. But, overall, fat people are discriminated against far more than skinny people.

We don't just play the odds. We fight discrimination wherever we find it. No excuses. We can't assume what is happening with a person just by looking at them.

Just excuse me if I'm not going to get as upset about people commenting on a picture of a woman who's sole job is to look good, and therefore starves herself to keep that job, as the one's who call fat people lazy pigs, and want to charge them more for everything. I think that woman probably got paid the same amount of money regardless.

There are different degrees, here. How many ways do skinny people get discriminated against in the US, honestly? I can't think of too many.

Jesus, it takes food to have the energy to play football. I could go on all day how skinny people are discriminated against.

The main barrier to women having men's jobs were that they were too "small" and "weak". Yet I see skinny women and men firefighters, construction workers, weightlifters, and so on and so on.

We're not taxed for being skinny nor do I think an obesity tax is a good idea. It's a sick one from a sick society who can't judge anyone correctly and where common sense has been thrown out the window.

I'm talking about the images of women in movies, magazines and on tv. If you think that a majority of them don't starve and exercise their way to thinness, then you're wrong. I'm not saying I know for a fact that she starves herself, but because she's obviously a woman who makes a living off of looking good in pictures, it makes it likely.

How are skinny people discriminated against? Really, as someone who was skinny all my life, I just don't see it. I don't see stories in the news and comments on line about how skinny people should be charged for for a seat. For every example of skinny discrimination you come up with, it would probably be easy to come up with at least 5 fat ones.

None of my skinny friends ever sat home on prom and homecoming nights. My best friend, who was considerably overweight, did, every time.

And there is a cure for the messages. It's called the off button, the money staying in the wallet. The good sense to tell your kids that it is NOT ok to pick on anyone for ANY reason.

None of your skinny girlfriends ever stayed home but I'll bet you didn't notice all the skinny guys who did. Alot of my thin friends stayed home also.

It's no excuse.

I never said it was okay. You're being a bit defensive.

There is no way to completely seal off your kids from the message unless you never let them step foot outside of the house. And you can't deny the message is there; fat=bad, skinny=good.

There is a reason there isn't a billion dollar weight gain industry, the way there is for weight loss.

I'm truly sorry for any comments or rejection you've had in your life. It does suck. I've been through it too; everyone has to a certain extent.

Don't you get it? Why give these bastards your money if you don't like it? And teach your children. That's not defensive. That's showing you where you are wrong.

Look, I don't like it. And I certainly don't plan on teaching my kids that weight matters. Believe me, there are plenty of Cosmo magazines that continued to stay on the shelves as I walked on by. But you can't expect me to never go to a movie, or watch television. That is absurd.

I am not wrong when I say that fat people have it rougher overall. And I'm not wrong when I say that the pressure to be thin is there, and portrayed in the media. To tell me I'm wrong, and that I shouldn't give them more money, and that I should teach my kids not to care (duh) doesn't change that. To ignore the problem is simply denial.

I feel alot better since I stopped watching that garbage. Where you are wrong is saying that it's ok to "let off steam" because you have been discriminated against by a certain group. It leads to other groups "letting off steam".

I didn't. I said that commenting on pictures of professional models and celebrities is not the same thing as going around and mocking people because they're fat. Now, if it had been another model who was upset, I could maybe understand. If someone here posted a picture of themselves, and someone attacked them, well, that's a completely different story.

It's not absurd to not watch tv or movies. It's absurd to suggest that I shouldn't do so. As if that would cure the problems that I'm talking about.

But, I still won't give a whole lot of flack to what is mainly venting steam because they're tired of being picked on because they are fat.

Your acceptence means your assent.

It doesn't mean I accept it. It just means that I don't think it's as bad or as worthy of being flamed as someone who thinks fat people are lazy, or are pigs. I can't necessarily blame anyone who was offended by it. But, as a (normally) skinny person, I simply was not. I was, however, offended at some of the comments about fat people. I also think it's denial to say there isn't an overall bias against fat people.

Because I don't scream at someone every time I see someone speeding excessively does that mean I accept speeding? If I acknowledge that drunken driving is a much more serious offense than speeding, does that mean I don't think speeding is an issue?

What happened in this thread certainly wasn't okay. But it just isn't on the same level as those who are bashed and made fun of and discriminated against because they're fat.

The only way for evil to flourish is for good people to do nothing. I wonder who said that? You've declared open season on me and I am offended.

I have not. That is ridiculous. I was acknowledging that there are different degrees.

I never said it was okay for anyone to make fun of you, or anyone for their size You are slinging mud at the wrong woman. If I were in the room, and someone made fun of you for being skinny, they would NOT want to be in the room with me. When people made fun of me because I was skinny, you can bet they got an earful. When people made fun of my fat friend, they got more than that.

I was acknowledging that there is a matter of degree, here. That is all. That is not accepting anyone insulting anybody. I do not condone anyone making fun of others for their appearance. If you knew me, you'd know exactly how ridiculous that is.

It's not right. Ever. If you were so much against it and thought it was not ok, you would give the same flack to both.

Bullshit.

I do give flack for that! I said as much in my last post! I told you that I never suffer that kind of attitude.

You are way too defensive to even discuss this issue, so I'm done. It's not all black and white. And you're accusing me of something I am not guilty of. Mayve you should calm down and come back later and read what I've said a little more carefully, if you're going to acuse me like that.

I gave you your own words and now you are projecting it on me. Oh well, good day.

BTW, if you say something is not right it is not usually followed by the word but.

And I'm not projecting anything on you.

If you post a picture of you, and someone makes fun of you for being too skinny, I will smack them down, just as hard as anyone making fun of a fat person. Because that picture wouldn't be a picture of a model that someone else posted to prove the point that the image to be thin is being pushed on us.

Now do you get it?

I wouldn't bash her either and then try to explain it away. If she was deliberately starving herself I would ask her to get help.

I never bashed her. I actually said in another post that I didn't think she was too skinny.

You can really see no difference in posting a picture of a model to prove the point that there is a pressure to be thin, and bashing someone just because of their weight?

In the ideal men thread, you responded to someone posting a picture of George Clooney. You weren't bashing George Clooney, were you? No, you were pointing out that his looks may be an ideal that most can't attain. That seems to make you feel bad. Well, that is how women feel when they see pictures of women like the one above.

What I was saying was that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If we're going to bash the lady up top and all skinny people, we may as well bash George Clooney. I know that there is pressure to be something that you're not. That point I got. I don't like being made to confrom to something I'm not either and I have paid for it.

Where you lost me was where you said you were not going to give too much flack to the fat person who is "letting off steam" by bashing a person who is skinny. That is what you don't get. Maybe because you were so close to the industry, it hits a nerve with you.

The answer is to not be a part of it. I wouldn't put her above all else but I certainly won't bash her either or say that one group is oppressed more than the other. We are all oppressed.

I never said I wouldn't flame someone for bashing a person who was skinny, fat or not. I was talking about the posters who were reacting to the picture, not skinny bashing in general. I've already said a dozen times that it is never okay to bash someone because of their size.

I've never taken as much offense at comments about my weight when I was skinny simply because my life has never really been any worse for being skinny. For women, it is almost always viewed as better. Other women may be offended. But, that is how I feel. Now, being overweight, for women, is another matter, entirely. I do think skinny men get a rougher time of it than skinny women. But this thread has been about women, and that is what I've been talking about.

The posters who were reacting to the picture were just as bad as any others who bash. For you to deny that fact is wrong. This may have been a post about women but it applies equally to us all.

to "get me" on something. Rather then listening to what I'm saying. No, pointing to that picture and using it as an example of pressure put on women is not the same as bashing skinny people. I don't agree with you. But, go ahead and cut and paste stuff that I've said if it makes you feel better.

Calling someone "concentration camp sickening" is a bash. Thanks. Even if she is a model. And no I am not trying to "get" you. Just an acknowledgement that it is equally wrong to bash someone for their looks. Fat or skinny. Which I am not going to get but I am determined about it.

I can say without a doubt that I agreed with everything you just said. You've been distorting my position for some reason. I think maybe you misunderstood what I said, got defensive, and when I've been trying to clarify to explain, you've been twisting what I'm saying.

So, let's just forget everything before this point. I do not agree with bashing anyone for their weight. Okay, now?

Either you are okay making fun of people's body weight and that includes heavier women or you are not. I don't make fun of overweight people and I will not make fun of skinny women.

would post a pic to make a point

concentration camp sickening does not make any point. Is it this woman's fault you are bombarded with images about being thin? You can make excuses all you want. It is not right to make fun of fat people or skinny people to me. If it makes you feel better about yourself you can call skinny women all the nasty things you can think of.

A bit muscular, and not the exact body I'd want, but she looks very healthy. Doubt if the boobs are real, though. (sorry!)

What I don't like is the feeling that I have to be as thin as possible to be even remotely attractive. Also, the scary things people are doing to make themselves thin! There's an opportunity cost there too. People who spend huge amounts of time on their bodies and diets don't have time to do other important things.

As for men, I have been attracted to many diferent body types. But my ideal guy would be slightly overweight, with slightly geeky look to him. I am married to a guy like that! Even before I met him I would seek out guys that look like that. Not all women are crazy about movie idol type guys. Most of the "handsome" leading men leave me cold.

Women shouldn't starve themselves because they think they have to.

in life. Brittle bones will be high on the list.

Maybe she trains with weights....sure looks like she might.

that you have no problems of your own to worry about...
can i send you a few of mine to fret over for a while?

Looks like she behaves like her too. :cry:

That to me is disgusting. Just my opinion.

I'm a Barbie girl
In a Barbie world...

Sorry, I like substance -- physical and intellectual. When somebody spends that much time and trouble (and hairspray) to look like something that should have "Mattel^®" stamped on her forehead, you've got to wonder if there's any functioning grey matter betwixt the ears.

We're all going to sag, wrinkle, and look like hell one day (no matter how many boob jobs, face lifts, and tummy tucks you can afford) -- so you'd better have something interesting to talk about when you're rocking on the porch.

Waistlines.

eh she looks fairly muscular and athletic without looking like a stick. she's not at all too skinny. her face is kinda eh though.

:wow: :bounce:

and a chubby butt at that, I would wager to guess you're a guy.

Chubby butt-cracks are culturally acceptable on men, whether on or off the football field, and you're not likely to get kicked out of an American bed for having a beefy butt. Not so for women, in the Lingerie Bowl, or otherwise. A woman's value in the bed is proportional to the size of her butt crack. And a woman on this board is not likely to portray herself as a chubby butt-crack for that reason.

You "look" like you're a physically and emotionally healthy individual, free from society's pressure that you have a board-thin butt. Congratulations. :)

I mean, she's got twenty pounds easily on Lara Flynn Boyle.

"disgusting thin." I mean, some people are just thin without starving themselves or binging/purging. I know 'cause I'm one of them, and I'm healthy.

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100% saline solution.

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While her thighs may be normal for a healthy woman in the naturally-thin range....

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And I'll bet dollars to donuts she also talks too much, and thinks she should be able to vote and own property. ;)

O......kay.

While I've grown to accept and appreciate my natural curvacousness in a society that does seem to value thinness in the mass media, I also know that some women are naturally slender and just as I wouldn't want my parts critiqued, neither would they. I can appreciate my figure (and many males seem to as well, but not all men like the curvy thing either), but I can't call myself a feminist and pick apart the features of another women, who for her, may very well be her healthy, natural self as well. It doesn't feel right.

...topics that should not be discussed in polite American society, no matter how obsessed that society is with those topics, unless, of course, we're all of the same political persuasion (DU), or religion, or weight.

the dumbass outfit.

But that Lara Flynn Boyle picture is frightening. Fat, thin, or somewhere in between, you have to admit that bony is NOT attractive.

If you find that attractive, please seek help.

Much hotter than one of 5'5 170 pound beasts that seem to be proliferating in this country.

and not one of the vast number of men in this country with a serious gut...then you might wanta keep your mouth shut about people being "beasts".

6'1 185 32 inch waist. Def not a beast like so many others who don't care one wit about their appearance or health.

not all overweight people don't care about their health. We've had this discussion on the board before. There are a lot of folks out there who could be in better shape with some work. But there are also plenty of folks out there with health conditions that contribute to their weight. So don't go giving overweight people in general a hard time until a) you know their story and b) you've walked a mile in their shoes.

And before you go making any more assumptions...this is all coming from someone who used to be 5'8" and 275 and is now 120 pounds lighter after 2 hard years of dieting and exercising.

two years of doing what you should have been doing all along, you lost weight. Good for you. More people should follow your example.

does absolutely nothing to motivate them. And in the case of some people all the exercising and dieting in the world makes NO difference. I know this too from personal experience...my best friend has tremendous health problems that affect both her weight and her ability to do any form of exercise some days. She doesn't deserve the appelation "beast".

There is no place for name calling. I apologize. And I assure you, I would never call a real person a beast. That is just wrong.

And proper exercise and diet WILL make a difference. It is impossible to GAIN weight if you expend more calories than you consume.

the rise out of that comment from others here that you thought you would? Are enough people sufficiently offended by your comment?

ok to ridicule a healthy thin woman. Must be jealousy. Why would people be offended by the truth?

I mean, come on.

"Gee, I just can't understand why people would react when I appear on a website referring to women as beasts"

Sure. I'm not buying it.

women as beasts. Reread please.

you were referring to wolves, or buffalo maybe?

This was a post about a picture of a skinny woman. This thread was talking about skinny vs. fat women, and how people react.

Maye you were confused about which thread you were in?

have referred to a man as well. It was generic. And you know what? If you're 5'5 170, lose some friggen weight. I don't wnat to have to pay more in taxes so Medicaid and Medicare can take care of the medical problems you are almost sure to have.

because you're beast comment could have included men as well, that makes it okay?

n/t

Married for 13 wonderful years to a gorgeous redhead who is 5'10 140.

a BBW fan?

I think the breast implants make her look skinnier than she really is because they are out of proportion to the rest of her body.

So she might not have implants, her boobs are on the "up bounce".

I don´t see the problem.

I've never seen a woman that thin in there.

Europeans aren't as compulsive about weight as Americans, so it's rare to see extremes on either end of the spectrum. There's a healthier diet in Europe, with family-run restaurants/better quality meals, and more emphasis on team-sports, which is instilled at the elementary school level and beyond.

However, I don't think that woman in the picture above is that unusual or that "extreme" in Germany or Europe for that matter. I live in Munich and I know Munich is considered is considered "glamourous" compared to most German cities, but I think most German women or evcen European women for that matter are not that different than the woman pictured above. There are always extremes...but you see see very few 300 lb women in Europe as opposed to the US. For myself, it's always a shock arriving at a US airport having lived in Europe for so long.....because people are so big.

That's because I think Europeans have a healthier diet, are more fit (walk, bike, use public transportation as opposed to the car), and generally take care better care of themselves.

or thinner, but tonight, I didn't see anyone who came close to being as thin as the woman pictured above. On the rare occasion I notice someone on the street who looks so thin that I might comment that she has an eating disorder, but generally, in my neck of the woods, there just aren't the extremes of obesity or anorexia as in the U.S. The US anorexic woman appears more in the media than in real life, doesn't she, such as the Victoria Secret catalogues? Body image is a huge issue in the states...lots of talk about fat content whenever I went out to eat w/friends that I don't hear discussed over here. My visiting friends panicked when a couple of knodel w/gravy, or a schweinehaxen, were placed in front of them. :)

BTW, the uproar over Janet is amusing, when you consider the gratuitous nudity found on German TV/billboards/beaches/saunas, etc. Like Clinton and Monica, Europe asks, "What's the big deal?"

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that huge fake boobs on a thin/very thin woman looks TERRIBLE?!?!
do people actually believe a woman can be that skinny and have huge natural breasts? Thin women with large breasts do exist, but they're a rare bird.
ug, that one female contestant on that stupid couples fear factor show is so small in stature and yet her boobs are sooo big. I-t looks ridiculous1

Very healthy looking IMO.

no...This is "concentration-camp sickening":



get over yourself.

not prance around half naked for men to get their jollies. This stupid women is setting a bad example for little girls.

But I think she's fine - and cute. :-)

I also think Lara Flynn Boyle is gorgeous too :shrug:

i am by definition a Super Freak.

my kind of woman! :evilgrin:

according to the originator of this thread

since i am a size 2 i'm pre-adolescent
therefore i cannot claim "woman" status yet

:loveya:

and a damn good woman at that!

:loveya:

n/t

Don't starve yourself. Don't over-exercise. Don't binge to gain weight. Don't go under the knife.

Just be healthy and happy and your beauty will shine. :)

:thumbsup:

Finally someone that brings some sense to this whole mess. :)

To be truly anorexic you have to have certain things, specifically concave tummy and muscle wastage.

Look about two inches above her panty line - see that little bulge? That's body fat. See her left (your right) arm? See that bulge? That's muscle. You can also see it on her legs.

...and she's about to do what - play football! Someone who's undernourished isn't gonna last two minutes out there.

hair and makeup-wise, and the outfit is absurd, I've seen worse. However, to those saying she looks fine and buff and all that, let me point out that, in this heavily-airbrushed photo, you can still see the bones in her upper arms and in her thighs clearly. If the photo were not airbrushed, you'd see every bone in her upper chest also standing out. That IS quite thin. Some people are that way naturally, and more power to 'em - if that's their natural body style, then that's attractive FOR THEM. However, for someone with a more average-type body, it isn't attractive to try to force your body to look like that. The vast majority of humans can't be that thin and remain healthy. She may be one of the minority who can.

It's pushing this as an ideal FOR EVERYONE that is sickening and wrong - she personally is not sickening, and neither are other naturally-slim or naturally-rounded folks. Being HEALTHY is attractive, and different folks will be healthy at different weights.

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Who'd wanna hang out with that PIG?

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Where's the tolerance?

of mainly young girls who will never measure up once they start eating..

Not everyone was intended to be thin.. For the ones who are (and I know many).. I say great!!! ..But for most of us, super thin will never be a healthy ideal..

It really upsets me when I see a little girl 8 or 9 saying that she's "fat", when she is just normal.. but they see it in magazines,and on tv, and in the movies..

The cute super thin girl always gets the cute guy, and the normal looking girls is the sassy "friend" of the cute girl..

Every little girl should feel like HER body is ok..and they should not be dieting while they are still growing..

(there are some terribly overweight kids, boys and girls...those are NOT the ones I mean)

I have been clothes shopping with my friends, and you would be disgusted to see what some major clothing stores stock in size 6X.. one shoulder rib tickler tops, gold lame' pants,tube dresses, and sexy underwear.. It's disgusting...

You can't really judge someone's health just by looking at them. I agree that the perceived look is not something that should be aspired to but in the same context we should let people be what they are.

It's the assumption that causes alot of trouble.

There's no reason to assume that a thin woman has harmed, starved or tortured herself to be exactly what she is.

Average sized and even slightly fuller figures are still regarded as stunningly beautiful in contemporary society. Drew Barrymore, Carmen Electra, Cindy Crawford are but a few.

If 8 or 9 year old girls are complaining of being fat it's unlikely that lingerie programs and fashion magazines are at fault. Those things aren't typically avialable to a girl that young. That would be a heads up to find out what kinds of things their parents were saying about thereselves and their preferences, and what they were allowing their daughters access to without a minimal attempt at discretion and dialogue.

Alot of it is the message that we ourselves send to our children. The mags and shows just reinforce the message.

An example, an anecdotal one, but an example in it's own right. My brother was always a little on the heavy side and he still is. My mom was constantly telling him to do this or that to lose weight. My response was to just let him be the way he is and everything would be ok.

The best thing that I thought could be done was to play with him when he asked me to. Just picking up the basketball was good for him and for me. Some days the energy just wasn't there but that was ok. There's always another day.

overweight. We are tired of taking it from The (portly) Man!

My sister-in-law is one of those people who can't gain weight. She's not anorexic or bulimic, and has a good appetite--she's just tall and skinny. Her MD wanted her to gain a little more weight when she got pregnant, but other than that, thinks she's perfectly healthy. Thin is bad when it's not natural, and when it's held out as the norm for all women.

when this is so much better:



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yours or the one on top?

there's so much ugliness from both sides of the argument. It's nauseating.

People have been responding oh i like curvy women, etc. "She's a stick." Excuse me? She has great curves! And if she is a stick, I am a bowling ball! What has been happening is a slam against women who are thin, not because they are "anorexic" but because that's their build. I despise the "curvy women are sexier" thread especially because that excludes those women who naturally do not have curves and are thin. Everytime people generalize women who are thin are all "anorexic", why do they harp upon those who generalize that fat women "eat too much" (which are both incorrect generalizations)?

and such an amazingly evolved human being. :hug:

The thread probably would have been 90% better if the subject had read "Curvy Women are Sexy" rather than "Curvy Women are Sexier."

There are a lot of beautiful people in the world. Short, tall, thin, zaftig, pale, dark, smart and noodle-headed. Sexy is a state of mind.

like me can see she's in good physical shape. Gotta be PC here, but -yum yum--------

By the looks of her arms and thighs, this woman is either a fitness pro, or just works out. I read tons of magazines with just such women in them. Aesthetically, the only bad thing about it, to my eyes, is that they usually eat very low fat or so, especially leading up to fitness contests. This, in my opinion causes those of a certain body type (smaller hips, rather than pear shape) to lose any suggestion of hips, and butt.

I think it is possible to go too far in leaning out your body when weight lifting to compete, and IMHO it causes them to look a little scrawny or at worst masculine because the upper body is widened out of proportion. Personally, I say leave a little flesh over your muscle, it looks better.

look...it's obvious she works out. She has muscles on her arms. Her legs and abs are well toned. She looks much healthier than a lot of women.

Get a grip. Geez.

the world would be a much much better place.