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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:01 PM
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I'm thinking of getting cat
I'm 62, live alone and I've heard stories about how comforting a cat can be.

Don't get me wrong - most of the time I'm content, but sometimes lonely.

Been married a lot and sometimes I was even lonely then.

I like dogs too but I think it's cruel to have them in a city. And they are high maintenance.

Should I make the leap?
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:03 PM
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1. They are wonderful. Better yet, get two.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:17 PM
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70. Yes! One cat is wonderful and two are exponentially wonderful.
:bounce:

Get a bonded pair that can play with each other.

Once you go cat, you never go back. :)
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:08 PM
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2. Do it!
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 05:38 PM by huskerlaw
But I also agree...get two. Preferably 2 older (3-4 year old) litter mates, or cats that are already used to being together. That way they won't get lonely when you're not around.

Kittens are fun, but they're also lots of work. If you really want a good companion that's also self-sufficient, go for the older cats that aren't as easily adopted.

I have 3 (ages 4, 2, and 6 months). They love playing and cuddling with each other and typically wear each other out so that I'm the object they cuddle and nap on rather than the person they look to for entertainment.

Edited to add: I live in an apartment in a city as well. My cats never go out. Riley is the only one that even cares about the outdoors and that's because I used to take him out occasionally (when I lived in an apartment that was more conducive to that). The other 2 have absolutely no interest in the outdoors, beyond looking out the windows.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:12 PM
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3. Most of my cats have found me
Those are the best ones. If you get one though they're pretty independent not very high maintenance, just keep the litter box clean, and get them spayed or neutered to keep them from roaming.
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:14 PM
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4. What do you mean?
"found me"
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:24 PM
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6. Cats will just show up in your yard or on your doorstep and "adopt" you.
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 09:47 PM
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58. Just like queers (sorry)
They also hit on me a lot even though I'm hetero.
Never even thought about it.

What is that? Do I have a nice bum?

A counsellor I had once told me that me feminine side came out when I was 15 and me mum died - my sister was only 5 so I became a surrogate mother or something while my dad was grieving.

Life is weird
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:24 PM
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7. You know.....
Strays that wandered into the yard, or showed up at work...things like that. I've had two "find" me.
Take the leap. Cats are wonderful creatures w/ beautiful souls. Be sure to go to your local shelter when you're ready. Generally, they'll have them "fixed" and have all their shots already. Good Luck!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:24 PM
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5. They are super, but do some research. Some are more playful than others, some are lap cats and some
are not. Think about what it is you want in a cat if you are going to get a specific breed.

If you are going to the shelter, be sure to observe the cats and see if you can interact with them to get a sense of their personalities.

I like snuggly cats but mine are half coon so that's really not their thing unless THEY want it to be. :P
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:30 PM
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8. I live in an apartment in a city -Halifax NS
I've heard of 'house cats'.

If I was in the countryside it would be OK
But I don't want an animal 'trapped' in an apartment.
That would be cruel.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:40 PM
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14. We have three who are total housecats
They wouldn't go outside unless you picked them up and threw them out, they'll look at the door but the closest they come to the outside world is lying on the back of the couch gazing out the window.
For companionship you can't beat a yellow Tabby, they're the friendliest things out there.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:35 AM
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44. Gingers rule!!!
Yellow or orange tabbies are wonderful! I don't know if there is something about the genetic disposition, but they more often than not the most laid back, "cool cats."
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:41 PM
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52. My orange marmalade is the sweetest little baby. His sis is a gray and tan
tiger (they are littler mates) and she has a bit of the debbil in her. LOL Well, less now that she is 13, but as a baby whew! Watch out for the wildcat. :P
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:49 PM
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17. My cats have been inside kitties for all of their 13 years and they are fine. In fact
they don't need to worry about diseases or traffic because of it.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 09:12 PM
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23. If you start with a kitten or a young cat you can train them to wear
a harness or collar and walk on a leash. When I first got my Toots (she is 6 years old now), she was a feral kitten and quite wild. I was afraid to let her out because I wasn't sure that she would come back to me. I put a small figure 8 harness on her and got her used to wearing it indoors. I would tug on it when I pet her so she got used to feeling some pressure on it and then put a leash on it and let her get the feel of that. It didn't take very long and I could take her outside for a walk and not worry about her taking off.

You can check one out here: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=1247&rel=1

Unlike many cat owners here, I have a pet door and allow Toots to come and go as she pleases now. I live in a quiet neighborhood and have a secure fenced yard that she never strays from. I realize that there is still a risk, but she loves to be outdoors and I couldn't imagine keeping any animal without giving them the opportunity to enjoy fresh air and sunshine. Speaking for myself, I would not enjoy a life like that.
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 06:20 PM
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54. mike, it is much more cruel to let them out
this article is downloaded with permission from www.littlebigcat.com

Really, you would not be keeping it "trapped" in an apartment- most cats are just fine inside- just get some trees for them to climb and toys, heck, even an empty box or sack!


Indoors or Outdoors?

By Jean Hofve, DVM





Are you thinking about allowing your cat to go outside? To make the right decision, you need to know the facts.

The average lifespan of an indoor cat is 15-18 years. For a cat allowed outdoors, the average life is only 2-5 years. There are many dangers that can harm or kill an outdoor cat.

If your cat goes outside, or you're considering allowing it, please read this entire list. Then be honest with yourself, and answer this one question truthfully: can you absolutely, 100% prevent every one of these things from happening to your cat?


Injury from a fight with another cat (or other animal). A bite-wound abscess can cost a couple of hundred bucks to treat, not to mention that it's very painful to the cat.
Diseases from other cats, such as Feline Leukemia, FIV (feline AIDS), distemper, rabies, toxoplasmosis.
Injury or death by car, truck, motorcycle or other moving vehicle. Even a bicyclist can injure or kill a cat (and if the cyclist is injured in the accident, you may also be privileged to pay her large medical bills, not to mention replacing the bike!).
Stationary cars—yes, even a stopped car can be dangerous. Fanbelts cause the most hideous injuries you can imagine, ripping the fur and skin right off the cat's body and slashing through the muscle. It's not pretty. Those few that survive carry the scars for the rest of their lives.
Leaking antifreeze can also kill. A cat walking through a small spill of antifreeze and then licking its paws has ingested a fatal dose—usually within days, although I have seen it take months for a cat to actually die of the resulting kidney failure.
Dog attacks. Sometimes cats with seemingly minor injuries will still die from the extreme fear they experience from the attack. Dog bite injuries can be painful and costly to treat. I had to do multiple surgeries on one cat who was severely bitten. Of course, dog attacks often have even grimmer consequences.
Stolen to be sold to a lab for "research" or dissection. It's estimated that 2 million pets are stolen every year. Many cats dissected in America's classrooms today are stolen from owners or captured off the streets and sold, alive, to biological supply companies. In Mexico, children are given $1 for every cat they catch. "We have irrefutable evidence that the cats cruelly killed in Mexico were going to American biological supply firms who supply public schools with animals for dissection." (Cat Fancy 1995) In 1990, an undercover investigation of well-known biological supply companies documented Class B licensed dealers delivering hundreds of live cats of unknown origin to those companies. (www.neavs.org). Tens of thousands of cats die every year so that children and college kids and nursing students can dissect them.
Stolen, killed and eaten by people. In some cultures, this is perfectly normal behavior, just as some people eat beef, which would horrify a Hindu, and others eat pork, which is taboo in Islam and Judaism.
Stolen to be used as "live bait" for training fighting dogs (common, especially if you live in or near a good-sized city); live cats are thrown into the pit or tied up and dangled above it to be ripped apart by the dogs, to "blood train" them.
Abuse by juvenile delinquents (of any age)—beaten, shot, stabbed, sexually abused, dissected alive, etc. All of these are common and well documented in cities, towns, and rural areas. I personally saw many of these cases at our clinic, and was involved in others when I worked at the Animal Protection Institute:
A kitten with a fever of 107ºF and two shattered, infected hind legs and numerous puncture wounds. The kids apparently dragged her out of the dog's mouth, but didn't tell mom. The injured kitten did not receive veterinary care until it was almost too late.
A sexually abused 8-week old calico kitten.
A Birman kitten rescued by a street person from a group of kids who were repeatedly throwing him against a brick wall for fun.
Numerous cats injured or killed by guns or arrows or, in one case, beaten to death with a golf club by a man walking his dog along a bike path. Why he was carrying a golf club in the first place was never explained.
Cats soaked in gasoline and set on fire.
A litter of newborn kittens deliberately crushed to death in a trash compactor.
A kitten set on a hot barbecue grill for laughs. Rescued by an outraged neighbor, she survived for a few agonizing hours before dying of massive burns.
A live adult cat tied into a black garbage bag and thrown into the Platte River, where a passerby noticed the bag moving and pulled it out.
Unwanted kittens thrown from moving cars. This is extremely common. A client of mine behind one of these picked up the kitten and adopted her. Angel was one of the lucky ones. I saw 2 dead kittens on the median of I-25 in Denver within a couple of months.

Encounters with a poisonous animal. Depending on where you live, the deadly options may include rattlesnake, copperhead, coral snake, water moccasin (also called cottonmouth), tarantulas, black widow and brown recluse spiders, and scorpions.
Predators. Besides people, there are a lot of critters that can hurt or kill a cat. You may have several of these in your area:
Alligators (if you live in the southeast, you probably know someone who has lost a cat or dog to a 'gator).
Broad-winged hawks (wingspan over 4 feet, dive speed over 100 mph)
Owls – A friend of mine watched an great horned owl strike and fly off with a large, screaming Maine coon cat in his talons.
Eagles (cats are on the menu of Golden eagles, a family of which lives a few miles down the canyon).
Coyotes—these resourceful relatives of our domestic dogs live virtually everywhere in the U.S., including Manhattan and downtown Los Angeles. One night, on major thoroughfare in Denver, I personally saw a very large coyote trotting down the middle of the street!
Foxes—one of my feline patients was brought in with a clear set of puncture marks across her back and down both sides, in a perfect imprint of a fox's jaws. This particular fox was living in central Denver, which like many cities has a large resident fox population. A large cat might be able to escape a fox—or it might die trying.
Raccoons—they don't necessarily kill, but they can cause devastating injuries. Raccoons also carry rabies in many parts of the country. Adult raccoons typically weight 25-50 lbs. Your cat is no match.
Skunks—the danger is not just from the unpleasant end! As members of the weasel family, skunks have vicious teeth and bad tempers.
Other large predators -— in my little town west of Boulder, Colorado, there are bears and mountain lions that have been seen near the schoolyard or trotting down Main Street. More than a dozen domestic cats and two dogs have been taken by lions; at least two cats were snatched within sight of their owners. (The final death toll was 18 cats, 4 dogs, and 1 mountain lion--it was finally shot and killed after being seen stalking children waiting for the school bus.)

Diseases from other animals and from the environment (rabies, distemper, feline leukemia, feline AIDS, feline infectious peritonitis, Lyme disease, ehrlichiosis, cytauxzoonosis, ringworm, and hundreds of other infectious organisms you've never heard of). Some are merely annoying, others are fatal.
Traps and snares. Traps do not discriminate. Thousands of cats and dogs have lost limbs and lives to steel-jawed traps set for raccoons and other species. One of my neighbor's cats had what was left of its leg amputated just recently after being caught in a leghold trap. These traps are legal for control of "nuisance" animals—even in states like Colorado that have banned leghold traps. Few of these nuisance-control trappers are licensed or regulated. They do not care what they catch; if they find a cat or dog in their traps, they usually just kill it and dispose of the body. One trapper was discovered throwing the traps and attached animals into a 55-gallon barrel full of water to easily and conveniently drown them.

Impoundment by animal control, an annoyed neighbor, or local cat-hater. At the shelter, your cat will spend a terrifying few days in a metal cage until:
you reclaim him (less than 5% of cats in shelters are ever re-united with their families)
he is destroyed (the fate of the vast majority of these cats)
if he is extremely lucky, adopted to a family who will keep him indoors!
Parasites—fleas, ticks, heartworm, roundworms, tapeworms—as well as parasites of the parasites, like tapeworms that live in fleas, or West Nile virus and rickettsial diseases carried by mosquitoes.
Skin cancer—cats with white or light-colored fur around the face and ears are prone to cancer from exposure to sunlight.
Hanging/choking from a non-safety collar, or a malfunctioning safety collar.
Accidental poisoning from eating a poisoned rodent or walking through herbicides, fertilizers, pesticides, eating poisonous plants, and other sources.
Intentional poisoning. I grew up in a neighborhood where a vicious woman deliberately baited and poisoned cats for many, many years. In those days, all cats went outside; no one ever heard of an indoor cat. Our family lost several cats to poisoning over the years we lived there.
Exposure to weather (heatstroke, snow, ice, severe storms) and unable to find adequate shelter.
Being accidentally trapped in a garage, basement, car, or other enclosure. Before I knew how dangerous it is for cats to roam, one of my cats wandered into an open garage, apparently hid inside when the car started, then spent a long weekend locked inside while the people were away. I once found my other cat standing on the dashboard of a van across the way. Evidently she slipped in through the open sunroof and couldn't get out again. Had the Southern California weather been just a little warmer that day, she could have died of hyperthermia. I thought it was safe to let them out there, because it was a cul-de-sac with hardly any traffic and open space all around. Not!
Undetected disease. Guardians cannot always carefully observe cats who spend a lot of time outside. Urinary tract problems are frequently missed because the cat so rarely uses an indoor litterbox. I've had clients find their male cats dead of a urinary blockage before they ever knew the cat was sick.
Stupid accidents. Things happen. One of my cats broke a toe when she fell off a fence and caught her paw between two of its boards, which is where I found her, stuck.
A lot of people let their cats out "supervised". That is, the guardian is actually out in the yard with the cat, or pretty close by, mostly, at least until the phone rings or the timer goes off or the kids scream or some other distraction occurs.

If you think your mere presence is sufficient to protect your cat, you're only fooling yourself. You're always within earshot? Great...you might be lucky enough to hear the squealing tires—and the thud. Here are a couple of other experiences from people, including me, who thought their cats were safe outdoors:


A man was outside one morning, standing on his deck, with his cat sitting right next to him. He was drinking his coffee and enjoying the sunrise. Suddenly he heard a funny noise and looked to see what it was. He saw, already a long way off, a coyote with the cat IN ITS MOUTH—snatched from RIGHT NEXT TO HIS FOOT. The guy yelled, and fortunately the coyote dropped the uninjured cat and ran away. All concerned were definitely sadder, but hopefully wiser. Did you know that coyotes can run as fast as greyhounds? Cats can't, and neither can you!
One lady's cat was outside, on his harness attached to a clothesline. She went inside for just a couple of minutes. When she came back out, she found that the cat had tried to jumped over the fence, and was partially hanging from it. His feet were on the ground but he was slowly suffocating. The cat survived, but the trip to the emergency clinic was both terrifying and expensive,
My neighbor's elderly cat, Boots, was sitting on his own porch one summer day, just 2 weeks before his 20th birthday. We had a big party planned for him. He was dragged from the porch and torn apart by two dogs, who played tug-of-war with his broken body. Unfortunately, he was not killed outright. His owner (who was in the house, literally only a few feet away) heard Boots screaming, scared off the dogs, and rushed poor Boots to the emergency clinic, where he survived for a few painful hours until he was finally euthanized. Happy Birthday, dear sweet Boots. I miss you so much! I cry every time I think of you.
A cat being walked on a leash was chewing on some grass. The cat started coughing, but the guardians couldn't see anything in his mouth. They watched the cat, who was still coughing sporadically, overnight, and took him to the vet first thing in the morning. The veterinarian found a 3-inch piece of grass stalk near the cat's larynx, which she removed. Lung x-rays showed fluid, possibly from lodged grass seeds. The cat eventually recovered.
Many years ago, my roommates and I were sitting on the porch one evening with our cat Mr. Crosby, watching our 2 dogs play in the yard, which was surrounded by a 6' wooden privacy fence. Suddenly there were 3 dogs instead of 2; a large Irish setter had suddenly bounded over the high fence like a deer. When he saw us, boing! he jumped back out. We were so stunned we never even moved. (Even though that story had a happy ending, Mr. Crosby did not. He moved out with one of the roommates. As they were moving into their new place, Mr. Crosby slipped out through an open door and was never seen again).
Face it—as a human, you simply do not have the ability to react in time to stop EVERYTHING that could possibly happen to your cat. Your cat is faster than you. Your neighbor's dog is faster than you. Cars are definitely faster than you.

Granted, some cats do live long and happy lives outside. My neighbor's outdoor cat was 15 and doing fine. Then they got a kitten. Sweetest little black kitty you ever saw. They started letting him out when he was only about 8 or 9 weeks old. I found him outside at 10 p.m. one freezing winter night when I walked the dog. I took him in overnight, then went over to their house the next morning to discuss it with them. They said he could get under the house to stay warm, just like the older cat did; evidently the kitten didn't know that. They also said their older cat would teach the kitten to be street smart. I guess he was a slow learner, because he died right in front of their house, struck and killed by a car on our very busy street long before his first birthday.

Think about this: when you have just a handful of cats who reach old age outside, how many other cats have to die very, very young to bring the average age of death down to less than 5?

None of these people whose stories I've told wanted or expected these horrible things to happen their beloved cats. But all of this pain and suffering could have been prevented by one simple thing: keeping them inside. It's your choice, but it's your cat's life.

A cat who has never been outdoors probably doesn't have the slightest clue that there is an outdoors. I think when they look out a window, it must be like "kitty TV" to them; with smell-o-vision if the window is open!

It is never safe for a cat to go out. Rural cats are in at least as much danger as city cats; the dangers are just a little different. Less chance of being hit by a car, but more dangerous predators. A fox or owl can and will easily catch and kill a cat. If you think your cat is safe outside because it stays in your yard or doesn't go "too far", you're only fooling yourself. Unfortunately, that illusion could mean life or death to your cat. When your outdoor cat just doesn't come home one day, you may never know why, and you will only be able to hope and pray that his death was quick and painless.

There is another side to the coin, too; and that is the danger that cats pose to birds and other prey animals, including endangered species. Free-roaming cats are superb predators who kill many millions of songbirds and other feathered friends every year. If your cat goes outside, be prepared to deal with the dead -- or worse, dying -- birds and small mammals (mice, voles, baby rabbits), snakes and other wounded creatures that your cat may leave on your doorstep!

For those who really want to give their cats the outdoor experience, it can be done without the risk. Consider cat-fencing or building an outdoor cat enclosure. It doesn't have to be big. But it will keep your cat in, and danger out. We have a couple of examples in our newsletter and we are working on a page that will have many more illustrations. However, be sure to build it strong--as we've discovered, the purpose is not just to keep your cats in, but other animals out. We know two people who had multiple cats killed inside their enclosure--3 by a mountain lion (who was still stuck in the enclosure--and mighty ticked off--when the owner discovered the carnage), and 4 by a pack of loose dogs.


It's a tough world out there--protect your kitties!





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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:27 AM
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38. Russian blues are totally psycho
They're a blast to be around but maybe not a good idea for someone older.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:32 PM
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9. Take mine -- PLEASE!
A stray has adopted my wife and I, and she has upset the delicate dog-cat balance of our household.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:35 PM
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21. Yes. Take two. They're small. nt
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:34 PM
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10. "Cat" is a count noun, not a mass noun.
You may be thinking of getting cat, but they don't sell cat by the ounce. You'll be stuck with at least one whole cat.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:14 AM
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34. I've got 3 1/2
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kaiden Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:35 PM
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11. Shelter cats also select you.
They're the ones who won't leave you alone. They'll stick their paws out of the cage and tap your nose. You'll know.

Also, don't worry about cats living in an apartment. Cats don't need to go out. We live in an area where there are coyotes and mountain lions. Our nine cats don't go out. They like sitting in the windows, though.

Cats are great company and pretty soon, your cats, too, will be following you around the house chatting you up.

And yes. Get two.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:51 PM
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18. Yes, definitely get two. They enjoy having a playmate. Mine still rough and tumble like kittens
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:36 PM
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12. Get A Tiger Instead
:rofl: :hi:


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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:11 PM
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20. or a toyger
Just learned about these today:

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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:38 PM
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13. YES!!!
Go to your nearest shelter and find a new family member or two.

I've got two, one a refugee from the Manchester shelter, the other from a family that was moving to a no-pets apartment. They're the best!


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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:43 PM
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15. Go for it!
Many cats like having a kitty companion around; but you can also find cats that prefer to be the only recipient of your worship.

:hi:
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:42 PM
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22. Yes - wives too - not that I blame them
cats that prefer to be the only recipient of your worship.

Do they clean behind the toilet and take out the garbage?
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:25 AM
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37. No; but neither does my husband.
:rofl:
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:26 AM
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41. FIRE HIM! n/t :)
I spent my married lives cleaning behind toilets
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:31 AM
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42. I knew what I was getting into when I saw a mushroom growing out of the base of his toilet
when we were dating. It's my own damn fault.
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 09:59 PM
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59. Mushroom?
Magic?

We have to live with our own decisions ;)

OR NOT

Me? I have 12-yr old boxers.
As Michael J Fox said in some sitcom:
"If they still have a waistband they stay in the rotation"

Of course I have 'special' ones for the odd occasion when I can find my teeth
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:08 PM
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61. Not magic
At least, I don't think it was... :rofl:

The age of one's skivvies is unimportant. But I think one has to pitch 'em when they become holier than thou.
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:43 PM
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66. You don't know men
Skivvies are important, like showers at the end of the month.

If he starts buying new ones, hire a PI :)

Mike
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:58 PM
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68. Oh he'd never buy new ones...
I buy them for him, and throw out the holy ones when he isn't looking. I know...I'm the vilest sort of beast. :evilgrin:
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:59 AM
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72. Watch for the silk ones
Then you got him

Just sayin'

I'm sure you are happily married
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:32 AM
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74. OK, you found your teeth - where are mine?
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:45 PM
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16. I agree with the recommendation
to get two from the same litter. They will keep each other, and you, entertained to no end!
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:36 PM
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27. Same litter?
Would that mean going to an animal shelter or just asking friends?
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:40 AM
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45. Shelters OFTEN have siblings for adoption.
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 01:41 AM by Lisa0825
In fact, sometimes they will give you a discount to adopt 2 at once. And even if they are not siblings, sometimes they can tell you two which have bonded in the shelter (if it is cageless, like the one I volunteer at). Believe me, we LOVE it when people want a pair!!! :-) In fact, at any given time, we have at least 2 pair which really NEED to be adopted together, and that can be difficult to accomplish.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:19 AM
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48. Either way but I would go to the shelter.
The shelter usually has given them their first shots and will sometimes include a coupon for inexpensive spaying when they are ready.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 06:50 PM
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19. I love my critters and live alone. Get two. They will entertain and love
you doubly. And keep each other company when you are gone.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 09:59 PM
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24. Yep great idea, they are so adorable, warm and cuddly..
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:46 PM
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29. That's an alien corpse.
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 10:47 PM
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25. cats really can be wonderful companions...
I find that older, neutered orange males have a tendency to be very affectionate; most cats are, though some are standoffish. I adopted one who turned out to not like to be held, but she'd do the greatest things - she'd greet me at the door every day when I came home, standing up on her hind legs to bat at the doorknob when I was coming in. And though she liked to sleep in her own kitty bed in the same room with me, not on the bed, she'd just snooze until I woke up, then get up and sit next to me while I had tea. She did NOT like to be held, but loved to be next to me. I was living alone in NYC, working all the time, had recently moved there and was rather lonely; her company really, really made a huge difference.

So whatever personality you find - a lap cat or a sit-next-to-you cat, you'll discover a neat personality. Just keep the litter box clean, fresh water and food, and you'll have a great friend.

Keeping a cat indoors only is fine; that's why they make such great pets. And I'd also suggest getting two littermates, if possible - 2 really are not really any extra work than 1, and they can hang out together whenever you're gone.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:20 AM
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36. One of mine is a "sit-next-to-you" cat also.
Doesn't like to be held or sit in my lap, but can sit next to me while I read or watch TV for hours.

Cats are great!
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:03 PM
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26. do it do it!
If you cat-shop at a shelter I bet one will pick you out, kinda how they said^
Having someone to care for and live with will be so great I think!
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:45 PM
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28. Yes yes yes yes.
You will be forever in love. Do it.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:51 PM
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30. Make the leap
but do check local shelters first. Don't rush. The right cat WILL show up and let you know you are his/her human. Just think about it, they will get the signal. ;)

Keep in mind, a kitten will be pretty bonkers for about 2-3 years. Takes patience to raise one. Expect frustrating and colorful situations. A mature, but not old cat can take time to check you out, but if the cat selects you, it is time well spent.

My daughter has two shelter cats. They both picked her. The second one had belonged to a very elderly person who had to go into a nursing home. The cat was devastated and very shy/insecure. Took time and lots of gentle communication, but that cat is now very secure and a lovely companion full of quirks and adventures. She is very motherly to the first cat and fusses over him and my daughter like a little mother.

It is grand having that other heartbeat in the house. And cats can be most interesting companions if one pays attention. Cats will show you ways to see things differently and will be pleasant friends.

Good luck. Keep us posted.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:05 AM
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31. please do get a kitty kat
you will not regret it. :)
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:08 AM
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32. I vote ABSOLUTELY!
And fyi my cat jumped up next to me on the couch while I was typing the topic line so I think she is voting "yes" too.
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Bullwinkle925 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:11 AM
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33. hello qM . . .
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 12:12 AM by Bullwinkle925
as a very recent widow - i made the leap and brought home a kitty from the local shelter.
i've had her for about 2 1/2 months now and we are bonding. she's supposedly 2yrs. old - looks full-grown but has a lot of *kitten* tendencies. she gets the night-crazies every evening - drags socks out of the laundry room and i find them all over the house. loves to curl up in my lap and then occasionally thinks i'm her *prey* and tries to attack my hands.
for the most part she's good to have around - you just need the time to acclimate to one another.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:17 AM
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35. Yes!! There are so many kitties in need of homes.
Go to your local shelter, and get to know them. You'll be glad you did. And I concur with those who suggest getting two.

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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:45 AM
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39. Cats are great company...
...they are endlessly fascinating to watch. Two is nice, if they are used to being in a multi-cat household, but some cats are perfectly happy as solo cats, especially if you are home a lot to be with them. If you work all day several days a week it's probably best to get two.

Shelter cats have been great for me, and yes, they WILL pick you out. Our shelter in St. Paul had a special "play room" where you could have the critters who interested you brought in out of their crates, with some toys around and a nice soft surface. I was looking for a kitty who would be somewhat sociable but not too kitten-active, because I had a geriatric siamese who'd just lost his long-term buddy and was getting lonely and neurotic. I looked for a cat who'd show interest in the toys but not run around too much or seem scared/aggressive/nervous. The orange boy hopped out of his crate, strolled up to me, batted a cloth mouse around, then sat down and looked at me with a "well, what about it?" expression.

I've been his person for fourteen years, now, and he's still delighting me with new personality twists.

They have so MUCH personality! Take the plunge. Enjoy!

encouragingly,
Bright
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:59 AM
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40. Two from the same litter is good, but...
...sometimes a shelter will have 'best buddies'...cats that come from the same home, are bonded with each other, but unrelated.
This is a good bet too.

Two cats is good if you have to go out and be gone for any length of time. Cats are intelligent little souls and get lonely and bored if left alone too long. This can lead to problem behavior, crying, clinginess...they're not as destructive as dogs are, but they will DEFINITELY let you know they are not happy.

Kittens are cute and a lot of fun, but they're totally INSANE for at least a year.
They do get through the 'terrible twos' faster than a human child, but that's about all you can say...:hide::yoiks:

If you're looking for a home entertainment system, and don't mind 'raising' a couple of furkids, then by all means, go for kittens!
Otherwise, older cats are really wanting homes.

(Then you can post your furbabies doing silly cat things on LOLcats! :silly:)
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:32 AM
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43. YES!!!!
Check with your local no-kill shelters. Tell them your situation. They may even have a cat who was someone's companion already, who couldn't keep them, so they know it was already accustomed to being an only kitty. Otherwise, I agree that getting two is ideal, because they will entertain each other. Unless you really want the experience of getting a kitten, please consider taking in an adult cat (or two). Adult cats usually do not have much chance of getting adopted, and they can still adapt to a new home very well.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:52 AM
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46. Sure!
Cats are a major part of my life, and I find them a particular comfort when I'm feeling depressed--cats and dogs tend to love you unconditionally and you can find solace with them.

I would suggest two at a time, because they can keep each other occupied when you're not around. Two girls or a girl and a boy--all sterilized--are most compatible.

If you can keep them indoors all the time, you are in a better situation than having them outdoors. Mine have all been indoor cats since the late 70s.

Read up on what you want, whether it's a purebred or a Heinz 57--cats at the pound are always in desperate need of homes, and you might get siblings which will solve the compatibility problem. In fact, "mutts" often are less neurotic than purebreds, especially some (like Persians) which can be very tetchy.

Socializing in the one part you will need to pay extra attention to: mine were never really exposed to too much of it, unfortunately, and they were skittish around people.

Good luck, and perhaps bring a friend with you to see the cats to help you pick one out. In fact, perhaps you can get a friend to also get one at the same time, and you will have helped same even yet another one from euthanasia.

Let us know what happens!
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amerikat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:14 AM
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47. There is nothing so comforting as a soft purr
I don't know where you live.......but in the springtime, no matter where you live there will be many newborn kittens.. get some kittens. They will grow into cats that will always love you.
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 09:23 AM
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49. Yes, you should. The more the merrier!
Go on down to the animal shelter take a look around. Cats make great companions. I have two and they are absolutly wonderful to have around. Even my dogs love them!

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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 09:42 AM
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50. you deserve the companionship of a couple of kitties!
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 10:22 AM by yellowdogintexas
See, they keep each other company, keep you warm, look very cute and even provide fashion accessories
our current crop are 3 which were born in our house and our elder Siamese mix (aka my daughter's favorite fur stole) who was a foundling. All of my prior cats have been foundlings. They do choose you, if you just let them. Go visit the local Humane Society, or check out PetCo and PetSmart as they sponsor no kill shelter adoptables and yes you will be told if they recommend that certain cats go out as a pair due to bonding.

Kitties are wonderful apartment pets. They love to sit in the sunny window and soak up the heat, cuddle on the couch, boot you out of bed, LOL, and do silly things which entertain you. We have a chatterbox, a moaner, a whiner and a more quiet one. They all purr.

Recipe for a lovely wintery day: warm kitty, soft blanket, cozy chair, cup of favorite hot liquid and a good book!

edited to add: You MUST observe the Rules of the Lounge: once you get them, you must post their pictures, and give us new photos from time to time.



our babies in the full litter


kitten, stuck on foot


needs no explanation


just a sweet pair


the perfect accessory
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 09:49 AM
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51. I have three
Get the cat..
I love my kitties..And they love me.
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:54 PM
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53. Oh, yes - a definite yes!
cats really are wonderful companions. It is good to have one "find you", as someone has stated- OR you could get one at a local cat shelter. Many a cat shelter will need foster parents, especially come spring and kitten season. Usually you get first dibs on the one you want, if you decide to adopt it, and it is usually just at cost. I am convinced that foster cats are the best cats around, they are so well socialized from an early age, they like people. As you might have guessed, I have done a lot of fostering for www.angelswithpaws.net and have fallen in love with several of my charges. My first foster was Tigger, age 17 with a thyroid problem, came to our shelter after his owner died, leaving behind five cats and two dogs. I knew that it was basically hospice care, but there was something about this guy that touched me.

Mike, you might consider two! It really is not much more trouble and they enjoy sharing their feline companionship, grooming each other and sleeping with a paw flung over the other. Now, cats can have many different types of personalities, a lot of it has to do with whether it has been socialized as a youngster or its natural tendencies. BUt GO! I would suggest dropping in a cat shelter and visiting with several- I think that they'll steal your heart. You can also check www.petfinder.com and put in the exact breed, gender, age etc. near your location.

Good luck and keep us posted!
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hoozyorsugadaddy Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 07:45 PM
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55. good companions, clean and not noisy
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 09:37 PM
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56. A house without a cat
is an empty house.
They have a way of filling up the empty spaces.
They also bring out the best in us!

Do you have a rescue, no-kill shelter nearby? They usually do a great job of matching personalities etc. You could also sit in their playroom and see what happens. Some will be shy and some will march right up to you.

Hope you post pics if and when you take the leap.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 09:39 PM
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57. Cats: finally, an excuse to keep a box of shit in your house
No seriously, I have two of them and they're great. They are very good company.
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:08 PM
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62. End of thread
YOU CONVINCED ME - I AM GETTING CAT TOMORROW

Then you will see those boring cat threads and Horrible Photos.

NOW MY DILEMMA IS SHOULD I GET TWO?

Fuck, life is hard: decisions decisions decisions

As I said - END OF THREAD
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:00 PM
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60. Don't do it! They are lame. Get the dog
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:11 PM
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63. I said
END OF THREAD
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:20 PM
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71. Bleah -- dogs. Stinky, greasy, panting, barking inferior beasts, I say!
Cats are WAAAAAAAY better.

So there. :P
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:14 PM
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64. Get a cat or two or 10
They will love you unconditionally, entertain you unendingly and lower your blood pressure and ease your stress. I don't know how I ever lived without cats before. My sister lost her husband in October and got a cat right afterward, and the kitty has been very comforting for her.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:34 PM
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65. Get a cat AND a camera, and then you can post here:
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 10:38 PM by benEzra
LOLcats <-- lots of funny/cute cat pics with creative captions

BTW, we are owners loyal subjects of a beautiful 4-year-old Maine Coon mix that we rescued from a shelter. Her Majesty is awesome...
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:46 PM
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67. I hear ya
I always hated cat threads, but I guess I'm gonna bombard you

BARF
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:17 PM
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69. great saying on a coffee mug
Dogs have owners-

cats have staff
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:37 AM
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75. Thats a good site
but if he is really selective about his new cat he could post pics here:

http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/

:rofl:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:25 AM
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73. The two cats I've had have completely changed my life for the better.
Excellent idea!
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