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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:21 PM
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De-clawing cats...

Had a discussion with a Stateside pal (from UK, me) about de-clawing cats, which seems cruel to Brits. She said she thinks *not* de-clawing cats would be seen as cruel in the States.

This is a thing about which I do not know. Perhaps you can help me? What is the de-clawing for? Is it to stop them hurting each other in fights or something?
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likesmountains 52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:23 PM
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1. get ready...
:popcorn:
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:19 PM
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39. Hey welcome to DU likesmountains 52.
I likes mountains too, especially when the sun is close to them and they have that purple haze.
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:16 PM
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96. pass the popcorn and is it too early for beer? eom
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cbmanchester Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:24 PM
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2. Disarming anything, including a cat, is UNAMERICAN!
Mostly it's used to keep cats from damaging furniture. People are too lazy to train their cat to use other items for clawing. In the event the cat gets out though, they will need those claws to protect itself.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:25 PM
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3. I don't think that anyone believes it's cruel to *not* declaw.
Most people that declaw their cats do it to protect their furniture from being scratched.

Oh, and by the way, you just set off the flamewar of the century. Enjoy! :toast:
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:26 PM
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4. I have never declawed any of my cats.
But from people I know who have, it was to stop the cats from using thier claws on furniture or destroying carpet.

I think it's cruel, and I will never do it to a cat of mine.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:26 PM
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5. It's a cruel procedure which cuts off the tops of their toes
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 01:27 PM by LostinVA
Sure the cat won't be able to scratch the furniture (or properly defend itself), but it often leads to worse behavioral issues, such as litter box avoidance.

It should be illegal and reputable vets won't perform the procedure.

If a cat truly can't be trained not scratch on things, SoftPaws are plastic caps to cover their claws, and they really do work.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:15 PM
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56. I've also heard vets say
that declawing leads the cats to bite more instead. I don't like mine using their claws on my arms, personally, but I try to clip them when they will let me, and I know full well that I would never declaw them.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:26 PM
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6. Isn't there a product callde "Soft Paws"
that can go over the claws and can be an alternative to de-clawing?
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:21 PM
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98. yes! they come in fashion colors too
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:26 PM
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7. Oh SNAP! Here we go!
:popcorn:
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:26 PM
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8. Declawing cats is completely inhumane...
It's akin to cutting your human fingers off at the first knuckle. Afaik, it is generally done b/c people don't want their cats clawing up furniture. Also, it imperils the cat in the event that it gets outdoors, b/c it won't be able to climb to safety or defned itself against predators.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:27 PM
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9. Sweet!
We haven't done this one in a while!
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:14 PM
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74. A fresh horror to me, I must confess.

I put up a nice little thread, not too hot, I thought, maybe simmer a little, leave it for an hour or so to stew before checking it out and it's got 73 replies...

Oh, dearie dear.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:28 PM
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10. tend to keep claws on the cats
all of our cat except 1 have all claws.
the cat with claws removed in back feet was to help with an alergy problem-she was scatching herself bloody.

you do put up with more damage to furniture and drapes and such, but I would come down on the side of letting them keep their claws if at all possible.

(is this round 1?)
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:30 PM
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11. declawing cats can be dangerous to the cat. if cats fall from heights their claws
help them to stay balanced.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:30 PM
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12. it is inhumane to declaw cats...but purrfectly humane to chop their testes off. nt.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:31 PM
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13. in fairness they dont fall and die from lack of testes.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:32 PM
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15. I just find the arguments funny. If its like cutting fingers off.....
what is neutering like?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:36 PM
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17. Here's the difference
Cats don't need their testes to live a normal life..in fact most are happier without them (less aggrssive for one thing). Cats DO NEED their claws..In fact many declawed cats dislike usuing the litter box, which is a huge problem.
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:04 PM
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69. yeah, and pet overpopulation is a big problem
One mama cat and her offspring will have 500,000 more little felines in the period of seven years.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:36 PM
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19. well my argument is if they fall they die. so if you have a declawed cat you have to be super duper
insanely careful. i have atleast 2 acquaintances who had cats die, because they declawed the cat, then forgot about open windows.


the argument when phrased in that matter is funny.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:47 PM
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23. what about people that live in houses..that want to avoid injury or damage?
isn't it a matter of what people want? I'm sure, given a choice, the animal would choose to keep its claws and its balls.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:49 PM
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25. well i think if you have a violent cat and a child running around thats one thing
but my acquaintance would declaw kittens w.out even really trying to train them to not claw at the furniture. a year or so later the kitten jumped out of an open window. a 'normal' cat would be fine with the jump but her cat coudlnt keep balance.

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:49 PM
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26. well i think if you have a violent cat and a child running around thats one thing
but my acquaintance would declaw kittens w.out even really trying to train them to not claw at the furniture. a year or so later the kitten jumped out of an open window. a 'normal' cat would be fine with the jump but her cat coudlnt keep balance.

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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:51 PM
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28. that is a poor decision, and I would not choose to declaw a cat at all...
I don't think it is inhumane to do so though.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:52 PM
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30. i dont know if i woudl term in inhumane either, but risky. its a risk to the cat.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:55 PM
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34. You're missing the point.
Declawing is purely for human convenience and often leaves the cat in pain afterward.

Neutering, on the other hand (OT: Why do men never complain about spaying? It's much more invasive.) Has only a day or two of recovery and offers a longer, healthier life to the individual animal, as well as a species-wide benefit from the decrease in unwanted kittens.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:03 PM
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36. both procedures offer human convenience...
I don't judge either to be inhumane.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:01 PM
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49. I'm in rescue
I FIRMLY believe in spaying and neutering. Oppose declawing.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:03 PM
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50. Of course.
Thank you for doing rescue work. :)
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:51 PM
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29. I am all for neutering and spaying pets,
especially if it is an outside cat. Which is better, the cat losing its balls or impregnating other outside cats where the kittens end up in the pound and are euthanized?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:53 PM
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31. I agree. There are legitimate reasons for declawing as well. nt.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:06 PM
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37. ----to save furniture.


It doesn't benefit the cat one bit,
quite the opposite.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:07 PM
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38. that and saving peoples faces. nt.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:20 PM
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40. What did said person(s) do to

get attacked in the face?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:21 PM
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41. tried to cut the cats balls off. nt.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:30 PM
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42. Argh!
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 02:30 PM by Kajsa
:banghead:

it was funny, I'll admit it.

:D

Heck, never, ever turn on a vacuum cleaner while
holding one of my fuzzy guys.

You will get claws of death in da chest, PRONTO!
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:24 PM
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57. Sterilizing a cat--male or female
is for their own good. Less pet overpopulation, less aggressiveness, therefore less injuries, and overwhelming evidence shows that sterilized domestic animals live years longer than intact ones.

Declawing them is akin to amputating your fingers at the top joint, and even years later, the cats feel pain. I know for some people, it's declaw or dump the animal, and that's just as cruel. Why even bother to have cats if you are unwilling or too lazy to train them enough to use a scratching post?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:59 AM
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90. If people value their belongings more than their pet, they shouldn't have a pet.
Those same people willingly have children who will draw on the walls, etc. They don't hobble the children or cripple them to prevent it.

It's really simple, if you're afraid a pet will damage your precious things, don't have a pet.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:33 PM
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60. That is humane for the next generation.
Besides, "fixed" cats live longer and don't get into damaging fights like au naturale cats.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:55 AM
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88. What a load of horseshit.
A cat will NOT miss his testicles, nor will their loss cause him pain and discomfort for the remainder of his life.

A declawed cat can and frequently does suffer pain and discomfort for the remainder of their life. They frequently become more aggressive and more likely to bite. They very frequently become less likely to use a litterbox because it hurts them to dig in the litter. A declawed cat is unable to defend itself from any other animals other than by biting which is not very effective.

Quick, how many people do you know who have had vasectomies? How many do you know that have had the first joint of every finger removed?

One other thing to remember. It's NOT just removal of the first joint, it's also the severing of tendons that join the first joint to the rest of the paw. This results in the inability of the paw to function normally, affecting everything from walking to stretching to climbing to digging in the litterbox.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:31 PM
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14. It seems cruel to Americans, too
at least to many of us.

What is the de-clawing for? Is it to stop them hurting each other in fights or something?

(sigh) That would at least be plausible, though still cruel. Most often it is done to keep teh kittehs from clawing furniture. :eyes:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:33 PM
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16. It is cruel indeed...
And as my cats LOVE to climb and use their claws when climbing (their kitty tree/scratching post) and playing it would be terrible to deprive them of them...And they play fight all the time including scratching and biting each other and never have so much as drawn blood (now me, that's a different story--:) Cats scratch. That's a fact of life
If you don't want your furniture clawed, DON'T GET A CAT!!:mad:
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:36 PM
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18. If the cat doesn't go outside I don't see a problem with them being de-clawed..
If the cat does go outside claws can help with defense/aggression.

And if you want to know why some cats should be de-clawed you should ask my couch.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:37 PM
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20. The funny thing is, as long as you get them used to it young, they don't mind claw trimming
It only takes a minute with the kittens, and keeps them from clawing the shit out of me when they're playing. The older cat doesn't need it.

Declawing, as everybody's addressed above, is bad for the cat and done for the convenience of the owner.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:37 PM
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21. We declawed our cats to keep them from scratching our newborn
I admit that I can accept the argument that declawing for the sake of one's furniture is a bit cruel.

I like my cats just fine at least 40% of the time, but if it's a choice between a clawed-up infant and a cat who has to tiptoe for a week, I'll choose the latter and never feel bad about it.

We rescued these two flea-bitten, worm-infested beasts from a filthy cellar, where they were kept in a 2x3 cage with the litter box abutting their collective food and water dishes. Judging from the life that they were facing, we've added years of comfort and affection to what they would otherwise have endured.

I have never encountered the legendary problems (biting, litter avoidance, etc.) with any declawed cat, though I don't doubt that these truly do occur.


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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:49 PM
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24. why would you think it is cruel? do the animals feel pain after the surgery heals? nt.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:00 PM
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91. YES. n/t
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:38 PM
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22. oh, that is so not true
most of us true cat lovers feel that it is very cruel and it is primarily done for the convenience of the owner, who doesn't want to take the time to train the cat not to claw the furniture.



Declawing: A Rational Look

By Jean Hofve, DVM









There are few feline issues that are as controversial as declawing. There is a great deal of myth and misinformation out there about it. If you are considering having this surgery performed on your cat, or if a veterinarian has suggested it, please read this article first to learn more about this major surgical procedure. Isn't it worth a few minutes of your time to make sure that you make a rational and informed decision?

Declawing is not a simple or routine surgery. It should never be done as a "preventative," especially in kittens. Despite their reputation for independence, cats can readily be trained to leave the sofa, curtains, or carpet untouched. Using surgery to prevent or correct a behavioral problem is expedient, but it is definitely not the smartest, kindest, most cost-effective, or best solution for you and your cat. Your veterinarian has an obligation to educate you as to the nature of the procedure, the risks of anesthesia and surgery, and the potential for serious physical and behavioral complications, both short- and long-term.


Why do people declaw their cats?

To protect furniture or other property
They don't want to try to train the cat
They tried one or two things to train the cat but it didn't work
Their other cat is declawed
To stop the cat from scratching them
Their friend's or family's cat is declawed
They have always had declawed cats
Their veterinarian recommends it
Because they just do not know any better
Many people report that they are happier with their cats after declawing, because it makes the cats "better pets." Unfortunately, just as many people have discovered--too late--that declawing frequently leads to far worse problems than it solves. There is no way to know ahead of time into which category your cat might fall! There are other, better ways to solve behavior problems than radical and irreversible surgery.

What is declawing?
Declawing, which is rightly described as "de-toeing" when the same procedure is done to chickens, is the amputation of each front toe at the first joint (hind foot declaws are not commonly done but would be equivalent). This is necessary because, unlike a fingernail, the claw actually grows from the first toe bone. The procedure is so excruciatingly painful that it was once used as a technique of torture, and even today it remains the primary test of the effectiveness of pain medications. Physical recovery takes a few weeks, but even after the surgical wounds have healed, there are other long-term physical and psychological effects.

For the surgery itself, the cat is put under general anesthesia and the toes are prepared with antiseptic soap. A tourniquet is placed on the cat's leg and tightened to prevent excessive bleeding. Using a scalpel, the surgeon grips the tip of the claw with a small clamp, and uses scalpel to carve around the third phalanx, cutting through the skin and severing tendons, nerves, and blood vessels. In another technique using a guillotine blade (Resco), a sterilized veterinary nail clipper is used to cut the tissues (below left; the full series of photos can be seen at lisaviolet.com). A scalpel may be used to remove the last piece of bone. The wound is typically closed with sutures or surgical glue, but some vets rely on bandages to control the bleeding. Tight bandages restrict the normal response of the tissue to swell, causing intense pressure and pain. LASER surgery is similar to the scalpel technique, although the LASER cauterizes the blood vessels by burning them as they are cut, so there is less bleeding (below right).



Are claws so important to a cat's well-being?
Claws perform a number of vital functions for the cat. By scratching various surfaces, cats create a visual and scent identification mark for their territory. Claws provide psychological comfort through kneading, help the cat climb to safety or a secure vantage point, and help the cat fully stretch his back and legs. A declawed cat never again experiences the head-to-toe satisfaction of a full body stretch!

What are the potential complications of declawing?
Post-surgical complications: Abscesses and claw regrowth can occur a few weeks to many years after surgery. Chronic or intermittent lameness may develop. In one study that followed cats for only 5 months after surgery, nearly 1/3 of cats developed complications from both declaw and tendonectomy surgeries (digital tendonectomy is a procedure whereby the tendons that extend the toes are cut; it's sometimes promoted as an "alternative" to declawing. However, because these cats require constant maintenance and frequent nail clipping to prevent injury, most are eventually declawed anyway). Biting and urinating outside the litterbox are the most common behavior problems reported, occuring in over 30% of cats.


Pain: It is impossible to know how much chronic pain and suffering declawing causes, because cats are unable to express these in human terms. However, we can compare similar procedures in people. Nearly all human amputees report "phantom" sensations from the amputated part, ranging from merely strange to extremely painful (about 40% of such sensations are categorized as painful). Because declawing involves at least ten separate amputations, it is virtually certain that all declawed cats experience phantom pain in one or more toes. In humans, these sensations continue for life, even when the amputation took place in early childhood. There is no physiological reason that this would not be true for cats; their nervous systems are identical to ours. Cats are stoic creatures, and typically conceal pain or illness until it becomes overwhelming. With chronic pain, they simply learn to live and cope with it. Their behavior may appear "normal," but a lack of overt signs of pain does not mean that they are pain-free.

Joint Stiffness: In declawed (and tendonectomized) cats, the tendons that control the toe joints retract after surgery, and these joints become essentially "frozen." The toes remain fully contracted for the life of the cat. In cats who were declawed many years earlier, these joints often cannot be moved, even under deep anesthesia. The fact that most cats continue to make scratching motions after they are declawed is often said to "prove" that they do not "miss" their claws. However, this behavior is equally well--and more realistically--explained as desperate but ineffective efforts to stretch those stiff toes, legs, shoulders and backs.

Arthritis: Research has shown that, in the immediate post-operative period, newly declawed cats shift their body weight backward onto the large central pads of the feet, and off the sore toes. This effect was significant even when strong pain medication was given, and remained apparent for the duration of the study (up to 40 hours after the surgery). If this altered gait persists over time, it would cause stress on the leg joints and spine, and would lead to damage and arthritic changes in multiple joints. A recent study showed that arthritis of the elbow is very common in older cats. When contacted, the researchers admitted that they did not ask or record whether the cats were declawed, perhaps preferring the "don't ask, don't tell" policy so as not to anger those many veterinarians who make a lot of money from declawing.

Litterbox Problems: Experts say that declawed cats have more litterbox problems than clawed cats, and the statistics prove it. Not many people would choose urine-soaked carpeting (or floorboards, sofa cushions, walls, bedding, or mattresses) over a few scratch marks, but this is a distressingly common outcome. In one survey, 95% of calls about declawed cats related to litterbox problems, while only 46% of clawed cats had such problems - and most of those were older cats, many of them with physical ailments that accounted for the behavior. Some households with declawed cats have spent thousands of dollars replacing drywall, carpets, and subfloors to repair urine damage.

Biting: Some experts believe that cats who are declawed are likely to become biters. Many declawed cats do seem to "notice" that their claws are missing, and turn to biting as a primary means of defense--not a good choice for a cat in a home with children or immunocompromised individuals.

Change in Personality: This is a common complaint: "my cat has never been the same." A friendly, delightful kitten may become a morose, fearful, or reclusive cat, never to recover its natural joy, grace, and love of exploration.

Neglect, Abandonment, and Abuse: Declawing that results in biting or inappropriate elimination outside the litterbox may result in the cat being permanently locked in the basement, dumped at a shelter, or simply abandoned. Many cats are exiled to a life outdoors because of these unwanted behaviors. There, they also risk injury or death by dogs, cars, wild predators, disease, poison, and other hazards of outdoor life; even more so than clawed cats who retain their primary defenses. People who work with feral cat Trap-Neuter-Release programs often find declawed cats in their traps--cats who should never have been outside at all. These cats once had homes, but were abandoned in an alley or field--almost certainly due to behavior problems resulting from declaw surgery. The claim by veterinarians that "declawing keeps cats in their homes" clearly isn't true for these declawed cats who lost their homes and were abandoned to an uncertain fate. There is no way to know how many cats are dumped this way, but based on experiences in Denver, a typical urban environment, the number is likely in the many thousands.


Death: There is always a small but real risk of death from any general anesthesia, as well as from bleeding or other surgical complications. If a declawed cat that develops a behavior problem is taken to a shelter, such behavior makes him unadoptable, and he will promptly be euthanized (killed). For exiled cats, it is unfortunately common for outdoor cats to be stolen and used as defenseless live bait to be torn apart by fighting dogs, or sold to laboratories or biological suppliers. It's an ugly reality that a tame, friendly, declawed cat makes an ideal experimental subject.

What about LASER declawing--isn't that better?

Laser declawing causes less bleeding and swelling than other surgical techniques. This reduces pain and complications in the first few days after surgery, but the long-term consequences of the procedure remain the same.

Why do so many veterinarians suggest declawing cats?
Many veterinarians in the U.S. have become accustomed to performing the declawing procedure without thinking about--or even recognizing--the common complications. Some even recommend declawing kittens at the same time they are spayed or neutered, whether or not they have developed destructive scratching habits. However, this goes against the express written policy of the American Veterinary Medical Association. All the top veterinary behaviorists agree that declawing should not even be considered until all other options, such as training or deterrents, have been sincerely tried and failed. Veterinarians who, for example, declaw young kittens are violating this AVMA policy. A recent telephone survey found that every single veterinary clinic contacted was willing to declaw a cat without providing--or even offering--behavior counseling or alternatives to the surgery; they did not ask whether training or alternatives had been tried. They didn't even ask if the cat had a scratching post. These clinics are in direct violation of AVMA policy.


Who says declawing is a bad idea?
Declawing is illegal or considered extremely inhumane in 25 countries around the world, including most "civilized" nations: England, Scotland, Wales, Italy, France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Denmark, Finland, Slovenia, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, Brazil, Israel, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and Yugoslavia.

Since animal shelters and humane societies are prime dumping grounds for cats with behavior problems, personnel there should have a realistic and practical view about whether declawing keeps cats in their homes, or creates worse difficulties. A survey of major shelters and humane societies around the U.S. found many who are firmly against declawing, and some will not even adopt a cat to a person who intends to declaw. Against declawing are the ASPCA, Humane Society of the United States, Massachusetts SPCA, Denver Dumb Friends League, San Francisco SPCA, SPCA of Texas, and the Animal Welfare League (Chicago, IL, the Midwest's largest humane society). The SPCA of Los Angeles puts it in no uncertain terms: "We do NOT support, nor condone, the act of declawing cats. It is cruel, unnecessary, and inhumane." The Cat Fancier's Association, the world's largest pedigreed cat registry, opposes declawing as "without benefit to the cat" and involving "post operative discomfort or pain, and potential future behavioral or physical effects."

In 2006, the USDA--normally an extremely conservative federal agency--amended the Animal Welfare Act to prohibit declawing of exotic carnivores, saying that it "can cause considerable pain and discomfort to the animal and may result in chronic health problems." In 2007, the California Court of Appeals upheld a ban on declawing enacted by the city of West Hollywood, CA, in 2003.


How can I stop unwanted scratching behavior without declawing?
Provide an appropriate place to scratch:

Cats of any age can be trained not to scratch furniture or other objects--including people--although it is easier if the cat is trained as a kitten. Amazingly, many people do not even know that they should provide a scratching post for their cats. Because scratching is a deeply ingrained instinct in cats, if there is no appropriate spot, they will be forced to substitute furniture or other objects.

To decide on a strategy, watch where your kitten or cat likes to scratch. Does she go for a long belly-stretch on the carpet, or does she prefer vertical surfaces like the arm of the sofa or the back of a chair? Try to imitate her favorite spots with acceptable scratching options.

A vertical scratching post should be at least 28-36" high to allow the cat to stretch to his full height. Many cats prefer natural soft wood, such as a section of bark-covered log or a cedar or redwood plank, or posts covered with sisal rope, which is more popular than the carpeted surfaces of many posts. The post must be very sturdy and stable; if it wobbles, your cat is unlikely to use it. Rubbing the surface with catnip, or using a catnip concentrate spray, may enhance the attractiveness of the post. For the more adventurous types, there are cat trees in dozens of sizes and colors, with features such as hidey-holes, lounging platforms, dangling toys, and other creative amenities. Like to do it yourself? There are plans for easy-to-make posts on the Internet or in many cat books. Don't be too quick to discard a shabby, well-worn post - that's when it's the most attractive to your cat!

No space for a cat tree? There are many other options available, such as clear sticky strips to apply to the furniture, and other deterrents, as well as a multitude of smaller cat-attractive scratching posts, mats, and other distractions that will protect your possessions. Some cats like to scratch on a horizontal surface; inexpensive cardboard scratchers are popular with these cats. Be sure to replace these periodically so they provide adequate resistance to the claws.

With scratching posts, as in real estate, think "location, location, location." Start with the post near kitty's favorite scratching object, and gradually (by inches) move it to its final destination.

Make the unacceptable object undesirable:

This may be as simple as throwing on a slip cover, or draping a thick towel, fleece, or blanket over the arm of the sofa. What kitty likes about tight upholstery fabric is its resistance - this is what allows him to stretch. If he hooks his claws into material that gives, or immediately pulls off and falls on his head, he'll lose interest in no time.

Another simple (and perhaps more esthetically pleasing) plan is to use double-sided tape, such as "Sticky Paws." This product has a special adhesive that does not damage the furniture, but feels disgusting to the cat's sensitive paw pads. It may need to be replaced every month or so as dust and hair accumulate on the tape's surface, but for many cats one or two applications is enough to dissuade them permanently.

Purrfect Paw is a clear plastic protector for the corners of furniture without the stickiness of other products. A similar product is "Sofa Savers". Call for information at 972-790-6658.

Padding for the Paws:

For aggressive or unremitting scratching, replaceable soft plastic caps for the claws called "Soft Paws" are a good solution. These caps are glued onto the nail; they'll come off by themselves after a few weeks and need replacing. They come in fun colors (as well as clear) and really do the trick. While you'll probably want your vet or groomer to apply them the first time, it's not that hard to replace them at home .

It's best to never play or roughhouse with your kitten or cat using your bare hands (or even covered-up hands!). You definitely don't want her to get the idea that biting or scratching human skin or body parts is okay. And while it's fun to watch the kitten attack your wiggling toes under a blanket, when he's 15 pounds with razor-sharp, inch-long fangs, it's not nearly as amusing. Serious aggression problems require assistance from your veterinarian, or your friendly behavior consultants at Little Big Cat!

Of course, conscientious nail-trimming instructions] will keep the claws blunt and minimize the damage that kitty can do to fabrics, furniture, and fingers.

Last but not least . . . .
We know that there are a few individuals who will always declaw their cats. Their own personal convenience and the safety of their belongings is their top priority, and whether or not it causes suffering to the cat is not a significant concern. (Whether they should have a cat at all is a debate for another time!)

If you have a declawed cat, it is not too late to undo at least some of the damage. SpiritEssence now offers "Declaw Remedy" to help heal both the physical and psychological truama that occur with declaw surgery.

Fortunately, most people truly love their feline companions and want to do what's best for all concerned. If you are one of these wonderful people (and if you've read this far, we're pretty sure you are!), please think carefully about this beautiful little animal who trusts you and relies on you for her very existence. Please make the humane choice - and DO NOT DECLAW
know that there are a few individuals who will always declaw


this article reproduced with permission for www.littlebigcat.com
there are many other alternatives http://www.softpaws.com/ you also have to provide a scratching post. My cats prefer an upright model, so they can stretch out completely.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:36 PM
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63. Thanks for posting that article
I hope that some people will use the info to pass on the facts to others who choose to declaw and aren't aware of all that is involved.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:43 PM
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94. Good article. That thing that really puts me off in the end is that they wouldn't be able to HUNT.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 12:44 PM by baby_mouse
That's the bit that seems really wrong to me. How would they catch things and eat them? I'm lucky in that I live in a little house on the ground floor with catflaps letting my cats out into a very heavily gardened area next to a park and a river, and a fair bit of wildland mixed in with the city along the river and round the park. Plenty of prey. My big tux is a really good hunter and gets most of his pleasure in life from this, in the summer months he can bring in 2 or 3 mice a night. Little ginger is yet to learn to hunt, but I can tell she'll be good, she's a fierce, fiery, friendly little sprite. Hopefully tux will teach her.

I know it may seem weird but I'm always proud of my cats when they catch things and leave little presents for me. My cats are very social, vocal cats, not aloof at all.
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HERVEPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:51 PM
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27. Of course there's the issue of people who adopt cats
from a shelter, thus likely saving the cat's (or another cat's) life, but would not have done so if they couldn't declaw.

Better a dead cat or a declawed cat?

BTW, I have a cat, and never would declaw a cat of mine. I think it's terrible, but not necessarily worse than death for the cat.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:54 PM
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32. baby_mice should pray for de-clawed cats at every opportunity
just saying......


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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:54 PM
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33. ...
:rofl:
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:01 PM
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35. I get one in once in a while
:evilgrin:
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:07 PM
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52. Neither of my cats is de-clawed.
Yet somehow the mice in the house are healthy and fat.

These cats are worthless!
:rofl:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:15 PM
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55. Want to see a really worthless cat?


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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:35 PM
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62. King's dream taken to ridiculous extremes.
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 03:35 PM by Deep13
:7
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:08 AM
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84. Or the musings of the prophet Isaiah ...
of a world in which the lion will lay down with the lamb.

My dream is of a house with fat cats and no mice.

And it ain't happening.

:)
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:26 PM
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92. Actually, their incessant clawing is the reason for my username!
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 12:26 PM by baby_mouse
They rip me to shreds, the brats! I decided they must think I was a baby mouse, hence name.

But I would not take away their claws. How would they hunt and be proud in their catness?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:35 PM
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43. For those who want to declaw to keep a cat from hurting them..
Lets not forget that claws aren't the only way they can hurt you:

If they can't scratch they bite..which can be just as bad or worse...
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:38 PM
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44. not my cat. she has only 2 snaggly teeth.
:P
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:45 PM
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45. No dental plan, huh?
I think we need to push universal dental care for kitty cats in the primaries...:D
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:57 PM
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46. Just make sure if your cat likes to cling to screen doors...
don't just declaw the front paws. That never ends well.

*cling* *fall backwards* *THUMP*
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:01 PM
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48. So not right, yet so funny....
:rofl:
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:06 PM
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51. I'm speaking from experience actually.
My ex had a cat that did that and they tried declawing just the front two paws.

The cat wasn't all that bright either. She kept trying.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:59 PM
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47. Umm... I'm with you.
Declawing cats is like cutting off the tips of OUR fingers at the top knuckle. It's savage and cruel and wrong. Not to mention that it deprives them of their best weapons in case they need them.

People in the know, people who work with animals day in and day out, do NOT think NOT declawing is cruel.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:08 PM
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53. If you go that route,
please note that this is not a recommended DIY project.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:12 PM
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54. Many people get them declawed
to keep their furniture from getting shredded. I'm with you--I think it's cruel, personally. There are other ways to keep furniture from being shredded--a few rules for the cats, reinforced with a squirtgun, are all that are needed. Mine are well trained, for example, when it comes to counters and tables--they won't go on them. They know they can jump up onto my desk, and they have an old couch I left for them in the lounge that they can happily shred--as a result, they don't shred anything I want to keep.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:26 PM
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58. Meowwwwowww! Ow!
Kittie is not a grab bag. All or nothing (except, well, you know.)
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:30 PM
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59. As a former vet student, I've witnessed this barbaric procedure
close up. Makes me fucking sick still to think about it. But lets put you in the kitties place for sake of argument. You are sedated, and when you wake up someone has cut all of your fingers off at the first knuckle., (not your fingernails but much farther down your digits). Add your toes to the equation to "even things out" so to speak. You have bandages on your hands and feet and you've awoken to searing, excruciating pain, and you don't understand why. It's a bullshit practice, and had I graduated Veterinary medicine, I would've never performed the procedure myself.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:34 PM
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61. I'm sure they're ecstatic about having their scrot cut open and the contents removed. nt.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:37 PM
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64. Are vasectomies barbaric? Just askin...n/t
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:39 PM
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65. is that how they do it on animals? what a bargain...I stand corrected. nt.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:40 PM
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67. Relatively painless procedure for both cats and dogs.
But I can tell you are truly fixated on this "point" you're keep shooting for...
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:43 PM
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68. I've talked to cats that say the de-clawing is relatively painless...just itchy for a while. nt.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:39 PM
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66. No vets in our area will declaw. And the local shelters are very vocally against it.
I would never do it. Pitter-pat is an indoor cat, and if he were to ever get out or get lost, he'd only have his claws to protect himself. He doesn't scratch the furniture. We have two small water squirters and when he does something he shouldn't, we give him a coule of squirts, he hates it and the behavior is stopped. Painless for all involved and the end result is the same!
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:14 PM
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71. glad to hear it...
:thumbsup:

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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:13 PM
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70. declawing mutilates the cat's feet...
Cats have claws. If you can't live with that, then you shouldn't have cats.

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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:46 PM
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72. De-clawing is horribly cruel ...
... and I regret that we ever had it done to a couple of our cats. Never again. We just thought that is what we were supposed to do as peeps with inside cats, and had encouragement to de-claw from our vets. Now we have one older de-clawed cat (front paws) and four that are not. We have no problems with any of them with furniture, or anything like that. I seriously ache for our de-clawed cat, and wish we had known better.





More information:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/declaw.html
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:50 PM
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73. Needle nose pliers.
That's the ticket.
Only way.
:evilgrin:
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:01 AM
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81. You are bad, trof -- bad, bad, bad!!!!
Cheers -- :toast:
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greblc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:22 PM
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75. Cats lick the butter.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:21 AM
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76. A thread about declawing cats, from "baby_mouse" LOL
Sorry, this is too cute. :)
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:01 AM
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80. doh! I've been reading
and missed that! lol

:yourock:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:25 AM
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77. I'll declaw my cats the day I have my nails ripped off.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 12:25 AM by GoddessOfGuinness
It's pretty much the same thing, in my opinion. Leaving a cat defenseless is bad enough. To me, the cruelest thing is rendering a cat unable to scratch wat itches. :(

By the way, I'm an American.
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:28 AM
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87. it must be- like the scratch that you can never get
I'll never forget Marta, the tripod kitty that wound up at my shelter that I volunteer at www.angelswithpaws.net

She was the sweetest brown tabby- having been owned by a blind guy. Seems the guy and his brother wanted to move to CA, so they did- BUT THEY LEFT MARTA in their apartment- in her cage! She stayed there for about a week until the landlord came in and found her. Anyway, I went to visit with her at first, and not knowing that she only had three legs, I wondered why she was twitching in her hindquarters. Duh, she had a scratch and naturally tried to reach it. Her problem wasn't claws though, it was lack of a leg.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:26 AM
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78. Cats need their claws for self defense.
They don't need their balls or ovaries for that.

Get a spray bottle and fill it with water. Shock and awe them when they misbehave. They'll soon figure it out.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:58 AM
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79. I declawed my little kitten
One of my biggest regrets..

Then, I was 16 at the time and it wasn't really my decision.


I'd say declawing a cat is cruel.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:15 AM
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83. Thank you for this post, RedCappedBandit. I once had a cat declawed,
primarily because it was widely accepted where I lived and I didn't bother to educate myself about the procedure. It's one of my biggest regrets. :(
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:07 AM
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82. I'm confident that there are sound reasons for declawing being illegal in at least 20 nations.
Declawing is illegal, except under extreme circumstances (like a dire medical need) in:

England
Scotland
Wales
Italy
France
Germany
Austria
Switzerland
Norway
Sweden
Netherlands
Northern Ireland
Ireland
Denmark
Finland
Slovenia
Portugal
Belgium
Brazil
Australia
New Zealand
Yugoslavia
Japan
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:55 AM
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89. Once again, the US is NOT among the ranks of civilized nations...
:-(
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:50 AM
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85. Prolly only to the extent 'americans' are fiddling with the primal forces of nature on such whims...
But I say it's cruel, I wouldn't do it.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:19 AM
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86. Declawing cats is so SAD!!!!
:cry: :cry: :cry:.....

My mom made me do it to my elder cat when we were still living at her house. Now that I've got my own place, I've got another cat who will NEVER NEVER NEVER be declawed!!!!!!
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bookworm65t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:27 PM
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93. made a HUGE mistake...
... declawing my cat about eight years ago. Everyone around me said that it was the best thing to do for an indoor cat. Well I live in house that is 160 years old and is directly on a state route, so lots of dirt and small vermin come in very easily. I should have paid closer attention to the circumstances. Well it took my Eddie several months to adjust to losing her front claws, and I will not ever declaw a cat again. I wish I could make it up to her for doing this to her.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:14 PM
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95. Thank you for this. When I had a cat declawed, Googling "declawing" was not an option.
I took the word of my ex-husband, friends who'd had their cats declawed and the veterinarian (a large-animal vet in Nebraska). I will go to my grave regretting my own ignorance.

Many years later, I've been able to educate myself and CMW companions to the very well-behaved Wiley and Excellent Boy Cat Named Ginger, who by our respect for him is not declawed.and Ginger NEVER scratched a person or clawed our furniture. Since he was a kitten, he's had people play-time (he gets at least one our a day of us playing with him and his Evil Orange Silk String) and he has his special places for sharpening his claws: a rattan foot stool in my painting studio that I bought specifically for him, an affordable part-rattan carpet under Call Me Wesley's desk, the welcome mat outside the front door of our studio, and the lamb-skin on which he sleeps. His claws are his own, and I'd sooner rip out my fingernails than declaw Ginger.

Thank you for your poignant post, bookworm65t. :hug:
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:19 PM
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97. I do not believe in de-clawing a cat. I know people
who have done it to "save" their furniture, etc. The only reason that I have heard that I would accept is that a friend of mine has a child who is ill and adores cats. The problem is that a cat scratch will not heal on her child - she will just keep bleeding and bleeding. The child is confined to the bed. They got her a cat at the pound to keep her company, but declawed the cat in order to avoid the risk of scratching. That is the only time I have found it semi-okay.
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