L O S T

Jesus.

Discuss.

It's like they're dropping them out of planes or something.

Holy And who the fuck just fell out of the helecopter????? Me head hurt from whiplash, 'dis episode craaaaazy!!!

I thought maybe I would taper off this season, but man, the narrative audacity of that show. 4 new characters, each w/ a flashback. Then the Naomi/head honcho flashback. I got goosebumps twice on top of that.

Ben took a beating, eh?

And oh yeah. That can't be the plane our losties were on can it? The nose was in the jungle, right?

I feel like the rest of the originals...baffled, suspicious, confused.

I haven't had a favorite show like this that I watch so faithfully for so many seasons since, oh, I don't know, Kung Fu back when I was 13-16.

I've come a long way....

Certain aspects of tonight's episode (Ghostbuster, Dharma-bear in Tunesia) seem to confirm something supernatural, or at least sci-fi-level super-science-y. That alone goes a long way to explaining things.

That's a pretty massive cover-up, eh?

...have everything to do with that. :wow:

what's fascinating to know is that the bald guy is "out of the loop" eventually and seeking answers (he visits Hurley and asks if there are anymore left on the island and if they are alive; Hurley doesn't give him squat). Means our island guys (Oceanic survivors) have one-up on them.

Not about the island but about what had been done about the missing flight. I posed that it had been used for political purposes ( an Operation Northwood type thing). Someone went to a whole lot of trouble to sink an airplane and to what ends?????


OR they really are all dead and in purgatory but that is unlikely.

I was thinking a worm hole, an alternate reality?

...perhaps an alternate reality where people eat Apollo bars and listen to Geronimo Jackson albums? =

"Charlotte Staples Lewis" -- "C.S. Lewis" -- Clive Staples Lewis. Through the wardrobe into another world with a different passage of time -- NOT an alternate reality. OOOOOOOO

When they said her name, I knew my mind should wrap around it. Thanks for saving me some work!

figured out. I thought they really had died and were in some kind of pergatory. When they did the first few flash backs it was a kind of "beware what you wish for" kind of thing.

at least, not all of them.

Who says the future is not the past in the end? There's yesterday and there's decades ago... It could end where what we do think is the future may only be the future of the the past we are seeing, but the past of the future we have yet to see.

at least, the "Oceanic six."

I really find him compelling. He plays weird-wired-but-insecure so well

and when he appeared in the last scene of the first ep. of LOST, well, that was pretty weird!

I love Terry O'Quinn too. Locke is such a bizarre man, it's like you know lots of stuff about him, like his background etc, but he's such a different cat that I feel like I don't even know the guy at all.

I would have went with Jack though. Man of faith, Man of science. Tough call in the end. :)

"What is it?"

Now why would you send an anthropologist, a "Ghost buster", and a phsycist to snatch'n'grab Ben Linus????

making his choices based on things that have happened to him that haven't been explained to us yet. He was enveloped by the black fog, was in Jacob's cabin and heard his voice, encountered his father and had Sawyer kill him, regained the use of his legs, etc. The personal experiences he has had on the island are as real as anything Jack, the Man of Science, has encountered (unless he's nuts and is imagining it all).

Maybe Jack is operating out of faith in science that doesn't apply to the island.

I would have gone with Locke, based on Charlie's message. BTW, I think Desmond should have been the one relaying it since he was there.

hmmm. I'll have to toss that around for a little while.

his faith in science is being shaken by his experiences on the island.

Jack was actually going to shoot Locke point blank in the face.

That qualifies as unhinged for me. :scared:

I think the future glimpse of drugged out Jack plants more doubts about Island Jack's emotional stability and decision making ability.

OTOH, the "crazy" Locke is nearly always rational and even-tempered.

Locke still has a remarkable gullible streak (as shown in his relationship with his father) which now seems to have been transfered to Ben. He still believes Ben has value in spite ample proof that Ben will lie about anything and everything.

Locke also cold-bloodily murdered a woman because of....? The rescue people (including Naomi) show no sign of wanting to kill the Oceanic 815 survivors, and are apparently being manipulated themselves.

however, Ben is clearly a key to unraveling the mysteries of the island, liar or not.

As far as Naomi, we don't yet know what Locke knows. The writers have an aggravating habit of not allowing the characters to fully explain themselves to each other (or us). For instance, having Hurley explain what happened to Charlie, leaving possible doubt because he wasn't actually there. Meanwhile, Desmond, who was present for Charlie's death and actually saw the message on Charlie's hand, just stood silently in the background. Would the characters have reacted differently if Desmond had given his first hand account?

Murdering Naomi did seem out of character for Locke, just like Jack pulling the trigger with the intention to kill Locke. It's hard to know if those surprises are significant or just sloppiness on the part of the writers.

Locke is the character who everyone either loves or hates. I lean strongly toward a scientific view of things, personally, but I find Locke really fascinating. He is actually pretty grounded in his physical surroundings; exploring and using the resources of the island.

Frankly, I've also lost track of the hints regarding Naomi's true motivations. Between the ridiculous number of commercials and having to wait a week between episodes, I'm tempted to Tivo the whole season and watch it when it's over!

;)

out so he figured that the only way to stop Locke from future sabotaging is to physically stop him.

After all, Ben shot him and left him to die, too, and Locke was ready to kill Ben.

and what was the deal with the woman whose grandson's ghost was still around?

Besides the money, what else did Miles find? Drugs?

So who stayed with Jack? Kate, Sayid and Juliet?

I thought that Rose and Bernard, too, but did not see either of them during this episode.

Gosh, when Charlotte moved so quickly from Tunisia to the island I thought that she traveled through the center of the earth..

Are there are still "others?" Like that guy, Richard? who guided Ben to finally kill all the Darma group?

she'll never leave the island.

and when they started to split, and Bernard told Rose that he would follow her, she commented that she was not going to go with "that man" and I thought she was referring to Locke.

but I wonder exactly what is up either way. She wants nothing to do with Locke but she also refuses to leave the island.

Rose is a minor character anyway. Who knows.

:shrug:

Wouldn't you send Mercenaries???

and WHO sent them. Who is the guy who posed as a Oceanic lawyer at the mental ward with Hurley AND sent them on this "mission"

And, Daniel Faraday is a physicist.

The other two -- who knows!?

AHA!!

Someone posted several years ago a really long piece from a Lost blog talking all about magnets and magnetic fields.


Oh man is my wife going to find me hard to live with if THAT comes true.

BTW- my side theory about the plane crash being used for political purposes (think Operation Northwood) is looking pretty good!!!

I am sci-fi challenged... did not even watch the X-files..

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan by the U.S. Department of Defense to stage acts of simulated or real terrorism on US soil and against U.S. interests and then put the blame of these acts on Cuba in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro.

As part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative, the plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state-sponsored acts of terrorism on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Destroying an unmanned drone masquerading as a commercial aircraft supposedly full of "college students off on a holiday". This proposal was the one supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Staging a "terror campaign", including the "real or simulated" sinking of Cuban refugees:
"We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government."

Related Operation Mongoose proposals

Twelve of these proposals come from a February 2, 1962 memorandum entitled "Possible Actions to Provoke, Harass or Disrupt Cuba," written by Brig. Gen. William H. Craig and submitted to Brig. Gen. Edward Lansdale, the commander of the Operation Mongoose project.<14><5><6><7>

The memorandum outlines Operation Bingo, a plan to, in its words, "create an incident which has the appearance of an attack on U.S. facilities (GMO) in Cuba, thus providing an excuse for use of U.S. military might to overthrow the current government of Cuba."

It also includes Operation Dirty Trick, a plot to blame Castro if the 1962 Mercury manned space flight carrying John Glenn crashed, saying "The objective is to provide irrevocable proof that, should the MERCURY manned orbit flight fail, the fault lies with the Communists et al Cuba ." It continues, "This to be accomplished by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans."

I do hope that this was the last time than any government agencies tried anything like that.

No wonder there are conspiracy theorists everywhere.

I may have had sheltered life. Thanks.

did not re enter the numbers - I think - that brought down the plane in the first place, and there was a strong magnetic field when Lock - was it Lock? I don't remember - decided to ignore it, again.

And I wonder whether this is what shook the helicopter so strongly as the program started and they had to jump.

:shrug:

Wasn't walt the young kid that the others snatched off the raft?

A tall Walt is who is in the cabin? :crazy:

Walt appeared to Locke when Locke was lying in the pit of skulls after being shot by Ben!

he said it was a tall Walt? :shrug:

This is maddening - and such great TV! :D

:freak:

Walt appeared to Lock who was shot by Ben and was ready to kill himself.

I get home from school in time for the last 20 minutes.
I have never wanted Tivo so bad in my f*ing life!
This is killin' me!

can I get a collective awwwww?

I think that Ugly Betty and Grey's Anatomy are more profitable for the most important Thursday night than Lost.

Can you get a cheap VCR someplace?

it is streamng for free on abc.com

They're just fucking with your mind because they've run out of ideas IMHO.

I think they have had it planned from the beginning. Sure they might tweak the little things (Anna Lucia needs to die a little earlier because the actress was being a pain), but it is all to tightly connected to be flying by the seat of their pants. I envision what I have read about Fitzgerald writing Gatsby--rooms of cards taped to the wall with the plans for the work.

Of course, they might be jerking our chain.

Okay, did y'all get the C.S. Lewis reference at the end last night? "Charlotte Staples Lewis" (C.S, Lewis -- and Lewis' middle name was "Staples").

An apple is brought back from Narnia by a young man and young woman, and grows into a tree that comes down in a storm. That wood is made into a wardrobe which is in the house of the young man, now an elderly professor. A young girl enters the wardrobe and discovers it's a portal to another world -- NOT another dimension.

So, is the Island it's own world?

Who or what is the portal from the World We Know to the Island?

Or is the Island the Wood Between the Worlds ala "The Magician's Nephew" and is the "base camp" to many other worlds???????

The writers do NOTHING accidentally. Charlotte's name is C.S. Lewis for a reason!

Jiminiy Crickets!

I didn't get that at all last night! Now I'll be chewing on this theory for the rest of the day...

Which is why no one could leave unless they had specific directions? Which is why the Oceanic 6 (Jack in particular) had such problems finding the island again in their flash-forwards?

Nice catch, there. :hi:

I ever said to Haruka,"OOOO.... I wonder if Lanternwaste watches this?!" She just ignored me.As she did when I yelled,"Charlotte STAPLES LEWIS!!!!!"

Remember: you can't get into Narnia whenever you want... unless you're "Ben"!

through the center of the earth.

season, Jack had maps spread out all over trying to find the island.

When he and Hugo say "We have to go back" I keep wondering "How?"

That is why there is such a visceral hatred for Ben.

Also looks like Ben has gone off island at some point.

Unposed, too. I found that kind of odd.

Good to see Greg Grunberg again, with that goofy-looking mustache. :)

OOOOOOOOOO

(Files on the Dharma survivors?)

THey were all supposed to BE on the plane, but weren't!

Charlotte: Kept looking at newspapers about 815
Frank: Was supposed to be pilot
Dan: Freakout watching footage
Miles: No idea

(is your mind buckled in?)


When Mr. Daniel Faraday is watching the footage, he is crying and saying, "I don't want to go back."

a-HA a-HAAA!!!

D. Faraday does not say "back"; he just says, "I don't want to go." sorry.

The MAD TV parody on the same page is pretty good too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-YPL_e2jgHw&feature=related

Boy did he look different. The beard and the hair threw me off and then I saw those eyes. He still has those pretty steel blue eyes

The probably faked footage of the crash, and FRank's crawl up the hill and firing the flare? Very homageish.

Interesting imdb has a character that we haven't seen yet

Anthony Azizi ... Omar (2 episodes, 2008)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/fullcredits#cast

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0044318/
"Lost" .... Omar (2 episodes, 2008)
- Meet Kevin Johnson (2008) TV episode .... Omar
- The Constant (2008) TV episode .... Omar

remember early in the episode, Hurley makes a reference to the cabin and Locke says, you know about the cabin?

The Hurley back pedals and says something like, "I meant the planes cabin".

I think they want Ben because they know about or of Jacob.

However, the new people didn't count on the fact that there are other people on the island other than ben and that there were many survivors of 815.

Locke is now on a one to one basis with Jacob. That pisses off Ben. What the new folks don't know is that Ben is now irrelevant and Locke is the man they need to get.

hence that is why the bald black man wants to know who is back on the island.

Because what ever mysterious shit that is going on, it didn't stop when they got Ben.

and you could see that Charlotte was unhappy about that.

and according to something else I read -- after the ghostbuster guy did his ghostbusting when he went downstairs the pictures in the old lady's house had all changed. I have to go back and rewatch for that. In some regards Lost is in a fantastic spot right now because there's not much else on TV to watch and people have plenty of time to explore the little mysteries within the mystery and discuss. Turns out that the writers' strike made it very fortuitous for Lost to be starting as late as it did. Battlestar Galactica too! Only 2 more months. It better frakkin' be worth the wait.

Be patient and kind. I'm fragile today. :)

Okay, last week the off-island scenes are forward in time after the Oceanic 6 go back home. This week they are doing the foursome on the helicopter and the "finding" of the plane wreckage. Is that in the past before they were assembled as a team or in the future after they've done whatever it is they did on the island and the Oceanic 6 is back home?

What's with the names? I see discussion of Faraday and Lewis above. Did anyone think of a malestrum when Miles Straum's name was said? Maybe I've been to Epcot too many times. What was the helicopter pilot's name?

on the island.

But... we will find more next week, I am sure.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Confirmed_Dead this is a rundown of the whole episode so don't go there if you haven't seen it or don't want to be spoiled.

John Locke, Burke, I can't quite remember but Desmonds last name is that of a famous philosopher... literarly illusions all around

But thanks for asking.

:hi: :P :)