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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:33 PM
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An observation about "Matrix: Reloaded"
:rant:

That was the second one, right? The sequels suck so mightily that I can't tell them apart. They might actually be worse than the Star Wars prequel trilogy.

Anyway, somewhere in the middle of Matrix2 is an excruciatingly overlong fight atop an 18-wheeler on the LA Freeway. It's between Morpheus and one of those ghost-guys, and it takes longer than continental drift. To call it boring is to make it seem exciting. The tedium of the scene is made worse by the fact that the setting is so obviously CGI that there's never any greater tension than you feel when you watch a stranger play a game in an arcade.

So I was watching 1903's The Great Train Robbery on TCM tonight, and I realized that the scene in which the robbers overtake the engine, kill one of the operators, and throw him off the train, is in fact far more effective than Matrix Part Deux, even without sound and in mostly sepia tones. Additionally, the thing was actually shot on a real train, so it's considerably more exciting.

Why did Matrix: The Sequel suck so bad? And why did a film made a century earlier get it right, while the W-Brothers got it so wrong?

:shrug:
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:41 PM
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1. That's really weird, because I just happened to watch Reloaded yesterday!
The absolute WORST part of that film (and I had forgotten how bitter I was when we saw it at the theater) was the "ending" WHAT. THE. HELL!!!!

Reloaded and Revolution are a split film, and so that is part of the suckage explanation.

On a related note, I recently read that the movie of the final book in the Harry Potter series is going to be split into 2 movies as well. Good luck with that....
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:05 PM
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5. There's a thread of latter-day-spiritualism running through it
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 08:06 PM by Orrex
Beyond the long since cliche "what is reality" question explored quite interestingly in the first film.

And IMO the shallow attempt at spiritual depth contributes to the overall suckage. Ken Wilber and his whole Integral thing may be pleasing for those who find it pleasing, but for the rest of us it's kind of sappy.

Also, Matrix a Trois is only the second film in my history of film rentals that I actually returned without watching it through all the way. So bored was I that I yanked it from my DVD player and hurled the disc frisbee-style back to the store.

I've since had the misfortune of seeing it to the end.

:puke:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:09 PM
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11. I don't mind biblical themes in movies
But it was so effing heavy handed! Did you get the burning bush talking to Moses vibe at the end of three?
I like subtle symbolism, not to be clobbered over the head with it!
Much like Lucas. I think they got cocky with the unexpected success of the first and did whatever the hell they wanted figuring they would have people hooked. In other words..the last two were self-indulgent shit.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:55 PM
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19. Then there was the whole leading Neo away at the end
with his legs together and his arms splayed wide... hmm... I wonder what THAT was s'posed to remind us of... :P

That being said, I'll still watch 'em from time to time, just for fun. :)
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:06 PM
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8. Oh trust me
Splitting the last book in Harry Potter is a GOOD thing. The biggest problem with the movies have been leaving out certain key elements of the books. Seeing as there is SOOOOO much material in book 7 (the best book in the series) this is a GOOD thing to us Harry Potter Geeks!
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:26 PM
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15. You might be surprised to learn that I've read them all
What will suck will be that I'll have to pay $10 to essentially see half a movie-- ie I will leave the theater wanting to see the ending NOW. But I believe that they are going to be released within 6 months of each other, so that will help (as opposed to 2 years)
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:29 PM
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16. Really?
I should have known you'd be that kewl! That's my feeling too, that walking out at part one will be difficult. Kind of like the way I felt after finishing Book six!
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:33 PM
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18. I have to credit my kids, though. My daughter is the same age as Harry et al, and so we
all have kinda grown up on them. We read the first 3 or so aloud together as a family.
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quadriga Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:42 PM
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2. That scene was filmed in Oakland
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:02 PM
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3. Cool to know.
But does that part of the film take place on the LA Freeway? It's been a while since I saw it, and I can't remember.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:05 PM
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4. I seem to recall hearing something about them making a big section of fake highway
and then after they tore it down, they donated all the materials to some charity that helps build houses or something like that.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:08 PM
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10. Neat!
Even if I hated the film, I love stories like that. Props to the W-Brothers for a fine deed!
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:11 PM
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13. What I found interesting was that I don't recall hearing it until I got the big DVD set
and it was just a little comment buried in some of the 'making of' stuff... they didn't publicize it from what I saw, they weren't looking for gratitude. They just thought it was a good thing to do.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:05 PM
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6. dupe
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 08:05 PM by DarkTirade
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:07 PM
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9. What did you call me?
I am no dupe, I'll have you know.

A dope, perhaps. A dullard? Very likely?


But a dupe? I think not!
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:10 PM
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12. I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of your own dupidity.
:P
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:11 PM
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14. does didiot work better for you?
;-)
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:30 PM
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17. I think that he meant to call you duplicitous but I could be wrong or mistaken
I am entertaining myself with tautologies today... :D
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:57 PM
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20. hey..thats tatatologies!
:)
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:59 PM
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22. That is this:



:hi:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:06 PM
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7. Content vs context; the Matrix sequels were pure fantasy
So was the first, but that one had a shred of content by comparison... :D
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:58 PM
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21. My idea for the Matrix sequels
would have been to explore the possibility that they are still inside a Matrix. That Zion and the Nebakanezer were just fictions created by the machines to keep the more restless minds occupied.

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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:57 PM
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23. That's where I thought they were headed
what with that "magic powers outside the Matrix" thing. That might have been interesting. Fortunately I've forgot most of the sequels.
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