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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 06:55 PM
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I think the starbucks "The way I see it" quotes are making society even dumber
They are completely the furthest thing from profound as you can get. But, they're billed as though they are something plato wrote. I just know all the fuckers with their laptops and chin pubes will begin thinking that's what true philosophy is and start mimicking it. Oh well, it'll just be more people for me to make fun of at parties.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:06 PM
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1. The way I see it
Edited on Mon May-12-08 07:06 PM by JVS
"A Culture is born in the moment when a great soul awakens out of the proto-spirituality of ever-childish humanity, and detaches itself, a form from the formless, a bounded and mortal thing from the boundless and enduring. It blooms on the soil of an exactly-definable landscape, to which plant-wise it remains bound. It dies when the soul has actualized the full sum of its possibilities in the shape of peoples, languages, dogmas, arts, states, sciences, and reverts into the proto-soul. But its living existence, that sequence of great epochs which define and display the stages of fulfillment, is an inner passionate struggle to maintain the Idea against the powers of Chaos without and the unconscious muttering deep-down within. It is not only the artist who struggles against the resistance of the material and the stifling of the idea within him. Every Culture stands in a deeply-symbolical, almost in a mystical, relation to the Extended, the space, in which and through which it strives to actualize itself. The aim once attained -- the idea, the entire content of inner possibilities, fulfilled and made externally actual -- the Culture suddenly hardens, it mortifies, its blood congeals, its force breaks down, and it becomes Civilization, the thing which we feel and understand in the words Egyptianism, Byzantinism, Mandarinism. As such they may, like a worn-out giant of the primeval forest, thrust their decaying branches towards the sky for hundreds or thousands of years, as we see in China, in India, in the Islamic world. It was thus that the Classical Civilization rose gigantic, in the Imperial age, with a false semblance of youth and strength and fullness, and robbed the young Arabian Culture of the East of light and air.

This -- the inward and outward fulfillment, the finality, that awaits every living Culture -- is the purport of all the historic “declines,” amongst them that decline of the Classical world which we know so well and fully, and another decline, entirely comparable to it in course and duration, which will occupy the first centuries of the coming millennium but is heralded already and sensible in and around us today -- the decline of the West. Every Culture passes through the age-phases of the individual man. Each has its childhood, youth, manhood and old age....

It is a young and trembling soul, heavy with misgivings, that reveals itself in the morning of Romanesque and Gothic. It fills the Faustian landscape from the Provence of the troubadours to the Hildesheim cathedral of Bishop Bernward. The spring wind blows over it. "In the works of the old-German architecture," says Goethe, "one sees the blossoming of an extraordinary state. Anyone immediately confronted with such a blossoming can do no more than wonder; but one who can see into the secret inner life of the plant and its rain of forces, who can observe how the bud expands, little by little, sees the thing with quite other eyes and knows what he is seeing." Childhood speaks to us also -- and in the same tones -- out of early-Homeric Doric, out of early-Christian (which is really early-Arabian) art and out of the works of the Old Kingdom in Egypt that began with the Fourth Dynasty. There a mythic world-consciousness is fighting like a harassed debtor against all the dark and daemonic in itself and in Nature, while slowly ripening itself for the pure, day-bright expression of the existence that it will at last achieve and know.

The more nearly a Culture approaches the noon culmination of its being, the more virile, austere, controlled, intense the form-language it has secured for itself, the more assured its sense of its own power, the clearer its lineaments. In the spring all this had still been dim and confused, tentative, filled with childish yearning and fears -- witness the ornament of Romanesque-Gothic church porches of Saxony and southern France, the early-Christian catacombs, the Dipylon vases.

But there is now the full consciousness of ripened creative power that we see in the time of the early Middle Kingdom of Egypt, in the Athens of the Pisistratidae, in the age of Justinian, in that of the Counter-Reformation, and we find every individual trait of expression deliberate, strict, measured, marvelous in its ease and self-confidence. And we find, too, that everywhere, at moments, the coming fulfillment suggested itself in such moments were created the head of Amenemhet III (the so-called "Hyksos Sphinx" of Tanis), the domes of Hagia Sophia, the paintings of Titian. Still later, tender to the point of fragility, fragrant with the sweetness of late October days, come the Cnidian Aphrodite and the Hall of the Maidens in the Erechtheum, the arabesques on Saracen horseshoe-arches, the Zwinger of Dresden, Watteau, Mozart.

At last, in the gray dawn of Civilization the fire in the Soul dies down. The dwindling powers rise to one more, half-successful, effort of creation, and produce the Classicism that is common to all dying Cultures. The soul thinks once again, and in Romanticism looks back piteously to its childhood; then finally, weary, reluctant, cold, it loses its desire to be, and, as in Imperial Rome, wishes itself out of the overlong daylight and back in the darkness of protomysticism in the womb of the mother in the grave. The spell of a "second religiousness" comes upon it, and Late-Classical man turns to the practice of the cults of Mithras, of Isis, of the Sun -- those very cults into which a soul just born in the East has been pouring a new wine of dreams and fears and loneliness.

In the midst of the land lie the old world-cities, empty receptacles of an extinguished soul, in which a history-less mankind slowly nests itself.... Only with the end of grand History does holy, still Being reappear. It is a drama noble in its aimlessness, noble and aimless as the course of the stars, the rotation of the earth, and alternance of land and sea, of ice and virgin forest upon its face. We may marvel at it or we may lament it -- but so it is." -- Oswald Spengler, Untergang des Abendlandes

That will only fit on a Venti
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:17 PM
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2. The best part is, no one realizes he was joking.
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khashka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:27 PM
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3. Don't be so bitchy
I'm one of those fuckers with a laptop and "chin pubes" and I find starbucks itself an offence against society and intelligence. And did you ever actually read Plato? Total fascist motherfucker.

Khash.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:19 PM
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4. Just because you're one of the little peons that should just be content with your lot in life
is no reason to be a hateful little queen. :P
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khashka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:38 AM
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15. I'll be a hateful little queen if I wanna be!
It was Plato's censorship thing that got to me. And my philosophy prof AGREED. I was stunned. A grown man needs someone else to decide what he can see or read? I don't think so!


Khash.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:35 PM
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21. Play-Doh comes in four colors
but Plato only comes in one color: Greek.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:22 PM
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5. who's dumber: Dunkin Donuts Crowd or Starbucks Crowd?
I wish they still had Celebrity Deathmatch. The way I see it, that would solve the matter. :P
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:25 PM
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6. My money is Starbucks
Most DD people are probably smart enought to not care where they get their coffee.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 05:41 AM
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16. Also not to pay $6 for it..
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:44 PM
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7. Starbucks crowd
The Dunkin Donuts crowd is at least smart enough to know that Dunkin Donuts coffee is a lot better than Starbucks coffee. The secret is not burning the beans during roasting, and not burning the coffee during brewing!! Imagine that.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:52 PM
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8. Must depend on where you are.
Last cup of Dunkin Donuts coffee I had tasted worse than Starbucks.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:00 PM
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9. that's too bad
I may have had starbucks since the last incident that I clearly remember, but I doubt it - I took one or two sips from the cup and threw it in the trash - it was undrinkable. I've never had that problem with DD coffee, which I think is usually really good (as far as fast food coffee goes).
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:29 PM
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11. Yeah, but they're owned by Mitt Romney and Papa Bush.
They're evil. DD was purchased by Bain Capital in partnership with the Carlyle Group and Thomas H. Lee Partnerships in late 2005. Those names sound familiar? They're three of the largest equity firms in the world and they're all very-closely tied to the GOP and RNC.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:36 PM
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12. I didn't know that
I also probably haven't been to a DD since 2005. *sigh* Now I'll have to stop going entirely.... I'm not really a fan of sweet things, but when I do eat doughnuts, I like the DD ones the best - way better than krispy kreme (k), no matter how much they were hyped.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:53 PM
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13. I wouldn't actually worry too much about it.
Edited on Mon May-12-08 11:55 PM by Chan790
They're all very-diversified firms with huge holdings in commodities brokerage. Basically, every time you buy or sell almost anything (food commodities (wheat, soy, dairy, meat, oranges, corn, etc.) particularly, oil as well) you're making them richer...where you buy a cup of coffee is the least of concerns even to them. They're going to make money even if you went to Tim Hortons, Starbucks, or Peets...because they're the middlemen in virtually every transaction between farmer and end consumer. A dairy might pay $0.50 to the farmer for a gallon of milk, you pay $3.50 in the supermarket...at least $1 of the $3 difference is going to equity firms.

They get rich off doing nothing other than being the guys in the middle jacking up the prices.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:08 AM
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14. yeah, tell me about it
I try to buy as little as possible, because.... well... for a lot of reasons. My grandparents were dairy farmers, so I know all about the middlemen jacking up prices. A few years ago (I'd guess 2002-ish), before my grandma died, I remember her telling me that they were selling milk for the same about of money as they had been in the 60's, not adjusted for inflation - actual dollar amounts. I also remember once hearing an Iowa farmer debate some globalization asshole on the BBC. The farmer said (and I have no reason to think he was lying), that if farmers were paid double what they are for wheat, the price of a loaf of bread would only go up $.08 a loaf - that's how much of what you're paying for bread actually goes into the grain in it. That's also largely why I think blaming biofuels for food shortages is bullshit. Whether it's food or fuel, what we the consumer pay for it has very little to do with what the farmers get paid for their products and labor.

I can be a real zealot about not going to businesses for political reasons though. I will never buy anything from a Walmart, and I haven't bought anything at a target since I learned that they let their pharmacists decide what types of birth control they'll sell. I wouldn't go to Meijer for about year, because they have shady business practices and are run by idiots, though I relented because they're unionized, which I figure is something worth supporting.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:37 AM
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20. In korea, it was the only place I could get a decent coffee
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:19 PM
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10. It's not burnt...it's roasted to a perfect flavor profile...
I mean clearly the target audience is lumberjacks and crab fishermen. It's not our fault you peons doing less-manly jobs can't handle your coffee. :P

(Actually, I know what you're saying. As a Coffee Master for the 'bux, I've been having this fight for ages. We fixed these problems, both of them, in late March. Have you tried the Pike Place Roast yet? Not burnt at all, brewed fresh every 30 minutes.)

Starbucks has the smarter employees...for example, me.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:32 AM
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17. You should send that rant to Starbucks
Ask them to put it on a cup.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:07 AM
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18. Anyone besides me prefer McDonald's coffee?
We swear buy it. It costs very little (just a buck, as opposed to 3-5 bucks at SB), and it doesn't taste extremely burnt-- unlike Starbucks coffee. I haven't tried out DD coffee yet.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:37 AM
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19. Actually, a couple years ago my co-worker tipped me on that
He was like, "Dude, I swear McDonalds coffee is awesome" so, I tried it and drink it all the time now, it's actually pretty good stuff.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:37 PM
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23. I make my own coffee.
Double-strength with vanilla soymilk. :9
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:17 PM
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25. it's also free early in the morning
hell yeah, I like McD's coffee. They won some national blind taste test recently where they beat Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:36 PM
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22. My sig line should be on a starbucks cup.
It would blow those fuckers' minds.
:rofl:
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:44 PM
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24. You obviously get invited to different parties than I do
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