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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:41 AM
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Baby Miraculously Survives Abortion, Expected to Live 'Normal' Life
A mother who decided to abort her son because he may have inherited a life-threatening kidney condition is overjoyed that he survived the procedure.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,363434,00.html
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:44 AM
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1. Interesting but...
I expect this thread to possibly get ugly. :hide:
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zingaro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:48 AM
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2. Yeah. I had a point.
Wrote it up. Edited. Edited again. Edited one more time and said "no right way to say that" and backed out. :rofl:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:49 AM
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3. My dear Roon...
How fortunate that this story has a happy ending...

I'm happy for them...

:hi:
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:56 AM
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4. Yet, it was a 'miracle'
Dr. Manny Alvarez, managing health editor for FOXNews.com, said Percival's situation is actually quite common.



Thy headlineists shalt pay heed to thine own consultants. :eyes:



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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:13 AM
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8. Common miracles
we haven't had those since ...

Hell, I don't think Yeshua existed any more than Mithra or Zoroaster did.





You're right, OR, no miracles here.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:35 AM
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10. The word 'miracle' gets bandied about far too much
especially in a profession that's supposed to be known for objectivity and for reporting only that which is known. But our news media rarely miss an opportunity for tacit (at least) acknowledgement that a Judeo-Christian god exists and has influence on all life.

This one stands out, though, since Faux quotes its own "expert" as saying this is actually common. We learn in Journalism 101 that headlines should agree with the stories below them.



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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:42 AM
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15. YES!
Several headlines today are the exact opposite of the story. I'm wondering if they've discovered that it's OK to print the news as long as you spin the headline, apparently read past the bold print.

I remember the print media requirement of "fitting" your headline (doubt that's necessary anymore) and the abused meaning because of it. These headlines just defy the actual meaning of the story.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:50 AM
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18. Not sure if you mean 'fitting' the hed spec (the space)
or the context, but the reason many heds don't go with the story is the rush to be "first," which happens more and more since the advent of online journalism. Too often, copy editors (or, more frequently these days, web-graphics people with no journalism background) read only the first couple of grafs of a story and write the hed based on that. It's a dangerous practice.



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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:01 PM
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21. Oh! thanks for that
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 12:04 PM by Dogtown
information. It's been a long time since freshman journalism. I meant actually finding a headline that could be fitted into the alloted space. A balance of type face, point size, and sometimes a 3rd compromise, actual meaning.

Since there was no "spellcheck", they had to actually proofread everything, so the meaning was more often garbled by squeezing the message down.

I've ben gen-gapped, nodowt!

:blush:

EDIT: extra embarrassing, I forgot to proof!

:blush:
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:39 PM
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29. Spell check is, or should be, just the first test
Whenever a reporter said to me "I spell-checked it," I'd just look away and roll my eyes. I'm gonna run spell check almost without thinking before I even start to read the story. Reporters should always read their stuff before they file it.

When I was a sportswriter, I had one editor who'd look at every hed on a galley (this was in 1995-96; we were still doing paste-up) and tap each word in it with his blue pen as he read it out loud five times: "Catz beat Aptos in OT; Catz beat Aptos in OT; Catz beat Aptos in OT; Catz beat Aptos in OT; Catz beat Aptos in OT."

It was annoying, but he never missed anything. :)

Anyway, hed specs in print can be a mofo. If you've got a 36-2-2 or whatever, you've gotta make the words fit it; there's no leeway. And, often, it just ain't that easy. That's why you see so many three-letter verbs and other jargon-ish words like "Supes eye tax hike." (I hate "eye" as a verb, but whaya gonna do with two columns?)



Uh... I didn't mean for this to turn into a journalism lesson. :blush:



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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:58 PM
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31. Roon, your thread is now unjacked!
Thanks, OP. Civil discussion, wow!
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Mugu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:21 PM
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34. Don't know what newspapers these come from or if they're even real.
Top Headlines of 1998

Include Your Children When Baking Cookies

Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Experts Say

Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers

Drunks Get Nine Months in Violin Case

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Kids Make Nutritious Snacks

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Typhoon Rips through Cemetery; Hundreds Dead
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:19 PM
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36. They're from American Journalism Review
At least, that's where I first saw them eons ago.



And, yeah — they're real. AJR gets tons of stuff like that in its "Take 2" column. It doesn't have to make 'em up. :)



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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:48 PM
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38. Thank you for that Friday evening laugh!
:7
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:48 AM
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16. but an accurate headline would not be sensational
:eyes:

the whole piece is sloppy
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:52 AM
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19. As pointed out below
it's Faux Journalism.



Or, faux journalism. They're interchangeable; caps optional.



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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:02 AM
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5. oh boy....
:popcorn:
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:08 AM
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7. Move
over. :popcorn:
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:03 AM
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6. Wow!
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:22 AM
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9. wait a tick...
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 11:23 AM by kagehime
"a short time after the abortion, Percival felt a fluttering in her stomach. She went to the doctor for a scan and discovered she was 19 weeks pregnant."

she had the abortion at 8 weeks and when she discovered she was still pregnant, she was at 19 weeks. that's 11 weeks after the abortion...nearly 3 months. that's not a short time. then the doctors say it's rare, but the faux news health editor says it's common. but we don't even know if her doctors or the hospital said that, there is no corroboration.

this story smells
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:36 AM
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11. Good catch!
You oughta be an editor. :thumbsup:



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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:38 AM
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13. But it was on fox
It HAS to be true.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:49 AM
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17. whoops, my bad
i forgot about that ;)
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:37 AM
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12. Technically then it wasn't an abortion
No?
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:54 AM
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20. Another good catch
We got a room fulla editors here. :thumbsup:


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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:29 PM
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33. Don't tell that to the anti-choice nut jobs - they'll make her a Saint by the time this story dies..
if it dies
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:40 AM
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14. Here's my take on that story:
On a spiritual level, that baby REALLY wanted to come in and REALLY wanted those parents.

The parents get to move through their own emotional and spiritual process of expanding their hearts and welcoming another member of their family.

Fascinating story and, to me, very uplifting.

We are ALL connected....regardless of whatever we think of such divisive issues as abortion.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:43 PM
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30. All of that may be true, but the headline is wrong on several levels
as witnessed by Oedi and johnnie and others.

I am happy that the parents are content with this turn of events and hope for the best for the whole family.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:02 PM
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22. it was god's will
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:04 PM
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23. The Aristocrats!
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:11 PM
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25. ROFL!
I salute you!
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LucyParsons Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:09 PM
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24. It's not a miracle, it's a statistically unlikely turn of events that is wholly explainable.
And does not involve anything supernatural.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:11 PM
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26. Party pooper
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LucyParsons Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:24 PM
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27. Haha
:hi:

Just because something makes you "feel good" doesn't make it true.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:29 PM
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28. Wow. A medical procedure failed. When does that ever happen?
:sarcasm:

Seriously, though, It's good the mother is pleased with the outcome.
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khashka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:26 PM
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32. Sounds like propaganda to me
The numbers don't add up and early abortion is just a D&C (pretty basic).

I guess she and the doctor might have fucked up, but this story doesn't smell right.

Khash.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 03:21 PM
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35. Sheer conjecture: Mom may have been pregnant with twins
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 03:22 PM by KamaAina
and only one fetus was aborted.

Historical context: Early in 19*cough*cough*, KaMakuahineOKamaAina (or "Mom" for short) apparently miscarried. I say "apparently" because, after the doctors told her "It's okay, Mrs. KamaAina, you can have plenty of other children", it was determined that she was still pregnant -- ultimately, much to the chagrin of many Loungers!

edit: grammar :dunce:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:30 PM
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37. OMG YOU KILLED YOUR BROTHER!!11!!!!!111!!!
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:31 PM
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40. Naah! You must be thinking of McCain.
Remember his brother, McAbel?

And how do you know I didn't kill my SISTER, smarty-pants? :P
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:34 PM
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42. So the Garden of Eden was in Scotland.
No wonder men there have this strange urge to wear nothing under their kilts.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:33 PM
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41. Now you know why I'm so staunchly pro-choice.
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 09:33 PM by KamaAina
If this "life begins at conception" stuff ever catches on, I'm goin' down! :scared:

:sarcasm:

edit: quotes
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:11 PM
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39. can someone answer a question for? When you get stuff removed from your body isn't it generally
sent to a lab to be looked at? Wouldn't someone at the lab have noticed there wasn't anything there unless maybe she was pregnant with twins? Please and thank you.
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