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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:06 PM
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There seriously is a rant about the fact that Batman is a fascist in GD
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:09 PM
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1. Tell them Wile E Coyote is the Anti-Christ.
Heard that one on an episode of Cheers. Laughed my ass off!
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 04:12 AM
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29. oops... deleted
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 04:16 AM by oktoberain
Oktoberain would kill me for being a comic geek on her account...
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Rhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 04:18 AM
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30. Nope... Wile E. Coyote is a resurrected Christ figure
Didn't you ever read "Animal Man"?

From the article at "MoviePoopShoot" (you can see the rest of the illustrations here, halfway down the page: http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/comics101/34.html )
This kind of Rod Serling-style twist ending was commonplace on Morrison’s ANIMAL MAN, which alternated between single-issue stories with well-crafted codas and longer, cliffhanger-style continued stories that moved forward the greater narrative. All of which kicked off in ANIMAL MAN #5, with “The Coyote Gospel.”

As the story opens, we see a strange wolflike creature run over by an 18-wheeler, then mysteriously, painfully regenerate and return to its feet.

As the creature is tormented by its continual deaths and excruciating resurrections, the reader starts to get it: It’s Wile E. Coyote. A passing Buddy notices the fracas between the creature and his attacker, and stops to check it out, where he’s given a document by the creature: The Gospel According to Crafty. Illustrated in a Looney Tunes style, the gospel tells of Crafty tiring of the continuous cycle of cartoon violence on his world, and offering to “bear any punishment that will bring peace to the world.” Crafty’s cartoonist Creator exiles Crafty to the world above, the “real world,” where he is made to suffer, in exchange for the peace of his own world.

Unfortunately, Buddy can’t read the scroll, and just then Crafty is downed by a bullet through the heart. In the final panels, Buddy stands confused by the dying Crafty, as the camera pulls back to reveal Crafty on the crossroads, crucified for his world’s sins, as his “Creator” uses a paintbrush to add the finishing touches to his suffering.

There’s a lot going on in this issue. The realistic approach to Crafty’s regeneration is wrenching, and makes it difficult to enjoy a Roadrunner cartoon for awhile afterward. We also have the first of many adventures for Buddy where he doesn’t quite know what’s going on, and feels like a bystander in his own life. The notion of Wile E. Coyote as a Christ figure is a startling one, and it plays directly into what would become the theme of the entire series: the tyranny of creation, as writers torment their fictional characters for our amusement, just as Crafty is tormented by his Creator, and as Buddy will eventually discover, just as he is tormented for ours.

And all of this comes under a stunning cover by Brian Bolland, who provided covers for the entire run, and who did a remarkable job of encapsulating not just the narrative of the story, but also the mood, in a single image.


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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:11 PM
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2. I saw the title and hid the thread
Mostly I just don't want to read anything about the movie before I see it. It looks amazing.

MPK
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:20 PM
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3. You are spending money on a movie?
How dare you! Don't you know there are better things to spend your money on?:sarcasm:
Yes there is a thread in GD about THAT to...THe faux outrage in GD is in full flight tonight.
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lizerdbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:07 PM
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12. Why did you make me go look?
99% of what I see is on netflix because movies are more expensive and most movies I'm not really interested enough to spend more money on. But I don't give a rats ass if anyone else wants to see a movie in a theater every damn day. It's their money!

That OP makes me want to go post about having really expensive things that I couldn't afford anyway. :rofl:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:35 PM
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19. I know!
:cry:

Guy, people will get worked up about *anything*. Sometimes I wonder if there are "internet anthropologists" who could come in and observe the patterns of discourse around web forums. I mostly lurk here but it's interesting to see things be quiet for awhile and then "to the barricades!!".

Christian Bale is a worthy cause *dammit*! </drool>

MPK

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:35 PM
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4. How does the fact that it's a comic book and a movie make it unworthy of discussion or analysis?
Movies (and even comic books) do, after all, impact the culture ...
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:37 PM
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6. Maus, Watchmen...
And I'm NOT becoming embroiled in the faux outrage.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:00 PM
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9. That isn't the problem
It's the "You can go back to sleep now." No one likes being talked down to.

The moral ambiguity and critical flaws of mythic heroes always makes for an interesting discussion, but the poster's contempt for others just guarantees a flamer which of course may have been the intent.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:16 PM
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16. I was only responding to
the apparent dismissal of comic books and movies as matters of such discussion in this thread and in some of the responses in that other thread. The content of the analysis in the other OP (which I disagree with) and its tone (which I agree seemed condescending) are another issue entirely :) :hi:
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:28 PM
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18. Understand and my apologies
Every mythic hero started with one person telling a story. Comics and film are our way of telling the stories. The medium is secondary to the quality of the tale.
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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:16 AM
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23. I am not dismissing comic books at all
My thing is that too much is being read into it, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:36 PM
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5. I'll tell you a little secret...
... GD is full of self-righteous jack-asses.

The fascist thread is bad, but the one bitching about people spending money to watch a movie instead of something more altruistic was retarded.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:40 PM
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7. Wow. Almost makes me long for the days of GD-P when
the insanity tended to stay put.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:41 PM
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8. People are going to give $100m to a fascist!!!1!!
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:03 PM
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10. I think that could be a really worthwhile and interesting discussion.
Now whether that could ever happen in the General Discussion forum is a whole other matter.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:06 PM
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11. then they're really not going to like the fact
that Batman is now more popular than the Godfather
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:09 PM
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13. Batman was never the same after Adam West removed his cape and codpiece the very last time.
:(
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:15 PM
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14. I always thought Batman was a socialist.
:shrug:
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galledgoblin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:49 PM
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20. he'd vote democratic
Iron Man, on the other hand....
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:04 AM
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25. Social democrat if you will
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:30 AM
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27. No, that was Robin Hood, and Jesus. nt
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littlebit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:15 PM
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15. Some of the people on here crack me up.
It's a movie.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:34 AM
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28. I think it has alread become more than that.
It's a social expression, it's an event, it's a rare moment in modern culture that unites us all in a common experience and invites us to cross ideological boundaries to join in a discusion of our values, our ethics, and our morality.

Which means people in GD should leave it alone.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:21 PM
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17. This reminds me when Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street were...
labeled by some nutty religious group as being homosexuals.

The Children's Television Workshop actually wrote a letter to the editor saying, "Bert and Ernie are not gay. Bert and Ernie are puppets."
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:49 PM
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21. The OP lives in my parents' neighborhood...
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:56 PM
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22. Are Batman and Robin a couple?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:25 AM
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24. Batman is a fascist but Joker is cool.
I guess I just don't see it. But I'm one of the ignorant that wasted 12.00 to see it on Friday so meh. :shrug:
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TieDyedDad Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:14 AM
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26. my favorite cartoon hero
is Hong Kong Phooey. What does that make me?

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The Animator Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 05:37 AM
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31. A Buddhist
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 07:12 AM
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32. I refuse to even click on a thread with that kind of subject heading nt
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